TRIAL - Ross Harris #1

[arkansasmimi]

It's so interesting how people see things differently. I thought the younger attorney (the one w/ the glasses, if that's who you mean) was grating to watch. He incessantly asked the same questions over and over, getting the same answers over and over. (IMO, of course.) I was thinking. "we GET IT, move on!!!" I thought the other two have done a much better job. That's what makes juries so interesting, IMO. We have no idea how they are seeing and interpreting any of this. For me, it makes watching a trial stressful/amazing. Watching all these pieces presented or exposed, being anxious, not caring for certain presentations, etc. I can't imagine being on this jury and how exhausting it must be!

Kind of off topic, sorry!

JMHO, since the Jury has to be there and listen to this, I do hope they are paying attention and taking good notes. Agree we have no idea how they are seeing and interpreting any of this. But if they are watching and paying attention (as they are tasked to do) they will see the discrepancies from the testimony vs how it is presented. How they look at or align them once they finally get to the Deliberation point (which is still a long ways away) will be when important .. the full trial testimony and evidence and on the charges. JMHO From looking at who makes up the Jury, appears few have served on jury prior. Will make a difference too - what the difference will be not sure, just thinking they will take good notes to reflect back on. JMHO

Reason he continued to ask same questions over and over is because he did not reflect in his report if he searched for stuff that was being alleged in the iirc 23 various SW. JMHO he should have noted that he searched and then the result of that search. That is not what he did. From his very own testimony he did not remember exactly what he looked at but if he did look and found he noted.

Def Rodriguez did a very good job of getting this on the record and if you go back an look at Boring he is completely rattled.

Yeager testified he did a full extractio to RH iPhone on 7/15/14. A Subset Report was done on 7/20/14 and Subset Report on 7/25/14. The Witness did a Report on 1/23/2015 of the FULL 7/15/14 iPhone Extraction. YET the State only entered into evidence on Direct the SUBSET REPORT from 7/25/14. State did NOT admit the Witness Report of Full Extraction dated 1/23/15.

In his reports it only showed 42 Chats and 42 messages on RH Laptop.On THIS report it only showed of those IM's and Kic, nothing about Whisper App. Whisper is not included in this Report. Met with a PI at the DA office because INV had him to. He testifies PI did not tell him that the Red Whisper message was not created by RH.

There was a 2nd Extraction from the iPhone 5S done in Jan 2015. Per the Witness Yeager it was admitted into evidence. Def questioned that (not sure if the Def was aware or not). Yeager did 2nd Extraction Jan 2015 (my understanding not positive on that but think so) and gave the Evidence Control Sheet evidence #. He did not do a report on the 2nd Extraction so he does not know the difference between first one (7/15/14) and second Extraction from RH iPhone 5S.

There is a lot of very important information from this witness testimony. But JMHO one has to listen to the actual questions and the responses. The State objected many times and I was shocked that the Judge actually over rulled most all.

 

[arkansasmimi]

As an aside, about the possible relevance to this trial of RH sexting with a minor.

IIRC, in one pretrial hearing or another the State asserted that RH had searched for information on what laws he was breaking by sexting her, and the penalties for being convicted on those charges. IMO the search he allegedly did on "surviving in prison" was related to the sexting.


If all the above is true, then RH continued sexting with a minor after he was fully aware that he could well end up in prison if caught. And, he not only continued sexting with her, but became more and more bold about it, including sending a photo of his genitals and requesting that she send him an explicit photo of herself.

And, though he had the IT expertise to conceal this activity if he chose, he did not, and neither did he attempt to erase this activity after the fact.

What does that say about RH, if anything, that is relevant to the charges against him about harming Cooper?

Agree. But so far in this trial, the last witness Yeager, testified he did not find anything as a search on any of the electronics about surviving in prison. Still possible another IT person will testify to that or someone else. This witness did a report on 1/23/15 of the full first extraction. But for some reason the State did not enter that report rather entered the 7/25/14 Subset Report. Hoping they clarify this further investigation by other means. Still not sure why the State chose not to enter the Full also if nothing else. JMHO

 

[arkansasmimi]

I am sorry to keep butting in but I am torn. On one hand my ex was in IT and he was VERY good at hiding infidelity in his phone so why is Ross leaving it out in the open for the investigation to find? But on the other, and some of the reason I lean toward guilty, is the comments by himself and his wife. "Malicious intent", "Did you say too much?". Not noticing ANY smell??? Decomp aside. A dirty diaper in a hot car??? That would stink to high heaven. I don't know what to think but there needs to be severe punishment. And like, I believe GA Peach said, he can be found guilty of felony murder if not premeditated. I have a 1 year old, 3 year old, and a 4 year old. I personally can't wrap my head around "forgetting" your child especially in that time frame, but even if he did "forget" there needs to be an example set. Moo.

