Trial Discussion Thread #47 - 14.07.8, Day 38

[Greater Than]

All I had grabbed from the video before it went awol again was this image of the fans.. they look the same to me as the ones lisasalinger has in her blog from the evidence pics.

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The first picture is from the animation - it's computer generated. I do remember seeing in the reconstruction a large fan (though I have a hard time believing it is the one from OP's house that night), but I don't recall seeing a small fan. Can you screen grab a pic from the replica room? I can't access that video anymore.

 

[Val1]

Preview clip to follow up story on Sunday Night.........claims evidence Reeva was about to leave Oscar

https://au.news.yahoo.com/sunday-night/video/watch/24417868/this-week-criminologist-on-pistorius/

Ack, here we go again...

This video is not available to users in your location.

 

[JudgeJudi]

I agree with you he said his back was to the bed. If the change in his reenactment is to be believed, the light from the balcony, which we know was on and still on when the police arrived, would have shone into the bedroom. How could he not have seen the bed and therefore Reeva? It seems OP shoots himself in the foot with his every move!

This aspect of the trial exercises me somewhat! So I did an experiment with a fan in our bedroom (I think Judgejudi did the same or was it someone else). The fan was not as large - about 14" inches but it was of the standard type (ie with a pedestal). Carrying the fan, I could not hear my OH close a bedroom door hard some 20ft away. The window in OP's alibi is about 30ft or more away, ie past the cupboards, along the corridor to the bathroom and a further 10 ft on from there. I have just had to do it again because I was sure he said his back was to the bed but the reenactment shows him to be behind the fan. Quite frankly I couldn't hear the bedroom door being hard closed on either occasion. The noise of the fan completely obliterated any other sounds. I know my fan was not the same but his was much larger and I think his would have created more wind sound.

Why on earth didn't forensics carry out this exercise? I am sure it would have proved the window could not have been heard above the noise of the fan and that would have determined OP's innocence or guilt (IMO) at the outset.

Like many here, I think the reenactment could not be used because it did not tie in with OP's evidence. In fact I think it may have incriminated him.

Yes, I did an experiment with the fan because I have blockout curtains and a pedestal fan that looks the same size. His version was a complete lie and I proved it.

I like the way the Pistorius family came out right away and said the video was only to be used for pre-trial purposes. Utter rot. Lying just runs in that family because I remember very well that a lot of people here were looking forward to that re-enactment and it just never came. Well, we know why now don't we.

 

[JudgeJudi]

OK everyone, new revelations on OP to be revealed this Sunday on Sunday Night in Australia........the same channel that released the secret OP video.

Just when you think you've heard it all. I just can't believe this anymore. If someone wrote a book or made a movie you'd just think it was the most ridiculous story imaginable. They always say truth is stranger than fiction but this just takes the cake. What's the trailer showing?

 

[kaos]

For those who can't view stuff on overseas sites, there's a program called Hola that allows you to 'change your country'. I've downloaded it both in Google Chrome and as an add on in Mozilla Firefox and both work perfectly. It takes a couple of minutes after installation to work and you do have to register but it may come in handy for those who constantly get blocked videos or who watch a few overseas trials. You can switch it on and off from your toolbar too.

 

[Greater Than]

Thank you for that. I can now see he has walked back past the hifi. Not sure how much difference that would make but I am sure it would change things.

That's what OP thought too which is why he added the covering the LED light event to his version during trial. In neither his bail application nor his plea statement did he mention doing that. In both he said after bringing in the fan (bail app)/fans (plea statement), he closed the sliding door, drew the blinds & curtains, and then heard a noise (bail app)/the bathroom window slide open (plea statement).

 

[JudgeJudi]

BIB

If she gave him a Valentine card saying she loved him I would think it might be difficult to prove she was about to leave him. I cannot play the video so I cannot see what was said. We know in the few days before her death there had been arguments but I assume as she left him the card that they had overcome the hurdle. However, it is possible that something else brewed up on that night that made her realise the relationship was not to be.

At times I have wondered whether he disapproved of her glamour modelling and I think she was about to sign new contracts. Could something in those contracts have enraged him?

Also, I think their telephone conversations show that they were often awake in the early hours of the morning. Can somebody confirm or shoot me down on that please?

I just had an idea. What if they had an argument and she made a call to, say, Gina saying, "That's it, I'm finished with him" and he overhead the conversation. Then it would have escalated. Just saying ...

 

[AJ_DS]

I just had an idea. What if they had an argument and she made a call to, say, Gina saying, "That's it, I'm finished with him" and he overhead the conversation. Then it would have escalated. Just saying ...

If RS called someone it would be one of her friends...wouldn't Gina or whoever have come forward with that info ??

Why does this call not appear in RS's detailed billing ?

 

[Val1]

It must be region blocked again grrrr.....This is what is written at top of page..."The follow-up to our world exclusive Oscar Pistorius investigation. Is he guilty? The criminologist who says Reeva was ready to leave her celebrity boyfriend." At the end of the clip it states "the evidence that shows she was about to leave him".
https://au.news.yahoo.com/sunday-night/video/watch/24417868/this-week-criminologist-on-pistorius/

I know in the Reeva special on you tube, her agent stated that she was re-evaluating her relationship as her agent had stressed to her that the relationship was not good for her career. I for one would have loved to have known just what was in her contracts that Oscar was helping her with.

