Trial Discussion weekend Thread #18

[Gbtaketwo]

Thank you for finding that. So neighbour, friend and ladders now tie into the story + contractors. LOL

Menelaou was on the witness list and seemed he was commenting about the night of the incident as though he was a very near neighbour. Perhaps he was across the road?

Another interesting point is that Roux quite clearly said that the neighbours either side heard nothing. This was during Stipp's appearance.

We might have to wait and see if they are called as defence witness's .
I did read somewhere that they just heard the final shots and nothing before because they had their television on .
Problem is you can never be sure how accurate things are in the press.

 

[jay-jay]

Given all the things at OP's that weren't working or weren't fixed, it makes me wonder what in the world the handyman did all day. Was he a live-in?

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[04009margaret]

Aha, I think I've got it. Mr Menelaou is "a project manager in the building industry" so perhaps these contractors were employed by him. There is a mention of OP consulting him about a damp problem.

He is also OP's best friend

 

[Interested Bystander]

This is the article posted in Drum but from a different source. The ladder is mentioned briefly.


https://twitter.com/MediaSlut/status/328202854500290560

 

[Viper]

Another thing that I now find fascinating, in addition to him sleeping on the left side of the bed that night, was another thing that was also revealed by Sammantha when I listened closely to her testimony. Something else I had also missed.

She said she was at his home sleeping with him almost 4 nights a week for 3 years. And not ONCE in that entire 625 nights did she ever see him put the gun under the bed

Valentine's Day night he claims he did. I will need to hear mucho explanation for that little oddity.

Go to 33:30:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUAi5_ySYjo&list=UU8yH-uI81UUtEMDsowQyx1g&feature=share

 

[DebinGA]

This is the article posted in Drum but from a different source. The ladder is mentioned briefly.


https://twitter.com/MediaSlut/status/328202854500290560

Wow, what an example of cultural differences the wording of that msg is to my southern U.S ears.

 

[Interested Bystander]

Given all the things at OP's that weren't working or weren't fixed, it makes me wonder what in the world the handyman did all day. Was he a live-in?

His handyman was described as a gardener so perhaps replacing windows was not his forte. However, he lives on the ground floor within the house at the back so I find it very odd that he heard nothing. His housekeeper is also said to be based on site, though there are different reports as to whether she was in a hut somewhere in the garden or in another part of the house. I find it very odd they did not hear anything, regardless of whether there was a water feature in the garden. Gun blasts are deafening and OP is going to say he could not hear Reeva scream because he was deafened by the initial gun blast. Very convenient IMO.

From the amount of screaming that witnesses have attested to, it is my opinion that RS was being chased by OP and she shut herself in the toilet cubicle. Then he batted the door which frightened her and instinct would make her scream. He needed to stop her screaming, so out came the gun.

 

[Cherwell]

We might have to wait and see if they are called as defence witness's .
I did read somewhere that they just heard the final shots and nothing before because they had their television on .
Problem is you can never be sure how accurate things are in the press.

That's feasible. My neighbours often don't hear their doorbell because they're both in the habit of listening to the TV or music using headphones.

 

[Viper]

Also from Sammantha, it is interesting to be reminded that every night she was in bed with him OP used his phone.

I can just see him frantically hitting delete delete delete delete delete delete :floorlaugh:

 

[Gbtaketwo]

Another thing that I now find fascinating, in addition to him sleeping on the left side of the bed that night, was another thing that was also revealed by Sammantha when I listened closely to her testimony. Something else I had also missed.

She said she was at his home sleeping with him almost 4 nights a week for 3 years. And not ONCE in that entire 625 nights did she ever see him put the gun under the bed

Valentine's Day night he claims he did. I will need to hear mucho explanation for that little oddity.

Go to 33:30:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUAi5_ySYjo&list=UU8yH-uI81UUtEMDsowQyx1g&feature=share

I had also noticed that but can't see any reason why it would affect anything .
I think his ex said it was normally on his bedside table or with his legs .
If he normally only kept it with his legs then yes i could see a reason because you would wonder why he didn't put them on at the same time . Confusing .....