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For some reason there was only urine in the diaper. I was shocked to see that, I thought surely his bowels would have emptied at least some. And that truly would smell at that high temp the AR shows.

So far we don't know what the full cell phone extraction showed. I remember following the George Zimmerman trial and learning about Cellebrite. They found hidden folders with some not so good images and messages. Reason why TM chose to "hide" them for his own viewing is understandable. Just meaning that was such an interesting part of that trial for me, not realizing about that technology then. But so far the testimony from Yeager on this phone has been a true let down in a way. Hopefully there was a report done on the 2nd extraction with new release of upgrade to Cellebrite since the 7/15/14 extraction. They should be able to pull lots of stuff from that iphone.

 

[arkansasmimi]

I Googled "crown to rump" and "rump to heel" measurements. They are measurements used to determine the gestational age of an embryo or fetus, which explains why the numbers don't match. I have no idea why the measurements were included for a 22 month old toddler. Perhaps the ME took those measurements because of Cooper's body position due to rigormortis - remember, his legs were bent from sitting in the car seat. Hopefully he will explain when he testifies.

Regardless, the relevant measurement is the overall length - aka height. According to the autopsy report Cooper was 33" in length.

http://www.babymed.com/fetus-crown-rump-length-crl-measurements-ultrasound
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown-rump_length

First time I have seen this kind of measurements broken down like this. Like you I am assuming it is because he was in the car seat. JMHO it is important in the fact of whether RH could possibly seen top of his head from front seat looking back. Important because the State is making it important part of their case. Overall height I do understand but in this case if the measurements are true, and they have been testified under oath as true (car seat measurements). We have not gotten to the ME part yet, so there very well could have been an amended AR. .

Def asked Former CSI who did the measurements if he pressed down the tape measure when down into the car seat he stated no. JMHO Def point was that the weight of Cooper would have made him sink down into the padding just a little if nothing else, thus changing the difference of crown of Cooper head to the top of the car seat. But with out that the numbers from the AR that we have access to, and the measurements testified in court, from his bottom sitting in his car seat to the top of the car seat is still 5 1/4 inches. The photo of the doll placed in and photos taken (I took ss from when Pros was holding up and had them admitted said if the jury was going to see some should see others) but that photo was not accurate because the measurements of the car seat did not match orig placement. Verified by testimony of the witness who on cross was shown evidence. The reenactment photo had the tilt extended and made the car seat lean more downward and visible from drivers side door looking in. The view and angle is totally different of the car seat (setting/placement view) Cooper had been sitting in when he died.

 

[arkansasmimi]

JMHO from my observations watching the Trial, taking notes and then re-watching the testimony thus far. This kind of thing has happened with every witness thus far. These examples are this week and will explain why in next post.

If you listen to all 3 of the Def Attorneys in this case, they are different as a group than I have ever seen as a whole. They don't yell more even toned, don't show their hand, have questioned the witness and made them kinda lower their defense and at ease to feel confident in their Direct testimony, then the Attorney comes back and ask strategic questions. Each one may sound not important to some but if you have paid attention to prior testimony, and a lot to the current witness testimony you can figure out why they asked the question.

Def Ludwig (the attorney with balding) how he did just real calm in questioning Grimstead over the measurements. Even gave him photos, one being Def entered Exhibit of the 7/2/14 that Grimstead took. He verified yes, he took photo (authenticated) Ludwig asked if Grimstead noticed any differences in the 2 photos.. handle up, evidence tag... then Ludwig asked him about his 2 reports and what he used to place the car seat just as it was 6/18/14. Grimstead said he used his notes and reports not a diagram. Ludwig even had Grimstead show the jury his diagram and explain it to them. THEN he pointed out that Grimstead did not use the measurements from floorboard to the top of the car seat to verify the same as 6/18/14. The tilt was extended in Grimstead photos, leaning the seat back.