Yes, because imo it's quite possible to "love" or even be "in love" someone but not want or even be able to be in a relationship with them for a myriad of reasons(speaking from past experience). If you believe OP, they were madly in love and he was buying the fancy new house mainly for RS's benefit... but the backdrop to that is he'd been looking to move into the city for a couple of years because he wanted to be more in the thick of things(nightlife etc) and he'd only met her the month before(while still in the middle of ending his previous "long-term" relationship) he put the deposit on the place(Dec 2012). If you believe RS's words, even from the few texts we saw, she didn't want to be in a relationship with a liar, an abuser, and only wanted to be with someone who loved her that she could love back and I'm pretty sure by that she also meant trust. As for her staying so much at his place, she didn't have a place of her own at the time and it was quite a drive... why didn't he drive to her if he was so worried about her traveling alone instead of "letting" her stay over? Plus it sounds like the majority of her time there was to babysit the house and dogs, all within the first two months of a new relationship in which OP felt the right to denigrate her both in public and private to the point that she felt the need to write a very long text about it. Yea... quite the paradise of love, not!

 

[Val1]

If RS called someone it would be one of her friends...wouldn't Gina or whoever have come forward with that info ??

Why does this call not appear in RS's detailed billing ?

Would it show if it had been interrupted and hung up on? Plus we still don't know what that last internet connection was, correct?

 

[JudgeJudi]

Pfft, just ignore anything that I post in the evening after I've had a few Bourbons, I'm an obnoxious drunk!
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Ha, ha, ha. Enjoy. Anyway, did you read the link on 343? It's pretty informative.

 

[JudgeJudi]

OMG, I just realised it's 3am. I'm going to be in HUGE trouble. I have to sneak into bed but my little Pomeranian is sleeping there and she's going to bark. Sweet dreams all.

:countsheep:

 

[AJ_DS]

Would it show if it had been interrupted and hung up on? Plus we still don't know what that last internet connection was, correct?

Don't take this as 100% sure…

if call is answered i.e. someone picks up, voicemail or even busy signal, the call is deemed to have been connected and it will be logged

if the call rings without anybody answering it and the caller disconnects, the call is deemed to have not been connected and it will not be logged

The last internet connection of RS was an uninterrupted GPRS… my guess it's a wi-fi hotspot on her phone to connect the macbook to the internet so she could access and work on her files stored in her iCloud

If RS had used Whatsapp or whatever during that time, the data would be in her phone's application data… nothing was put into court record that would indicate that RS used social media during that time

The GPRS 17 seconds previous to the uninterrupted one is IMO very relevant… Nel was very insistent on this GPRS connection and indicated to Judge Masipa to look in the Whatsapp data : I believe we haven’t heard the last about this GPRS connection.

 

[Cherwell]

BIBAlso, I think their telephone conversations show that they were often awake in the early hours of the morning. Can somebody confirm or shoot me down on that please?

If that's the case, it casts doubt on his story that they (or at least he) went to sleep so early.

 

[Cherwell]

Karyn Maughan @karynmaughan • 7h
In 2-page affidavit, Le Roux says he used the now missing cord to charge his camera in #OscarPistorius bathroom.

Karyn Maughan @karynmaughan • 7h
Le Roux says he put the cord back in #OscarPistorius bedroom "but not as I found it"

Karyn Maughan @karynmaughan • 7h
Le Roux: "I am not sure if I placed it on top of something or on the floor".

Sorry, but who is Le Roux?

 

[Interested Bystander]

Sorry, but who is Le Roux?

He is a police photographer.

 

[Greater Than]

If that's the case, it casts doubt on his story that they (or at least he) went to sleep so early.

As does her stomach contents.

 

[AJ_DS]

If that's the case, it casts doubt on his story that they (or at least he) went to sleep so early.

OP was a professional athlete… he was in a training period on 13 February… rest and sleep is part of his regimen… we have heard how strictly OP adhered to his training regimen...Peet van Zyl confirmed that and the rest/sleep

Sam Taylor said that OP got up in the morning around 5AM… this means OP had to go to bed early around 10PM for a 7-hour sleep

During Moller's testimony there was a reference to messages when OP an RS had an argument (the one post wedding/engagement reception IIRC) … the times given were unclear because no one specified if they were GMT or SA (GMT + 2)… I believe they were GMT because the data from where they were given were in GMT and the answer were given quite rapidly without any hesitation/conversion.

I one of those message from OP to RS, it was around 3:00AM GMT so 5:00AM SA time… the message was a good morning to RS the day after the argument… RS replied to that message about 2 hours later

 

[Greater Than]

Would it show if it had been interrupted and hung up on? Plus we still don't know what that last internet connection was, correct?

This article has charts with a timeline of the phone records:

Many of the connections on Steenkamp’s cellphone used the tower near Pistorius’s home.

However, one call at 5:44pm used a different tower, indicating she had moved.

The very last connection to Steenkamp’s phone was a data connection starting at around 8:14pm which lasted over 41,000 seconds.

Moller revealed the last call from Pistorius’s phone before the incident was at 8:25pm, lasting around 30 minutes.

http://ewn.co.za/2014/03/25/Oscar-Pistorius-trial-Cellphones-analysed

 

[Viper]

Ha, ha, ha. Enjoy. Anyway, did you read the link on 343? It's pretty informative.

I have it open but have not had time to relax and read today. I'm stressing out about a remodeling project in my home. Who knew that picking out a new sink and faucet could be so demanding! LOL!!! But I am going to read it in a few hours after the day ends here. Thank you so much for finding that and sharing it!

ETA: Hopefully there is some great stuff in there that I can use against AJ. :smile: