Trial Discussion Thread #5 - 14.03.11-12, Day 7-8

[zwiebel]

Bat in court. Witness says it's a Lazer English Willow, couple of sigs on it, probably famous people but he doesn't know who they are.

Bat fits in marks on door. He established the angle.

 

[minor4th]

Seriously, they could not present this in a more confusing manner if they tried

 

[Trooper]

Brand of bat. Laser.. made of willow

(marks on the side of it. obviously not used in the bayonet mode, but swing in an arc on the door. my opinion)

 

[zwiebel]

Witness leaving box to demonstrate. Asks leave to 'Take off my jacket"

Showing position but I can't see!

Nel 'Witness standing next to door, left side towards the wall....standing upright, hasn't moved his position, and he's hit the mark with the bat'

Measuring now.

 

[zwiebel]

Mark is 1.75m off floor height?

 

[minor4th]

Roux is a smartie - getting him to demonstrate how he could hit the actual place where the break is

 

[zwiebel]

Witness says he's very uncomfortable hitting the mark from a standing position. Nel asks him to lower himself.

 

[zwiebel]

Roux is a smartie - getting him to demonstrate how he could hit the actual place where the break is

Oooh, is it Roux? Thought it was Nel!

 

[Really?]

Seriously, they could not present this in a more confusing manner if they tried

I totally agree with this.

Did he just actually "hit" the door in court?

 

[zwiebel]

They measured something...1.24 - 1.25??

 

[minor4th]

This is a stupid demonstration IMO. They're measuring it like it's an exact, precise measurement of what? The Col is contorting his body to make sure it looks awkward

 

[Trooper]

2 marks of a cricket bat on the door... no others..

 

[gajonka]

Brand of bat. Laser.. made of willow

(marks on the side of it. obviously not used in the bayonet mode, but swing in an arc on the door. my opinion)

This is great,,,
Thank you sir may I have another!

 

[Trooper]

Oooh, is it Roux? Thought it was Nel!

it is Nel, Zwi...

 

[minor4th]

Oooh, is it Roux? Thought it was Nel!

Nel did initially, but Roux had him demonstrate different angles and heights

 

[zwiebel]

He's not actually hitting door that I can hear, just swinging.

 

[Trooper]

just to clarify.. Nel is the prosecutor. he is currently xaming the ballistics bloke.

 

[zwiebel]

Second mark, bat went through the door and there are marks on the bat 'where person sort of twisted the bat to get throught the panel'.

 

[minor4th]

I totally agree with this.

Did he just actually "hit" the door in court?

Yes, he did, and it was pretty loud even though he barely hit it.

I don't mean to question the colonel, but are these things exact? Like is it necessarily true that is the only way the bat could have hit the door?

 

[zwiebel]

Vertical lines on backside of bat and very distinct indentation.