Trial Discussion Thread #38 - 14.05.13 Day 31

[jay-jay]

Dr V: “He informed me that he intended to move from that housing estate, becauase he no longer felt safe. He was in the process of purchasing a house in Johannesburg…”
He may have “locked the bedroom door” but Pistorius testified he

• could not be sure if the contractors had disabled his outside alarms as they had done so before
• leaves thousands and thousands of dollars of watches in plane sight and easily accessible
• leaves his car in the driveway and not in the garage, something few South Africans who own cars would do
• leaves a ladder on the ground outside his house
• has a broken window downstairs
• has his bathroom windows unlocked and easy to open
• sleeps with his full length sliding doors open
• owns dogs he says are friendly and gentle

He is the opposite of concerned about his safety from his own testimony.

Yes! Nel is bringing this up now!

 

[zwiebel]

Nel has pointed out how lots of SA'ers have dogs and alarms, and isn't locking a bedroom door normal too?

Doc V disagrees. Thinks locking bedroom door is unusual.

(I wish Nel had mentioned the neighbour who locked his daughter's room at night).

 

[katydid23]

So now he wanted to move to Johannesburg to be safer??

Hey, I thought he was moving there to be closer to his fiancé? :waitasec:

 

[jay-jay]

So it wasn't to be nearer Reeva like we heard before? Tailoring!

OMG! :facepalm:

 

[katydid23]

Nel has pointed out how lots of SA'ers have dogs and alarms, and isn't locking a bedroom door normal too?

Doc V disagrees. Thinks locking bedroom door is unusual.

(I wish Nel had mentioned the neighbour who locked his daughter's room at night).

He did, when u listen again u will hear him, he threw it out there, softly...

 

[AlexUK]

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[Trooper]

vos.. anxiety is very slippery. some can control it. mr P s family was unaware he had this disorder. people can hide it..

Nel. its not so much the social impact his disorder has on his friends, family..

you referred to 3 statements yu received, .. are those the only statements you had??

Vos, yes..

Nel.. the accused is anxious about crime, if I understand your report? and that's what you took into account in your diagnosis, crime in south Africa.. you said he took increasing security events..

Vos. yes. he moved to a secure estate, he found there had been some burgleries there he became unsatisfied as to his security. he also had dogs around the house, and he would lock his bedroom at night. he informed me he intended to move.. where he would have a sort of gatehouse, increased security measures.. I felt his measures were MORE than what is done by the average south African..

Nel. would you agree mnost people have burglar alarms, most people have dogs, ..

Vos. but most people don't lock themselves in the bedroom at night.

Nel. that's interesting because a neighbour does exactly the same thing ,lock the bedroom.. in my view, its quite common..

Vos.. his level of security.. what I was looking at was paranoia about his security, his concerns. . I didn't find paranoia.. but his concerns about security in sourth Africa was extreme.. I thought..

Nel. isn't it ordinary that people lock themselves in their bedrooms??

Vos. no. I don't think so.

Nel. you would expect him to be very concerned about people entering his house.....but.. he had a broken window down stairs.. no burglar bars.... not overly anxiuous to have it fixed... ..

Vos,, I don't think that's important..

Nel. ah. but that's what a normal person would think. but he is suffering from a disorder.. .

Vos. ah. well perhaps.. for a prolonged period of having a window broken. ..

Nel. a person with GAD> he allowed ladders to be on his wall , leading to his window. if he was anxious about crime would he do that??

Vos. hmm.. one wouldn't expect ladders to be so easily available..

Nel. a broken window, a ladder??

Vos.. hmm

 

[beach]

Are we SURE this is a defense witness?

 

[zwiebel]

V:..(re broken window) It's not unusual. You rely on sensors.....you would certainly expect such an individual to fix a window over a long period, but if it just happened during that day....

Nel points out OP's window WAS left unrepaired for a long period, then gets her to agree she would not expect someone with GAD to leave ladders around either.

 

[Trooper]

nel would you expect him to be concerned if his alarm system was not operative??

Vos. . well. I suppose.

ROUX is up.. an objection. Oscar wasn't concerned about the alarm, it was the beams...

 

[lisasalinger]

Struggling to stay awake here in Southern California. It was 92 today!

:sunshine:

 

[toevlugsoord]

Anyone got a strong feed in the UK. My usual Telegraph one ain't working and Wildabouttrial one is very fuzzy!

Yes, I like this one! Very clear.
http://www.channel4.com/news/pistorius-trial-murder-watch-live-video

 

[katydid23]

V: " One wouldnt expect ladders easily available, no..."

Nel:" One wouldnt expect one with GAD,not to be concerned with the alarm system, would one?"

Roux: interrupts and tries to say it was just the sensors, not the entire alarm system,,,

Nel rephrases, and says it more succinctly....

 

[ColonelMustard]

Glad he called her out on her bias.

Glad others also testified they lock their bedroom doors at night and also their kids rooms.

oooo, she just cut Roux off just a bit

 

[zwiebel]

Nel points out OP wasn't concerned about alarms either, doc agrees and Roux is up, saying about the painters etc

Judge asks Nel to be more specific: 'What exactly was wrong with the alarm system?'

 

[Freya1977]

Thank you!! That is sooooo much better :scared:

It's the best quality, I've tried so many! It's very reliable

 

[BritsKate]

Are we SURE this is a defense witness?

Should have seen when Nel led her right into practically admitting murder via dolus eventualis yesterday. It was art in motion.

JMO

 

[ColonelMustard]

RS mom is back. Hi, June!!

We're holding you gently in our hearts.

 

[zwiebel]

N: Someone with Gad-that person would not be able to go to sleep with a balcony door open?

V: I can't say no-it would depend who they were living with....The answer would be a conditional yes.

 

[jay-jay]

Yay! Nel has got her with the open balcony door!