Trial Discussion Thread #58 - 14.17.10, Day 47 ~ sentencing~

[jay-jay]

I guess these interviews are with friendly journos who didn't end up in any black books*, which makes them worth little in terms of being candid. Ask them about Babyshoes, cell phone data wiping, hand bag swiping, all the stories about their brother's past behaviour ... none of those questions will be asked I am sure. Which really means it's just PR. As mentioned above, are they aware of how badly they come across to most people? I don't think they can be or they would keep a low profile at this point in time. Anyone have any ideas on why they might be doing this now, the day before his sentencing?

* Robyn Curnow has been pro-Pistorius in every segment I've ever seen her in, along with Kelly Phelps.

Check out the comments section at the end of that article .. someone has gone straight in with the questions about Carl and Aimee removing evidence from the crime scene, and the data wiping .. let's just hope Carl is reading that (he did say that it's difficult to avoid keep reading these things, LOL!)

 

[PrimeSuspect]

http://www.enca.com/south-africa/big-interview-oscars-siblings-carl-and-aimee-speak-out

:giggle:

 

[jay-jay]

I'm very broad -minded too Bystander. But I wonder if it's part of the evangelical church they belong to and it's SO convenient to appear as so loving, caring, supportive.

An aside - watching Carl I wonder if he has something he feels he needs to hide. That's a very macho crowd he runs with over there and maybe he can't really be himself.

BBM .. Haha .. I thought exactly the same thing, cottonweaver! .. not that there is anything wrong with being like that, of course, but just that I don't think it's quite so acceptable in SA as it is in the UK, so I do wonder if he does indeed have something to hide from the macho crowd

 

[lithgow1]

Well that was telling in a nauseating way. Notice how when the interview is supposedly over they kind of relax (fair enough) but then when the last question on closure is re-put to them it is like they are back 'on' again, with Aimee's 'wistful' look and Carl's profound comment about the landscape of their life being changed forever. Soozieqtips: I'd much rather hang out with the Addams Family than this lot. And all this BS re the praying question about religion being private - I'd respect that if they didn't form prayer circles in the courtroom and Carl would quit with the God tweets.

 

[foxbluff]

Me too, I feel a deep sympathy for June and Barry, but I know for a fact that time won't heal the wounds. Time will teach you how to live with the loss, but not make it better by any stretch. I know because I've lost two siblings, and I've seen first hand what it does to the parents.

I agree.

Some wounds go too deep to ever heal completely. The best you can hope for is, that somewhere along the way, they'll at least stop bleeding.

 

[jay-jay]

He is so obviously fake Jay-Jay. Of course thinks he is being smooth. Reminds me of his Uncle.
His act during this interview can't be reconciled with his tweets over many months.

Aimee, I feel, doesn't come across as fake. ( Meek and fragile - just how the Pistorians like their women? Very unlike Reeva) A little simple maybe. Maybe growing up in between these 2 boys was suffocating for her and arrested her development!

BBM .. yes, that's exactly what I thought, too .. that was the word that sprang to my mind too, 'simple'. I don't think she really questions anything that much (in general, I mean, not specifically with regard to this case), or has an enquiring mind like we do, and just accepts everything told to her in her little world.

 

[cottonweaver]

.. just watching that again, and they seem to have edited it .. there's two vid clips there now, and the second one begins in a different place to how that part of the interview originally started when you first posted the link. I'm gobsmacked that Carl has the nerve to say that all the negativity towards them on social media is because of a 'broken society' .. yes, that's it, pass the blame back to everyone else! That family just do not seem to be able to look at themselves and their own behaviour, and realise there is something really quite amiss with it, do they?

Yes, that was unbelievable!

Also very striking, the "journalist" asks them both what has been worst thing about this for you both.
Each agrees that it is the "negativity, untruths, twisted truths and ridicule". (Obviously they won't specify which reports are false)

If that was my brother who had killed someone and was facing jail, I doubt I would be saying that "media ridicule" was the worst aspect!

And they ought to stop twisting things themselves, just be real and say : everyone in SA society seems to have a negative view of us now; we can't escape a sense of shame on TV, radio, social media; everyone has an opinion about us and we have totally lost our privacy via a media through which we previously derived fame; people still think our brother is a liar and a murderer; everywhere we go people are whispering etc etc. That would have been much more honest and would possibly allow for a nugget of sympathy.

 

[Susza]

Wardle just mentioned how Nel should have questioned Carice Viljoen about why the had black plastic bags in use to 'help' Steenkamp!! Oh yes...

RSFS

BBM - I have always been wondering about that. I would be interested what you all here think about that.

TIA

 

[KarenUK]

Oscar's siblings Carl and Aimee speak out

http://www.enca.com/south-africa/big-interview-oscars-siblings-carl-and-aimee-speak-out

I can't watch this I'm afraid, I'm not even going to try - there just aren't enough green buckets in the world to get me through it.

 

[Susza]

eNCA @eNCAnews
Carl and Aimee Pistorius speak to #eNCA before their brother Oscar's sentencing. "This will be with him forever". #OscarSiblings

eNCA @eNCAnews
RT @karynmaughan: Aimee Pistorius speaks to #eNCA about her friendship with Reeva Steenkamp, "she was a very special person"

Karyn Maughan ‏@karynmaughan
Carl Pistorius on death threats made against his brother Oscar: "we take the threats seriously..." @eNCAnews

BBM - Is this just another attempt to catch attention or do you think there are real threats that have been addressed to OP?

 

[TorisMom003]

BiB

That is something I have noticed. I squirm when I read what he says about her and how he is always holding her like a girlfriend. I feel there is something to be concerned about in their relationship and it certainly makes me feel uncomfortable, broad minded though I am.