State on ReDirect, clearly rattled put other State Exhibits in of the doll in the car and had Grimstead authenticate. Evans said if the Def wanted to put some photos in with the doll only fair to put others. Def Ludwig got Grimstead to authenticate these were taken 7/2/14, and Ludwig said ok don't see what going to change. Admitted in. Then Evans pulled the tilt fully engaged and asked Grimstead how much difference would it make. Grimstead said 4 inches (lol the amount the tilt extended approx,) State said about 1 inch, Def objected because Grimstead had already said 4 inches. But what State was getting at would drop the measurement down about 1 inch (lower it to the view of the driver/front area view) May not seem important but it is, because it is not factual to the 6/18/14 measurements and view.

Def Carlos Rodriguez (thin attorney with glasses) He got Yeager the head person over High Tech Forensics Unit (or whatever it called) to admit under Cross that the State did not go over his Full Report on Direct but entered it into evidence. He said that the disc when shown was an ORIG. Testified that there were 2 Extractions done and he did a 2nd Extraction Jan 2015 on the iPhone 5S of RH, but Yeager did not do a report on it. He does not know what the difference is between the 2 Extractions. Told the Evidence Control Sheet number of the 2nd Extraction entered into evidence. *Yeager report was not a complete report of all data on RH iPhone.

With the prostitute, Kilgore came back on re cross and asked about the officers. Witness was way relaxed and testified that 1 uniformed, 1 not (Stoddard) and the Hispanic (Det Ralph Escamillo who is up next) She testified that the Hispanic assured her "they were not there to arrest her for the prostitution, they were cops but not that kind of cops, they were different and there for something else". That she told them she had the pot, but it was not out in view, they didn't see or ask to see but she said very evident because could smell and that why she fessed up off the bat.

 

[arkansasmimi]

ROFL sorry but that is strategic as heck! :thinking: why would the State want to take home 4 Orig Extractions and the Car seat? Shouldn't they already know everything about those pieces? I in know way think the Def wanted to take the iPhone home to examine for the weekend, but it caused the State to play their hand. :facepalm:

AFTER jury was excused on Friday 10/14/16,
The State wanted to take "States evidence home for the weekend" Evidence that has already been entered into record.
wanted to take home for weekend for review: 4 Extraction disc and the car seat.

Def said well we want to take the iPhone 5S.

State:No that is State Evidence and your welcome to look at it and even power it up in front of someone from our office/LEO representatives but it States Evidence. Doen't want their evidence messed up or lost or changed in any way (paraphrasing but that is point)..

Def argued that once Evidence has been admitted into the record it no longer becomes property of the State or Def. It is custudy of the Court. That is one of the duties of the Court Clerk. It was orig evidence and was kept by the Clerk for safe keeping. So that can not be lost, changed, erased so forth in any fashion. Def said State has copies ...

State said that the Witnesses would be testifying not to copies but to the orig. (BUT lol the Orig have already been placed and recorded into evidence)

Judge agreed with the Defense. If State is going to need to use the Evidence that been entered to refresh with Witness going to have to make arrangements with the Clerk.

THEN, in ref to the LEO Report of Gallimore

State just wanted to make a Stipulation and not require the Judge to make a statement to the jury of it being admitted.

Def Kilgore, stated that Jury heard him speak of it, heard the State obj and then heard the Judge sustain the objection as if Def had done something wrong. Judge again agreed with the Def and will tell the Jury first thing Monday, that Judge has (paraphrasing didn't write it down verbatim but will be told on Monday) That she has reconsidered the evidence and has reversed her ruling and that the Report of Gallimore is entered into evidence.

**JMHO this will also be done to Stoddard for sure.

 

[magnolia]

Have you ever accidentally left a wet diaper in a hot car for several hours? My husband did once, and when we got back to the car after a nice day at Disneyland, it smelled horrid.

It is really hard for me to believe that when he first cracked open the car door, it did not smell like wet diapers etc. That is a small car.

In this case, there are different factors that might effect the intensity of the smell in regards to the wet diaper.Your example is different because the diaper your hubby left in your car had been removed from your child and exposed to air for a period of time. IMO

 

[Hope4More]

June 18. (from search warrants, and from DT's Motions to Suppress Evidence

4:24pm. LE arrives, and shortly afterwards requests CAP respond to the scene; already being termed not just a crime scene, but a homicide investigation.

RH is detained in a patrol car, then taken to the station and questioned. LE seized his iPhone at the scene. I can't find a time for when RH arrived at the station, but Detective Murphy began requesting search warrants no later than around 7:30, and possibly as early as 7pm.

The search warrants list the triggering crimes as 1st degree child cruelty and felony murder, which means they suspected (at the very least) that RH intended to kill Cooper.

Murphy requested and was granted 8 warrants over the time period of 7-7:30 (approx) to 10:42pm. The warrants granted were for the house, computers, and car, including the taking of measurements within, and examination of the car seat.

The very last warrant granted was for RH's cell phone (10:42pm), the only item of everything being requested that LE already had in their possession, at the station, brought in by Piper when she arrived with RH.

RH was arrested around 10pm.

Kilgore alleged in his Dec 8, 2015 motion to suppress evidence that LE had illegally searched RH's phone BEFORE they were given permission via granted warrant, and that what LE had found on the phone had in fact driven their requests for search warrants.

 

[Hope4More]

June 18 search warrants-- LE's narrative.

Details were added or amended over the 3-4 hours during which the 8 search warrants were being requested.

All warrants for the 18th state that RH performed CPR on Cooper. The initial version was simply that (RH) did CPR. Later versions read: " began doing CPR, when a bystander came to assist, he stopped providing medical assistance to the child and began making calls on his cell phone."

There is, by the way, no mention in the warrants of RH acting oddly, or of any altercation with LE, or of RH being detained.

Here again is what Murphy swore to in the warrants about RH's "searches" : (RH) recently researched, through the internet, child deaths inside vehicles, and the temp necessary for that to occur."

 

[Hope4More]

The next large batch of search warrants were requested and granted to Murphy on June 24, all carrying the charge of 2nd degree cruelty and FM.

These warrants targeted each of RH and LH's "electronic devices" individually. All are already in police custody, having been seized after the June 18th warrants were issued.

LE's investigative focus is suggested by what Murphy indicates they're searching for: everything related to their financial situation; life insurance; correspondence in every medium relating to child, family, wife issues; correspondence leading up to and on date Cooper died; online searches for "car seat" and "car deaths."

LE 's narrative on June 24 has been amended (ok, altered), and expanded. Note what's different from what was stated on the 18th to obtain access to, well, everything.

CPR. RH was witnessed pulling Cooper out of the car (by himself), and "appeared to briefly attempt CPR before a bystander attempted life-saving measures (RH then went off to make phone calls).

The researching. "RH had recently viewed a television show concerning child deaths in cars. He also stated he had researched the issue of deaths in cars on the internet."

Additions to the narrative:

(LE stated in interview that ) RH claimed he was happily married, but "evidence of inappropriate sexual contact with other women has been obtained."

(Note-from what source? They are with these warrants just now asking to search this kind of info on electronic devices).

The car seat. "RH knew make and model and WEIGHT specs (emphasis mine, and there no mention of height). "

The seat has been inspected. "The straps were set on the lowest level for a small child."

 

[magnolia]

It's entirely possible that they didn't smell decomposition, and that's why they are saying they didn't. I don't think in this case its fair to assume they are being "really careful to avoid." Do you want them to say they smelled something they didn't? I have used the "smells like death" comment when describing a mouse that died in an air vent at work. It was a smell unlike anything I've smelled, but describing it as "decomposition" would have never crossed my mind.

** I am NOT comparing Cooper to a mouse.

It crossed Stoddard's mind because he used the word "decomposition" when describing the odor. An odor, my I add, that he smelled well over an hour after Cooper had been removed from the car. He used the word to describe the odor left by the deceased after being dead for an estimated five hours. I cannot believe the lead detective did not know any better. I started doubting this detective's credibility after listening to the AJC podcast #2. IMO

 

[arkansasmimi]

June 18. (from search warrants, and from DT's Motions to Suppress Evidence

4:24pm. LE arrives, and shortly afterwards requests CAP respond to the scene; already being termed not just a crime scene, but a homicide investigation.

RH is detained in a patrol car, then taken to the station and questioned. LE seized his iPhone at the scene. I can't find a time for when RH arrived at the station, but Detective Murphy began requesting search warrants no later than around 7:30, and possibly as early as 7pm.

The search warrants list the triggering crimes as 1st degree child cruelty and felony murder, which means they suspected (at the very least) that RH intended to kill Cooper.

