Trial Discussion Thread #25 - 14.04.14, Day 22

[minor4th]

I think I heard Nel mention the blood spatter is thought to be from Reeva's hair as she was carried out of the bedroom to the stairs?

Either the bedroom is very small though, or I can't see why OP would have been carrying her right past the bottom of the bed like that, from the bathroom? Surely he'd have been much closer to the bedroom door?

Yeah, I don't think Nel's theory makes any sense

 

[Val1]

So supposedly the blood splatter on the carpet and duvet, was splatter from OP holding Reeva? But why would he carry her into the room, rather than out the door to the right, i think?

If her heart was still beating as he carried her around the corner to go through the bedroom door, the spurt across the watch box and subsequent splatter onto the rug and duvet on the rug, but not on the bed, makes sense.

 

[shane13]

He was probably yelling for Reeva to " get the ****** out of my house* when she was locked in the bathroom

I have considered this possibility too.
That if his BH affiavit is mostlly lies, they might contain elements of truth.

 

[asanque]

I'm reading juror13 and just again considering the absurdity of an 'intruder' hearing OP's shouts and running to hide in a bathroom toilet with no exit (yet slamming the door to indicate they are in there).

 

[Gbtaketwo]

Like how a neighbour standing on their balcony could have seen OP, even on his stumps, through his bath room window... especially if he was closer to the sinks than the window?

Definitely .
Sometimes I have wondered if he did have his legs on the whole time and was shooting from the hip and crouching down a bit . Maybe that is where Nel is going ,he wanted it on record about him crouching .
If the argument had started downstairs and ended upstairs I would have thought he would still have them on . In Op's situation I would only ever be seen without them in bed .

 

[Viper]

I put it to you that OP is fighting for his life.


Moo

BIB OP is losing the fight.

 

[sleuth-d-]

I think Nel's trying to say that as there was spatter on the carpet, then it must mean the duvet was on the floor too as there was spatter on that. OP is saying the duvet spatter could have came from him sitting on the bed but I didn't catch what else he was saying.

E.T.A OP says it was from when he went to get his phones.

i was surprised op agreed that what was being pointed out, was blood spatter on the carpet - the marks were so faint. and none of the marks were given 'recorded numbers'

showed his resistance was breaking down. imo

 

[jassy writer]

As far as I understand it about the blood spatter, its presence there cannot be doubted as it is over the duvet and the carpet. So for some reason it absolutely definitely got there. The point is that it forms a continuous line of droplets that goes from the duvet to the carpet, thereby indicating that the duvet was in that position before the police arrived (and supposedly moved it there).

 

[jassy writer]

The marks probably look a lot different on a real computer screen from how they do on a computer screen that is being videoed.

 

[Gbtaketwo]

I think I heard Nel mention the blood spatter is thought to be from Reeva's hair as she was carried out of the bedroom to the stairs?

Either the bedroom is very small though, or I can't see why OP would have been carrying her right past the bottom of the bed like that, from the bathroom? Surely he'd have been much closer to the bedroom door?

It is not a huge bedroom ,about 5 metres and from the plans the entrance to the bedroom doors are not far the middle of the room so I guess he wouldn't be that far from the duvet at the point of leaving the room .
The blood above the bed will be the one that I would still like an explanation for and no doubt we will be hearing .

 

[kaos]

Definitely .
Sometimes I have wondered if he did have his legs on the whole time and was shooting from the hip and crouching down a bit . Maybe that is where Nel is going ,he wanted it on record about him crouching .
If the argument had started downstairs and ended upstairs I would have thought he would still have them on . In Op's situation I would only ever be seen without them in bed .

Maybe that's exactly where Nel's going. If he had his legs on, he wasn't in bed so that gives credence to Nel's theory.

 

[patCee]

Apart from crouching, was it also said arm tucked into his side? Did someone say that was said about his arm?

 

[molly333]

How long before trial resumes again?

TIA

 

[lisasalinger]

If her heart was still beating as he carried her around the corner to go through the bedroom door, the spurt across the watch box and subsequent splatter onto the rug and duvet on the rug, but not on the bed, makes sense.

Let's not forget, from OP's own mouth, he does not remember walking down the hallway with her.

He remembers in great detail exactly how he got her out of the toilet, how hard it was to pick her up, what he said to Johan Stander on the phone, then finally being able to pick her up.... BUT he magically does not remember walking from the bathroom to the middle landing of the stairs... not the top of the stairs... specifically the middle landing

Why?

That is the exact area that has arterial spurt on the walls, etc.

What the heck happened in that exact stretch of his room and hall that he doesn't want to talk about.

 

[Suthrnqt]

How many times has court been delayed/adjourned due to OP's antics? Is there ever a point where the judge is allowed to intervene?

 

[Val1]

Definitely .
Sometimes I have wondered if he did have his legs on the whole time and was shooting from the hip and crouching down a bit . Maybe that is where Nel is going ,he wanted it on record about him crouching .
If the argument had started downstairs and ended upstairs I would have thought he would still have them on . In Op's situation I would only ever be seen without them in bed .

In a new relationship that's quite probable. After a few years though... my hb staggers around without a shirt all the time now without a prosthetic, his arm got ripped off at the shoulder when he had his accident, and it's not a pretty sight(huge knot of nerves and scar tissue with a big cavity in the centre). I have to remind him to at least wear a t-shirt when he's out "gardening"(ripping out my flowers) so he doesn't scare the new little schoolkids that have to walk past our house.

 

[BritsKate]

As far as I understand it about the blood spatter, its presence there cannot be doubted as it is over the duvet and the carpet. So for some reason it absolutely definitely got there. The point is that it forms a continuous line of droplets that goes from the duvet to the carpet, thereby indicating that the duvet was in that position before the police arrived (and supposedly moved it there).

Thanks for that. I'd been under the impression the blood in the bedroom was from a pre-murder altercation until hearing it was on the carpet too - but I'm just reading here (I HATE school breaks!) so your post helped me make sense of it.




Please pardon errors as posted via Tapatalk with a less than stellar user.

 

[G.bng]

I don't think there's any question that objects were moved. The photos show that's the case.

Ok, so which set of photos show objects have been moved... the first, second, third, etc. ? And if you are referring to the first set which objects have been proven to have been moved?

And are you saying that two photos Roux used, taken from different ends of the bat, proved the bat was moved? If you are, I can tell you as a professional in 2D and 3D imagery that that is 100%, and I'll repeat, 100%, impossible and I would suggest you do a trial on a tiled floor of a long object like a bat taking a photo from one end and t'other and you will see it looks like the object has been moved when it hasn't. Roux was totally out of his depth with that and if they are using photos from different angles, heights lenses, or whatever to show items have been slightly moved, the "hundreds" or was it "thousands" that OP referred to, they better look again before bringing them up if they don't want to look even more ridiculous than Roux did that day with comparing two different bat photos and arguing they showed the bat had been moved.

 

[zwiebel]

Considering the amount of blood in the bathroom and Reeva's injuries, I'm surprised there wasn't much more blood on the bedroom carpet.

 

[zwiebel]

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