 

[soozieqtips]

There's no real point in telling me it's misleading, as it's not my piece (that's why we I've included a link in the original post). We do this to show you where the source is, precisely so you don't end up blaming the poster.

You can contact Karyn Maughan, Legal Reporter at Enca if you find it misleading, but in the grand scheme of things is it really that important?

I said 'it's not true and is misleading' - not that 'you' were misleading. Big difference... as I'm sure you know. Anyway, if the family handed in the phone six days later... (and I'm not sure what date to believe with all the different stories) why did they hold onto it at all when they knew it was evidence? Nel didn't get hold of it till 26th Feb. Do you have an opinion on why the phone wasn't handed in immediately? Anyway, Apple has support for forgotten 'unlock phone' passwords. Normally, a simple restore of the device means you can set it again after.

http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1212

 

[Val1]

Where does the information come from that someone lent OP the ladders?

No idea, just have this that raises questions for me.

https://twitter.com/MediaSlut/status/328202854500290560/photo/1

 

[DebinGA]

Also from Sammantha, it is interesting to be reminded that every night she was in bed with him OP used his phone.

I can just see him frantically hitting delete delete delete delete delete delete :floorlaugh:

USA Today: "When Pistorius competed at the London Olympics, last summer, (a radio host) interviewed the athlete's roommate at the Olympic Village: 'What is it like to sleep in the same room with a superstar?' And he said, 'I moved out. Oscar is always shouting at people on the phone.'"

 

[Cherwell]

No idea, just have this that raises questions for me.

https://twitter.com/MediaSlut/status/328202854500290560/photo/1

"Perhaps he was angry with me over the ladder" - if that's all it is, then he might be thinking that he should have checked up on his employees (if the contractors were his employees).

 

[04009margaret]

Could it be that Christo Menelaou heard the cricket bat sounds? He's reported as saying that he woke with a start at 3:08 to 3 loud bangs, that he thought were thunderclaps, he lay in bed waiting for the rain to start.

 

[crasshopper]

Thanks for this. I find it hard to believe that someone can have (relatively) normal relationships for years and years, then after three months with one girl decide, "this one has to go."

I disagree, even with a history of healthy or normal relationships, a later relationship can become highly dysfunctional.

Reeva seemed intent on discussing and addressing those developing issues with Oscar according to her texts, imo.

 

[Val1]

"Perhaps he was angry with me over the ladder" - if that's all it is, then he might be thinking that he should have checked up on his employees (if the contractors were his employees).

Actually it's OP's last sentence that raises the most curiosity for me, "grateful for everything"? As for the ladder, perhaps it was supposed to have been left under the bathroom window and not under the broken window, who knows... ?

 

[crasshopper]

"The defence has questioned Stipp’s memory in this regard, saying Pistorius would testify that a light was not working at the time."

Why do we need OP to testify that the light switch wasn't working? Couldn't the police just flip the light switch and confirm whether it was working or not? Why do we need to hear OP's testimony on this when it could be fabricated.

I would need an elctrician's testimony to believe this.
In addition, were the police NOT able to turn on the lights when they arrived? You would think they would turn on ALL the lights and remember if the bathroom one wasn't working.

 

[Val1]

Also from Sammantha, it is interesting to be reminded that every night she was in bed with him OP used his phone.

I can just see him frantically hitting delete delete delete delete delete delete :floorlaugh:

If you believe the defense theory that the first set of "sounds" were the gunshots that killed RS, then he certainly had enough time.... perhaps even time to practice screaming before he fired another volley, just to throw all the witnesses off?:drumroll:

 

[steveml]

Fair assumptions, but why wasn't it read out with the other messages etc when the expert was on the stand?

The object of the mobile device investigation was to ascertain anything that stood out (specifically arguments), to show the nature of Reeva and OP's relationship. Roux ascertains the nature of the investigation from Moller, and the quantity of relevant conversations that were found. It's indicated from Moller that there are only 4 relevant out of 1704. If any further conversations of this nature were introduced into court at a later time Moller will have committed perjury.

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