Murphy requested and was granted 8 warrants over the time period of 7-7:30 (approx) to 10:42pm. The warrants granted were for the house, computers, and car, including the taking of measurements within, and examination of the car seat.

The very last warrant granted was for RH's cell phone (10:42pm), the only item of everything being requested that LE already had in their possession, at the station, brought in by Piper when she arrived with RH.

RH was arrested around 10pm.

Kilgore alleged in his Dec 8, 2015 motion to suppress evidence that LE had illegally searched RH's phone BEFORE they were given permission via granted warrant, and that what LE had found on the phone had in fact driven their requests for search warrants.

I just got through re watching the Dec 15, 2015 Suppression Hearing. Funny that you just posted this.

This is what is confusing to me, especially after hearing Yeager Trial testimony and then hearing his testimony from a Motions hearing
1st what is the difference in an Extraction and a phone dump? Are they not the same?

Trial Yeager said first full Extraction done 7/15/14 so maybe just did a partial?

6/20/14 9 pm Stoddard has contact with Angie K
6/24/14 & 6/27/14 SW were issued because of the 2 ladies
6/25/14 Stoddard testified was when he rec'd RH iPhone 5S **which is RH work phone

On Cross with Def Ludwig: So you did not look at RH phone anywhere pass the pass code screen after June 24th -NO
*I Cant figure out when or what time Yeager is suppose to have did the phone dump and gave Stoddard hard copy of it. Yeager does not "know" why or where he came up with Angie K and Stoddard some how knows about her to meet her at 9 pm. Per Stoddard no other detective looked in that phone to give Yeager the name of Angie K. (but it was one of the individuals that RH had spoken to on 6/18/14)

Stoddard got RH pass code from him prior to RH being able to speak with his wife. Stoddard still had the phone, RH never got it back.

Stoddard testified that he had mentioned getting some contact numbers out of RH phone during their conversation in the interview room ** JMHO Stoddard did go into that phone prior to getting a SW. And JMHO that is how he knew of Angie K to begin with.

*****Stoddard testified that a new technology had came out - another way to pull from phone and process. Has not rec'd the disc, having technical difficulties. This was 12/15/15. Is this the same disc that Yeager did Jan 2015 when new version of Cellebrite came out and Yeager gave the Evidence Control number? Or another one?

Yeager report from iPhone was not complete. Did not have all the info on it. Something not adding up. LOL No wonder the State wanted to take the 4 extractions home and review them over the weekend. ullhair: JMHO

 

[arkansasmimi]

And I also listened (some very hard to hear Kilgore as usual but could hear Evans on Direct) 10/3/2016 Hearing just prior to OS.

Testimony from the Prostitute Doerr and that of Det Ralph Escamillo.. are not jiving! So Monday should be interesting.
JMHO from re listening to testimony from 10/14/16 Doerr, and 10/3/16 of Det Escamillo :

* He prev worked in OCU (organized crime unit) has worked doing stings, they dealt with prostitutes among other things.
*He wore a wire that worked when he spoke to his support (the 2 LEO that were there with him - I misunderstood Stoddard was not one of those officers**)
*Something happened when they tried to transfer and copy the recording of the meeting with Doerr in her motel room :thinking:
*He testified he gave her $$ she accepted it and then he told her he was a cop, had his badge on belt loop
*She testified that he said he left his $$ in car and they went to the door was going to get it, but when open door there was a uniformed cop and another in plain clothes
*He read her her rights she gave them up freely
*He only showed her 1 photo, it was the book in photo but was cropped to just his face to see if she remembered him. He testified he only showed her 1 photo and then shredded it after the meeting. Which is against SOP (standard operating procedures per Kilgore)
*She testified room smelled of pot and she told them she had marijuana *not in view and no search done testified by both* but she was on probation in Cobb Cty for marijuana
Kilgore asked R.E. if he asked Doerr if she was high on marijuana
*He testified no, that she was answering questions clear and lucid
*She testified she was shell shocked and that answered because she thought was in her best interest.
*He testified that she met RH at Ramada
*She testified that she met RH at Econo Lodge
***Kilgore came back up and on ReCross: Had the witness state again that the Hispanic was her "date" and that they walked to the door and when opened door gig was up, 1 uniformed and 1 plain clothed was at door, and she assumed she was gone.
Were all 3 in room? yes
Which said you were not going to be arrested: Hispanic guy. I was very forth coming.
Kilgore: did you drive down today?
Doerr: no made the 5 1/2 hr drive last night
Kilgore : they nice enough to get you a hotel room
*believe she said yes *could misunderstood that
Kilgore: going back home tonight
Doerr: would like to, be with my baby. She was born 3 mo early
Kilgore: did you bring her with you?
Doerr: no she is almost 2 and no not going to do that, would you?
:thinking:

 

[Hoosgirl]

Going back to the smell issue, which seems to be such a point of contention, I came out to my car one morning last summer (I'm in NC, very hot and humid). The windows had been up all night. As soon as I opened the door, I was hit by the most horrendous smell. I really thought a mouse or something had got in the car and died. I opened everything up to air it out and went in search of the cause of the smell. The culprit? My 7 year old son had taken off his soccer socks after practice the night before, and one sweaty, balled up one had rolled under the passenger seat.

That's why I have no problem believing there was a strong smell in the car, whether from sweat or a pee diaper.

It aired our quickly with the doors open, but after being shut up again all day at work and with the sock removed, it was still there again when I opened up the car again that evening.

I remember laughing with all the other soccer moms about the smell of death in the car from that one sock.

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[arkansasmimi]

June 18. (from search warrants, and from DT's Motions to Suppress Evidence

4:24pm. LE arrives, and shortly afterwards requests CAP respond to the scene; already being termed not just a crime scene, but a homicide investigation.

RH is detained in a patrol car, then taken to the station and questioned. LE seized his iPhone at the scene. I can't find a time for when RH arrived at the station, but Detective Murphy began requesting search warrants no later than around 7:30, and possibly as early as 7pm.

The search warrants list the triggering crimes as 1st degree child cruelty and felony murder, which means they suspected (at the very least) that RH intended to kill Cooper.

Murphy requested and was granted 8 warrants over the time period of 7-7:30 (approx) to 10:42pm. The warrants granted were for the house, computers, and car, including the taking of measurements within, and examination of the car seat.

The very last warrant granted was for RH's cell phone (10:42pm), the only item of everything being requested that LE already had in their possession, at the station, brought in by Piper when she arrived with RH.

RH was arrested around 10pm.

Kilgore alleged in his Dec 8, 2015 motion to suppress evidence that LE had illegally searched RH's phone BEFORE they were given permission via granted warrant, and that what LE had found on the phone had in fact driven their requests for search warrants.

*Stoddard testified he got to the crime scene at 4:50 p.m.
* unsure what time RH got to the jail

You know how we all like to sleuth, do you not believe for one min that Stoddard was not looking up who those people were and those phone numbers? Prior to the SW? He had the passcode to RH phone prior to RH and his wife visiting. Not sure what time that was but needless to say he had it prior to the SW jmho

 

[blue22]

It crossed Stoddard's mind because he used the word "decomposition" when describing the odor. An odor, my I add, that he smelled well over an hour after Cooper had been removed from the car. He used the word to describe the odor left by the deceased after being dead for an estimated five hours. I cannot believe the lead detective did not know any better. I started doubting this detective's credibility after listening to the AJC podcast #2. IMO

And if all these witnesses that did smell something, were having their testimony coached to them...

Wouldn't they also say they smelled decomposition? Wouldn't they (or he) want uniformity in their testimony? Wouldn't they want witness testimony to reinforce Stoddard's testimony?

IMO, people described the smell differently, because that's what they thought they smelled.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Has RH iPhone 5S been entered into evidence? LOL if it has, then they can't do another extraction on it. I thinking it has been. Lawd I have to look and see if so lol
ETA: Scratch that, Def would not have asked to take it home if it were in evidence.
I did a fast Google search and it seems like it may take a few hours to do an extraction. :thinking: Thing is if the State were going to try do another it would show up with new current dates. They should darn well have that info already.

The way that Rodriguez kept asking questions and repeating what witness said Evidence that would help the State. (paraphrasing pretty close) Was there potential Brady violations?

 

[Hope4More]

I just got through re watching the Dec 15, 2015 Suppression Hearing. Funny that you just posted this.

This is what is confusing to me, especially after hearing Yeager Trial testimony and then hearing his testimony from a Motions hearing
1st what is the difference in an Extraction and a phone dump? Are they not the same?

