Trial Discussion Thread #34 - 14.05.06 Day 27

[ColonelMustard]

Adjourn until Thursday. Good grief. This wasn't even worth staying up all night for! Roux, you dastardly fiend, you! Ha!

 

[Trooper]

so far.. no one. not one defence witness has heard a man screaming like a woman.. what is Roux doing?? where is this going? the whole defence has gone into a black hole.

 

[zwiebel]

Well. So at least we learned that two close neighbours did not hear any bangs except one, and none heard a woman screaming? And none appeared to be particularly close friends with OP?

 

[MeeBee]

I think it's quite possible that you can be woken by a noise, but have no conscious perception of that noise. Something woke you, but you don't know what it was? It's certainly happened to me, more than once.

Sure. They could have been stirred but not awoken by the initial bang and screams and then fully awoken by the second. This witness heard neither set of bangs, same with Mr. N. And they're much closer.

 

[james83]

So Mrs Motshaune slept through first set of sounds, screams of RS/OP, second set of sounds but was then awoken by O.P crying?.

 

[MeeBee]

So Mrs Motshaune slept through first set of sounds, screams of RS/OP, second set of sounds but was then awoken by O.P crying?.

Seems like.

 

[Trooper]

So Mrs Motshaune slept through first set of sounds, screams of RS/OP, second set of sounds but was then awoken by O.P crying?.

doesn't help Oscar at all. and these are defence witnesses!

 

[Cherwell]

I'll just post this pic again ....

I think that the Motshuane house is the one directly to the right of the Pistorius house, but I'm not certain. If it is, I don't know who lives in the other house. The bedroom balcony faces that house more directly.

 

[BritsKate]

I'd really like to know where the defence witnesses who heard screaming are...the defence has stated Oscar was screaming like a woman; Oscar testified he was screaming and shouting...

So the only people to have heard him screaming like a woman are prosecution witnesses and the defence witnesses even refute what the defence itself has claimed? Alrighty then.

 

[zwiebel]

Both sleeping neighbours woke to their dogs already awake, alert and/or barking though. Kind of indicating they'd heard something their owners missed?

 

[G.bng]

The US is an anomaly of gun laws, each guided by the individual states laws. Some states have heavy restrictions on guns, like Illinois but have the highest rates of gun crime. While other states follow the Castle law or some version of it regarding their laws. Also known as stand your ground laws instead of retreat in half the US states.

PS: Not meant to start a gun control debate, just a response right or wrong.

Yes, I apologise. I did rather generalise about the US when I already knew some states are more likened to the in UK, trouble is it's the states that have such lax gun laws and SYG legislation, and where there is so much gun crime, that get in the news here in the UK where we don't have hardly any guns... "pagan justos por pecadores" as the Spanish saying goes... and that's not wanting to start a debate here either!

 

[katydid23]

Not what I said...

She has factors to weigh. Him being without his legs and feeling vulnerable is one of them.

But he had his legs, laying right next to him. He can put them on in a minute or two, according to a video on the web.

And there are other interviews where he says he does NOT feel vulnerable on his stumps, but is used to them.

If he felt so vulnerable on stumps, why did he leave the locked bedroom, without calling security and the cops? Why did he run on those stumps out the door into a long dark hallway, into certain danger? That scenario makes no sense to me at all.

 

[whiterum]

Well Roux had to make sure they sounded like women!

It's crazy.

LOL I don't think that demonstration added any weight to the DT's argument they could have put a hungry hyena on the stand for all that was worth to their case

 

[moomin]

Well that session was another circus of comedy !
How can close neighbours hear a man crying ,yet no one heard 4 gunshots which we know were clearly fired ?

 

[soozieqtips]

What a damp squib of a day! What use are these witnesses if none of them heard the shots, and none of them can prove OP screamed like a woman? And as for Frank, who was actually staying in a room next to the kitchen on the night Reeva was murdered, I can't understand why he wasn't subpoenaed. I don't believe he heard nothing. That's just too incredulous. So he probably heard exactly what happened, but doesn't want to risk damning OP. But even so, he would have been an extremely important witness. Any chance he was warned off from testifying?

 

[jay-jay]

it didn't seem to me that Oscars defence witnesses,, the Standars,, the N's.. were of any use to him, really. they testified as to what happened after Reeva's death. clearly , N's were involved after her death.. Standar, also. so in a way, they were somewhat meaningless in advancing Oscars case any further forward.

how odd that they have never spoken to Oscar since that day.

Yes, and remember that Nel stopped his cross examination of OP just at that point where OP took Reeva down the stairs and people started arriving? The PT are not interested in what happened from that point onwards, imo.

 

[liesbeth]

The witness MN is black so I don't understand the "racism" he demonstrated, rather he felt the impoliteness and informality of a policeman saying "Hey brother, what happened here?" I would not accept that whether in the 3 countries I have experience with the police in, i.e. the UK, Spain or India where they are even overly polite.

The witness said the first man did not identify himself properly. The people claiming to be police did not follow proper procedure as the witness expected. So he told them to make an appointment. Mike van Aardt came and identified himself and made an appointment.

The witness explained that he acted like this because he knew the media was everywhere and he did not want to talk to someone who could be pretending to be the police.

 

[james83]

doesn't help Oscar at all. and these are defence witnesses!

I agree, these witness's are meaningless in the grand scheme.
What the defence needed was someone to say they heard a man shouting/crying/screaming followed by a set of bangs.
All we have had so far is Oscar was crying after both set's of sound's and we already knew that.

 

[zwiebel]

I'll just post this pic again ....

I think that the Motshuane house is the one directly to the right of the Pistorius house, but I'm not certain. If it is, I don't know who lives in the other house. The bedroom balcony faces that house more directly.

Thank you! Much more helpful than what I was seeing in the courtroom.

O/T I wonder what they use for all those flat roofs, to stop rainwater coming through? I have one that just leaks and leaks, no matter what I do.

 

[Viper]

Interesting that she heard neither set of bangs. Back at square one.

And this is the best the DT can offer. Not good.