Trial Discussion Thread #23 - 14.04.11, Day 21

[Gryffindor]

Whose jeans are outside then?

 

[Gbtaketwo]

N: One big problem, the denim's lying on the duvet

O: I don't see how that's a problem, if everything in the room was moved..I don't see that's a problem...

Viper said this yesterday and I agree . Nel is like Columbo .
I take my hat off to him !
Or as some on Facebook say .... I salute you sir !!

 

[zwiebel]

N: If Mr R wants to deal with this on rexam he can..

R: You can't say it's on top...it SEEMS to be on top...let's get a proper photo...photo deception

 

[AlexUK]

Ha...I'd almost forgotten Roux was there!

 

[Trooper]

Nel. the thing is if that duvet is there, your version cannot be true. the police must have shifted it??

we talked about this..

nel. there is one problem. that denim is lying on the duvet..


Oscar. .I don't see how that is a problem. I don't see that..

Nel. the denim is lying on top of a portion of the duvet.. you say that isn't a problem. it

Oscar.. if everything else is moved..

nel. you say, the police picked it up and threw it somewhere else..

Oscar. well. they threw a lot of things around...

nel. but why. why would they do that??

Oscar. they threw the cricket bat around, the gun, the curtains..

nel. so. a policeman must have opened the curtains wider, switched the lights on, put the duvet on the floor, and ENSURED they put the denims on the duvet.. correct??
and here we are a year later . no one knew what you did with the jeans.. but the police did this by design?

roux. objection.. photo perspective,s, etc. he is unhappy with the perspectives..

nel milady we dealt with that with the bat.. but what the accused agreed to is that denim is on the duvet..

Roux. we can say that. but IS it on top?? lets blow it up. it SEEMS to be on top. .

Judge.. you want it blown up?

Roux. its unfair to sayit was on top there is no evidence it was on top

Nel. it isn't an inadmissible question. m roux can take it up later.

Judge.. I am rather doubtful. can you not blow it up.. and mind your language ,mr Nel.. you don't call a witness a liar..

Nel. oo..

Roux we'll blow it up, lets have an adjournment..

 

[zwiebel]

Nel pleads to be allowed to carry on but judge v doubtful and rebukes someone for calling the witness a liar? Was it Nel? I thought I heard her say Roux.

Adjourned.

 

[Gbtaketwo]

Rebecca Davis@becsplanb We're shown a pic of what OP says are Reeva's jeans on floor. Reeva's mom whispers to cousin that they look very big to be Reeva's jeans

http://www.channel4.com/news/pistorius-trial-murder-watch-live-video

I thought the same . We all know where some of Reeva's jeans are but not how they got there....yet .

 

[zwiebel]

Adjourned to get a blow up of the jeans, not tea, I think.

 

[zwiebel]

I thought the same . We all know where some of Reeva's jeans are but not how they got there....yet .

If they were another woman's jeans, that could sure have caused a fight.

ETA: Reeva was doing washing at his house that day. Wonder if she found them in the washing machine?

 

[graceholl]

Alex Crawford ‏@AlexCrawfordSky 1m
#OscarPistorius Judge asking Ne to mind his language. 'you dont call a witness a liar while he is in witness box" 'Oh", says Nel

Alex Crawford ‏@AlexCrawfordSky 2m
#OscarPistorius Its taken the Judge a while to caution Nel about that. He seems to have called him a liar repetitively during cross exam

https://twitter.com/AlexCrawfordSky

 

[MeeBee]

Hum, I've wondered about that. Apparently, you are not allowed to call the witness a 'liar.' But does that also extend to the accusation, "you're lying"?

 

[Gryffindor]

Adjourned to get a blow up of the jeans, not tea, I think.

Both. Since tea break was 5 mins away, they're doing both simultaneously now.

 

[G.bng]

It seems Uncle Arnold made a statement to the press about OP's father's gun ownership comments.

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Henke-Pistorius-comments-unapproved-20130305

Henke made the comments to the Telegraph and I posted about them here a week or so ago but had my comment removed because I said no wonder the OP clan had distanced themselves from his comments because they sounded to me what the ANC publicly called Henke's comments a few days later, i.e. r****t, blaming the ANC for the high crime rate and not protecting white SA's from it, or something to that effect. FWIW, imo SA'a high crime rate has more to do with having the highest disparity in income levels in the world which is unsurprisingly one sided on what some would call the still privileged white despite the fall of apartheid. A privilege Mandela criticised the ANC for allowing to continue just before he retired. (Hope I have been equanimous or neutral enough to not offend anyone or the mods so as they have to remove it.)

 

[shane13]

Nel pleads to be allowed to carry on but judge v doubtful and rebukes someone for calling the witness a liar? Was it Nel? I thought I heard her say Roux.

Adjourned.

No she rebuked Nel for calling OP a liar. While in the witness box she added.

 

[Gryffindor]

Hum, I've wondered about that. Apparently, you are not allowed to call the witness a 'liar.' But does that also extend to the accusation, "you're lying"?

Yes, Nel's told Oscar quite VEHEMENTLY on NUMEROUS occasions he's lying. :O

 

[katydid23]

Zweib,

My Lady was admonishing Nel for calling OP a liar while he was in the box.

 

[Gbtaketwo]

If they were another woman's jeans, that could sure have caused a fight.

ETA: Reeva was doing washing at his house that day. Wonder if she found them in the washing machine?

Good point
I did wonder that too at some point but she had stayed the night before so you would have expected the argument to be the night before .........
Unless of course she had just found them that day in the laundry .. Mmmmmm

 

[BritsKate]

No she rebuked Nel for calling OP a liar. While in the witness box she added.

Right. Reporters were pretty gobsmacked by it too since he's been doing it for days and this is the first mention.

I feel bad for both attorneys when Masipa chides them. I want to give them an ice lolly to make them feel better or something. Strange, I know.

 

[MeeBee]

Yes, Nel's told Oscar quite VEHEMENTLY on NUMEROUS occasions he's lying. :O

So, he can't call him a liar, but can he say "you're lying"? I guess it's the same.

 

[jay-jay]

That is what i was wondering. But since the 'window sliding open' element of his story was only produced during this trial,i wonder whether the police would even have thought to dust for prints over a year ago........

I'm just assuming they didn't bother fingerprinting anything as both OP's and Reeva's fingerprints would have been all over the house anyway, just from general day to day living there .. it wouldn't have proved anything one way or the other if they had got fingerprints from the window or the toilet cubicle door, etc.