Trial Yeager said first full Extraction done 7/15/14 so maybe just did a partial?

6/20/14 9 pm Stoddard has contact with Angie K
6/24/14 & 6/27/14 SW were issued because of the 2 ladies
6/25/14 Stoddard testified was when he rec'd RH iPhone 5S **which is RH work phone

On Cross with Def Ludwig: So you did not look at RH phone anywhere pass the pass code screen after June 24th -NO
*I Cant figure out when or what time Yeager is suppose to have did the phone dump and gave Stoddard hard copy of it. Yeager does not "know" why or where he came up with Angie K and Stoddard some how knows about her to meet her at 9 pm. Per Stoddard no other detective looked in that phone to give Yeager the name of Angie K. (but it was one of the individuals that RH had spoken to on 6/18/14)

Stoddard got RH pass code from him prior to RH being able to speak with his wife. Stoddard still had the phone, RH never got it back.

Stoddard testified that he had mentioned getting some contact numbers out of RH phone during their conversation in the interview room ** JMHO Stoddard did go into that phone prior to getting a SW. And JMHO that is how he knew of Angie K to begin with.

*****Stoddard testified that a new technology had came out - another way to pull from phone and process. Has not rec'd the disc, having technical difficulties. This was 12/15/15. Is this the same disc that Yeager did Jan 2015 when new version of Cellebrite came out and Yeager gave the Evidence Control number? Or another one?

Yeager report from iPhone was not complete. Did not have all the info on it. Something not adding up. LOL No wonder the State wanted to take the 4 extractions home and review them over the weekend. ullhair: JMHO

IMO it is entirely clear that LE went into RH's phone during the time he was being interviewed. What I also think is clear is that LE did indeed immediately, as in minutes after arriving at the scene, believe RH murdered Cooper.

Don't know if that was even before RH was detained, but IMO, I'm increasingly suspicious they made that leap because RH cursed at them when asked to get off the phone. Remember- not one word in the warrants about RH acting "suspicious" or "unemotional" or the like, or the fact he was detained.

LE detained RH, and took his phone. They thought he was talking with someone rather than staying by his son's side, and they obviously thought that was suspicious. Note their developing narrative about RH and CPR- last take, brief CPR, stopped trying to save Cooper, jumped onto his phone. (May help explain why they came down so hard on Ms. Gray. They had been sooooo sure there was something deeply hinky about that call.)

LE had his phone. RH wasn't telling them what they wanted or expected to hear, or hears what they want to hear, including about that internet research, or..they take what he said about watching a TV show and clicking on a vet PSA and twist his words to come up with what was unquestionably the most incendiary piece of "evidence" in the search warrants, not to mention, if one looks at the thing...the ONLY piece of "evidence" in the warrant applications.

I think they looked at his phone, saw that he had been sexting all day, and believed they had found their motive. I imagine they were convinced on the 18th that their search warrants would give them access to evidence aplenty, enough to bury that little slight exaggeration about RH's searches.

What's interesting IMO is that Murphy backpedalled on that research thing on June 24's warrants. Note the change in claims about what RH told them he researched. Why was that?

The focus instead was on financial motivations, marital problems, and narrowing in on the car seat as evidence of intent, this time excuse me, lying flat out about the strap settings.

LE "went big" within hours on the 18th, and IMO much of what came next and next was about doing whatever they had to do to rationalize their original crossing of lines and rush to judgement.

 

[magnolia]

And if all these witnesses that did smell something, were having their testimony coached to them...

Wouldn't they also say they smelled decomposition? Wouldn't they (or he) want uniformity in their testimony? Wouldn't they want witness testimony to reinforce Stoddard's testimony?

IMO, people described the smell differently, because that's what they thought they smelled.

My post was not about the other witnesses. It was about Detective Stoddard and his testimony.

 

[Hope4More]

I'm trying to put together a timeline, including LE's trial testimony, to figure out "what LE knew and when they knew it."

RH wasn't indicted until Sept 5, 2014, and his bond/probable cause hearing not until September 24, 2014. LE knew by then that eyewitness testimony didn't support their supposition RH had acted oddly at the scene. What did they know by then of RH's (didn't make them) searches?

LE's entrapment of D. the prostitute happened in Sept. 2014. IMO that suggests LE knew by then how unsupportable their case was for intent, and that they had already begun working on the bad character angle. Jmo