TRIAL - Ross Harris #1

[MsMarple]

It was testified that Cooper ate breakfast at 8:45 am that morning. So when he went to CFA with RH he didn't eat? That makes more sense than trying to persuade the jury that he was in and out in 19 minutes. No toddler eats that quickly.


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According to the ME report, the ME's investigator reported that "Sgt. Szeniawski further advised the decedent consumed breakfast consisting of a sausage biscuit from Chick-fiI-A on the date of the incident." Also, at autopsy the doctor found partially digested food including potatoes in the gastrointestinal tract.

https://www.karasoncrime.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Medical-Examiners-Report-Cooper-Harris.pdf

So apparently Cooper did eat at CFA. I can't remember who said he didn't eat there though.

 

[Hope4More]

According to the ME report, the ME's investigator reported that "Sgt. Szeniawski further advised the decedent consumed breakfast consisting of a sausage biscuit from Chick-fiI-A on the date of the incident." Also, at autopsy the doctor found partially digested food including potatoes in the gastrointestinal tract.

https://www.karasoncrime.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Medical-Examiners-Report-Cooper-Harris.pdf

So apparently Cooper did eat at CFA. I can't remember who said he didn't eat there though.

Police officer Piper testified she overheard RH, while detained in her patrol car, telling (EMT?) that Cooper had eaten breakfast at home.

 

[pet friend]

I think there is already enough reasonable doubt about the smell and the state's theory that there's no way Ross did not notice the smell for 2 miles. There have been a number of witnesses who said there was no smell, including one of the police on the scene who actually went in the car. If other witnesses didn't smell a strong decamp smell, you can't logically conclude that Ross MUST have smelled strong decomp smell.

I don't have experience with the smell of decomposition. (Thankfully) After following many criminal cases I learned that the odor is unmistakable & strong enough to permeate a person's sense of smell upon leaving a crime scene. I believe le would know this smell immediately due to their experience dealing with homicide cases. Am I mistaken that you are a defense attorney? The reason I ask is because I have consistently seen you take that role during other cases I have followed on websleuths.

 

[Maisiebelle]

Looking at those straps on the car seat makes me wonder how in earth RH managed to fasten Cooper into it. My grandson is about the same age Cooper was when he died and there is no way he would even fit in his baby car seat, let alone be strapped in on the middle setting.


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[Maisiebelle]

I'm just watching the video the crime scene tech took of the car. Is it just me or does RH sit really close to the steering wheel? Not meaning to sound unkind but at the time of this tragedy he wasn't slim and he appears to be quite tall. How on earth is he comfortable driving like this? Of course, the seats may have been moved by the investigators.

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[Hope4More]

Looking at those straps on the car seat makes me wonder how in earth RH managed to fasten Cooper into it. My grandson is about the same age Cooper was when he died and there is no way he would even fit in his baby car seat, let alone be strapped in on the middle setting.


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From autopsy report: Cooper was 33" tall and weighed 21.5 pounds.

And a btw and fwiw, the ME reported that Cooper's shirt and shorts were both "slightly wet on the posterior, " (not drenched in sweat), and he made no mention of observing sweat at all (versus State witnesses saying they saw significant sweat on Cooper's body).

 

[blue22]

IMO the defense strategically drew out and extended their cross, and belabored minor details, to try to blunt the very powerful image and impact of the State's photos of Cooper's car seat so close to the driver's seat.

But...they also zeroed in, finally, after that, to perhaps pretty significant irregularities in what the State presented as photo evidence of that proximity.

When I said that, it was very much in the beginning of their cross. I had to stop watching pretty early in. I felt his attitude in the beginning was really poor, when asking routine questions that were (at that point) just information about the witness himself. They were not even getting into evidence details, yet.

 

[Maisiebelle]

So RH has all these expensive Apple products (iphone, ipad, macbook) yet they can't buy a second full size car seat to keep their baby safe?

 

[blue22]

From autopsy report: Cooper was 33" tall and weighed 21.5 pounds.

And a btw and fwiw, the ME reported that Cooper's shirt and shorts were both "slightly wet on the posterior, " (not drenched in sweat), and he made no mention of observing sweat at all (versus State witnesses saying they saw significant sweat on Cooper's body).

SO much information to take in so far. Has it been said how much later the ME saw Cooper? By the time the ME saw Cooper, would there be a significant difference in sweat on his body? He was on very hot pavement, could his body and clothing dried after time. (Also, the sheet could have removed body perspiration.) Is that possible? I don't know very much about what happens to the body after death. I could be totally wrong.

I was just considering that this time... the witnesses were correct and the passage of time altered the amount of sweat,

 

[arkansasmimi]

From autopsy report: Cooper was 33" tall and weighed 21.5 pounds.

And a btw and fwiw, the ME reported that Cooper's shirt and shorts were both "slightly wet on the posterior, " (not drenched in sweat), and he made no mention of observing sweat at all (versus State witnesses saying they saw significant sweat on Cooper's body).

Agree, and your body when getting overheated so fast actually stops sweating iirc which helps cool the body down.

 

[PaperDoll]

Catching up on the trial on You Tube, been traveling today. Sad to see Cooper alive at CFA

 

[arkansasmimi]

The body is that of a Caucasian male child whose general appearance is consistent with the stated chronological age of 22 months.