Some of the pictures that OP and Aimee have taken together look more like a picture for a couple announcing their engagement than a brother and sister posing together. For example:

link for photo: http://slimcelebrity.com/celebrity-...t/oscar-pistorius-sister-aimee-pistorius-pic/

Sorry Mods, not sure how to do it as a thumbnail.

 

[TorisMom003]

BBM .. yes, that's exactly what I thought, too .. that was the word that sprang to my mind too, 'simple'. I don't think she really questions anything that much (in general, I mean, not specifically with regard to this case), or has an enquiring mind like we do, and just accepts everything told to her in her little world.

I disagree. I think that Aimee is a lot smarter, more shrewd, than she lets on that she is. I think she learned all of the same behavior that her brothers did, she just uses her being a woman to her advantage.

MOO

 

[Estelle]

I disagree. I think that Aimee is a lot smarter, more shrewd, than she lets on that she is. I think she learned all of the same behavior that her brothers did, she just uses her being a woman to her advantage.

MOO

Aimee gained an Honors Degree in Business in 2010 so she is not as "simple" as some might think. I agree with you that she is shrewd.


Aimee Joy Pistorius
@aimee_joy

Final year studying business honours and working- busy but blessed
South Africa
Joined October 2010

 

[soozieqtips]

Image of a "broken" man who has lost everything.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rs-asks-disabled-people-softer-sentences.html

 

[Estelle]

Now President Zuma has had his say on the sentencing:

Oscar Pistorius’s disability not a factor in his sentencing, says Jacob Zuma

South Africa’s president, Jacob Zuma, has criticised Oscar Pistorius’s defence team for arguing the Paralympian should be spared prison because he is disabled and “has money”.

He also backed judge Thokozile Masipa, whose decision to clear the double amputee athlete of murder was widely attacked. “The fact that the judge says he’s acquitted of murder, but on culpable homicide convicted, teaches people I think something in law, that you don’t just say because the life was lost it’s a murder,” he said. “It could be murder, it could be an unintended kind of thing. I think people must have learned.

“The judge was under a bit of criticism, particularly because she’s a woman and women felt that she was not sympathetic to women, but she’s applying the law. So I’m just saying it was an interesting lesson for us.”

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...t-jacob-zuma-trial-disability-jail?CMP=twt_gu

 

[jay-jay]

Aimee gained an Honors Degree in Business in 2010 so she is not as "simple" as some might think. I agree with you that she is shrewd.


Aimee Joy Pistorius
@aimee_joy

Final year studying business honours and working- busy but blessed
South Africa
Joined October 2010

.. but .. what I'm trying to get at is that she doesn't seem to question anything and she doesn't appear to be her own person, not like how Reeva was. Yes, she's shrewd in the sense you describe, but still simple in the respect that she is willing to believe anything told to her by her brothers. I also do not believe that having a degree means anything much more than being able to absorb and retain a lot of information, it's whether she has an enquiring mind that makes someone intelligent, imo, and she does not come across as that type of person to me.

 

[Estelle]

Image of a "broken" man who has lost everything.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rs-asks-disabled-people-softer-sentences.html

I suspect that that smile will be wiped off his face when he receives a prison sentence tomorrow.

 

[Cherwell]

Much as I detest what I've seen of the current Pistorius clan, they can't be held responsible for what their ancestors did. "Women Deceiveth Ever" was a catchphrase of an earlier nasty piece of work.

In 1844, Carel August Pistorius, one of five brothers who came out from Germany, bought land and built a farmhouse on the south bank of the Vaal River. He called it Maccauvlei.

The farm took its name from the large flocks of spur-winged geese - in Afrikaans, wildemakoue - that frequented the nearby wetlands.

According to the website of the Maccauvlei Golf Club, located across the river from present-day Vereeniging, Carel Pistorius's fierce misogyny and obdurate nature resulted in his being dubbed "Kwaai Angus" (Angry Angus) by his neighbours.

"This formidable character had a particular mistrust of women and cheques. His mistrust of women evinced by the fact that into his heavy wooden front door were carved the words 'Women Deceiveth Ever'."

http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/20...y-had-issues-involving-wooden-doors---in-1844

 

[JuneBug67]

In reference to jay-jay's post from a previous and now un-quoteable thread:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-10-Day-46-sentencing&p=11096148#post11096148

The poster (and those in the chorus of thanks) are decidedly comfortable with leaping to conclusions. I've been posting here on this case since March 2013. Your assumption that all the posts that appear in my history are in fact all my posts was a bad one. The original discussion was in a different section of the site and I don't know where all the early threads are any more, but I did very easily find this previous post of mine.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...5-14-03-11-12-Day-7-8&p=10326678#post10326678

 

[Cherwell]

Now President Zuma has had his say on the sentencing:

Oscar Pistorius’s disability not a factor in his sentencing, says Jacob Zuma

South Africa’s president, Jacob Zuma, has criticised Oscar Pistorius’s defence team for arguing the Paralympian should be spared prison because he is disabled and “has money”.

He also backed judge Thokozile Masipa, whose decision to clear the double amputee athlete of murder was widely attacked. “The fact that the judge says he’s acquitted of murder, but on culpable homicide convicted, teaches people I think something in law, that you don’t just say because the life was lost it’s a murder,” he said. “It could be murder, it could be an unintended kind of thing. I think people must have learned.

“The judge was under a bit of criticism, particularly because she’s a woman and women felt that she was not sympathetic to women, but she’s applying the law. So I’m just saying it was an interesting lesson for us.”

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...t-jacob-zuma-trial-disability-jail?CMP=twt_gu

What's up, Jacob, scared they might piss on you?