The body measurements are as follows:
Crown-heel length: 33"
Crown-rump length: 14"
Rump-heel length: 17-1/2"
Head circumference: 19-1/2"
Chest circumference: 18"
Abdominal circumference: 18"
Shoulder-rump length: 11"
Back of neck-rump length: 10-1/2"
Crown-shoulder length: 8"
Shoulder-heel length: 23-1/2"
Back of head-heel length: 26"
Body weight: 21 pounds, 5.4 ounces

Car Seat weight on back was 22 - 30 pounds.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Tilt all way compressed

Tilt all way extended

Tilt as it was in the vehicle 6/18/14 ss from video at Crime Shed by CSI Grimstead

 

[Maisiebelle]

I am from the UK and I think we have different child safety seats to the US. The first stage baby seats go from birth to approx 12 months in age and are rear facing. When the child is approx 28lbs they move up to the next stage seat which is front facing. If Cooper weighed 21 pounds he wouldnt be too heavy for a UK seat but height wise he would likely be very uncomfortable in his car seat.

 

[arkansasmimi]

The body is that of a Caucasian male child whose general appearance is consistent with the stated chronological age of 22 months.

The body measurements are as follows:
Crown-heel length: 33"
Crown-rump length: 14"
Rump-heel length: 17-1/2"
Head circumference: 19-1/2"
Chest circumference: 18"
Abdominal circumference: 18"
Shoulder-rump length: 11"
Back of neck-rump length: 10-1/2"
Crown-shoulder length: 8"
Shoulder-heel length: 23-1/2"
Back of head-heel length: 26"
Body weight: 21 pounds, 5.4 ounces

Car Seat weight on back was 22 - 30 pounds.

Body weight: 21 pounds, 5.4 ounces from autopsy report https://www.karasoncrime.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Medical-Examiners-Report-Cooper-Harris.pdf

Car Seat weight on back was 22 - 30 pounds. Testimony from Grimstead 10/12/16

from bottom of car seat where "rump is to top of car seat inside measurement 19 1/4" -- 1 foot 7 1/4 inches is what Grimstead testified his measurements were

Cooper from Crown-rump length: 14"

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link took ss from Wild about Trials and the exact video and time stamp are on ss.

 

[GA_Peach]

The body is that of a Caucasian male child whose general appearance is consistent with the stated chronological age of 22 months.

The body measurements are as follows:
Crown-heel length: 33"
Crown-rump length: 14"
Rump-heel length: 17-1/2"
Head circumference: 19-1/2"
Chest circumference: 18"
Abdominal circumference: 18"
Shoulder-rump length: 11"
Back of neck-rump length: 10-1/2"
Crown-shoulder length: 8"
Shoulder-heel length: 23-1/2"
Back of head-heel length: 26"
Body weight: 21 pounds, 5.4 ounces

Car Seat weight on back was 22 - 30 pounds.

Thank you for sharing the above information. Cooper was 3 inches over the height requirement. Here is a link to the user guide for Cooper's car seat:

http://demandware.edgesuite.net/aam.../products/Manuals/KeyFit30_2016_IS0018.7E.pdf

 

[Doghairrules]

Body weight: 21 pounds, 5.4 ounces from autopsy report https://www.karasoncrime.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Medical-Examiners-Report-Cooper-Harris.pdf

Car Seat weight on back was 22 - 30 pounds. Testimony from Grimstead 10/12/16

from bottom of car seat where "rump is to top of car seat inside measurement 19 1/4" -- 1 foot 7 1/4 inches is what Grimstead testified his measurements were

Cooper from Crown-rump length: 14"

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link took ss from Wild about Trials and the exact video and time stamp are on ss.

Isn't 22 lbs small for a 22-month old? I've known 9-12 month olds who weigh that.


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[arkansasmimi]

Body weight: 21 pounds, 5.4 ounces from autopsy report https://www.karasoncrime.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Medical-Examiners-Report-Cooper-Harris.pdf

Car Seat weight on back was 22 - 30 pounds. Testimony from Grimstead 10/12/16

from bottom of car seat where "rump is to top of car seat inside measurement 19 1/4" -- 1 foot 7 1/4 inches is what Grimstead testified his measurements were

Cooper from Crown-rump length: 14"

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link took ss from Wild about Trials and the exact video and time stamp are on ss.

JMHO Head would NOT been above the top as some have stated.

From Rump-heel length: 17-1/2", so yes his legs would have as it stated so far in testimony, bent (JMHO my visual thinking is bent at knees and maybe feet resting on bottom of the car seat )

Taken by CSI Grimstead late night 6/18/14 to after midnight 6/19/14 video, and executing SW on RH Vehicle. Car seat from passenger side rear door view
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[arkansasmimi]

Thank you for sharing the above information. Cooper was 3 inches over the height requirement. Here is a link to the user guide for Cooper's car seat:

http://demandware.edgesuite.net/aam.../products/Manuals/KeyFit30_2016_IS0018.7E.pdf

From car seat info you provided: height - 30 inches or less or top of head is at least and inch below the top of the seat back

from bottom of car seat where rump is to top of car seat inside measurement 19 1/4" -- 1 foot 7 1/4 inches is what Grimstead testified his measurements were

Cooper from Crown-rump length: 14"

**so by these measurements, he fit the requirements. JMHO **Not arguing, I wanted to turn my big little grandson around because of his long legs and his RN mom had a fit, I don't remember all the WHYS lol but cough in my car I turned him around.. shhh that was few years ago but she still doesn't know lol

 

[arkansasmimi]

Isn't 22 lbs small for a 22-month old? I've known 9-12 month olds who weigh that.


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I have one grandson who weight 7 lbs at birth, at 3 months old lol was size of a 9 month old lol. He is very tall, just turned 5 and 2 in taller than his short 7 year old cousin. Yet same 5 yr olds little sister will be 4 in January and is probably about 22#s very petite. Guess genetics? I dont know lol