Trial - Ross Harris #2

[blue22]

I can't understand what I said that has you replying to me about timestamps. I'm truly baffled. I'm talking about the content of the texts. Maybe you weren't here last night when I posted a timeline for the texts, the same times and same texts brought into evidence today? And the times related to his driving and parking, and commented on all that a number of times?

See above. I edited my post to include that I didn't mean to quote your post.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

...I have a more sinister theory about why LH went through with the divorce, especially since the divorce was finalized around the start of the original trial.

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[arkansasmimi]

Here's the thing, time stamps from networks are time stamps. You cannot manipulate that. It's not an interpretation. The time is the time.

We know when RH pulled into the parking lot, and we know when the network time stamped his conversation on the phone. Are you suggesting that they altered the time of Chickfila, home depot, and somehow managed to alter information gathered from a network...that they have no time stamp access to?

I suppose one can debate the interpretation of the contents of their communications. However, network time stamping is one thing that just is.

it says next to the time (UTC -4) so has it already been subtracted and that the time? or do you subtract 4 hours from that time?

 

[blue22]

it says next to the time (UTC -4) so has it already been subtracted and that the time? or do you subtract 4 hours from that time?

Are you talking about the chickfila video?

ETA: Nevermind. I thought in testimony they talked about this regarding Chikfila, which is why I was confused. -4 would be in the HD parking lot

 

[cricket49]

But I didn't see the Defense saying they had a problem with the timing. They seemed to agree that it took place that morning. If it had been a different time, wouldn't they have made that a BIG deal?

That is why my original post I asked if the time stamps were correct since there was testimony today about times being off. (with different witnesses) I did not watch the testimony carefully today and was just checking to make sure these times WERE correct. If so, this is BAD for Ross as it shows he was preoccupied when he pulled into the parking lot and left Cooper in the car.

 

[just the facts pls]

The time stamps are correct.

Eastern Daylight Savings Time is -4 UTC, meaning that the conversation happened right before Cooper was left in the car to die.

It's undeniable - JRH was not thinking about anything else other than escaping his family at the moment Cooper's fate was sealed.

 

[PaperDoll]

I'm going in the opposite direction. IMO what the State is presenting for intent is smoke and mirrors, shell games, and bad character diversions.

They're making a strong case for criminal negligence, but imo the rest is about inflaming jurors to loathe RH. Sure hope jurors all told the truth in voir dire they could be impartial and base their decision on fact, not emotion.

BBM: The State is presenting facts about Ross. The jurors need to know why Ross said he "thought" he took Cooper to day care that day when in fact he didn't. So the facts on Ross's character should be presented to the jurors so they can decide. It's still facts and IMO has a lot to do with this trial (Cooper's death).. JMO!

 

[Hope4More]

Don't see any posts relating to points of a timeline Ms. Y's testimony revealed, but for one, Leanna was out of town with Cooper when RH struck up his texting/sexting with her on June 3 and still was on June 6.

 

[cricket49]

Screenshots of the messages between Ross - shown as "Unknown" and alwaysinmyfeelings from the Whisper app.

This was occurring during breakfast at Chick-Fil-A and also in the parking lot after Ross parked the morning of 6-18-2014. Last response from Ross was at 9:24:28am. While Cooper was strapped in his outgrown car seat, just inches away from Ross.

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This was posted earlier.

 

[just the facts pls]

I think the Defense came off as bullies. There was no need to slowly and painfully make her acknowledge each photo she sent that day. It was all about humilition and shaming, imo. Not a good look for them.

And they did it while arguing that JRH was just doing normal stuff and just "struggling" with his sexual urges.

 

[just the facts pls]

Busted? Shamed for coming to court to give evidence, is what it is. He's the one screwing around in his marriage.

You post is reminiscent of 'wife targets female husband's cheating with' as opposed to the guilty husband, stance. I've never understood that tack.

Thank you. JRH was the one who took the vows, and he is responsible for what he does within his own marriage.

If he wanted to screw around then he could have gotten a divorce and set up visitation and child support for Cooper.

People acting like JRH has no agency is just insulting at this point.

 

[katydid23]

I did not think Kilgore was shaming or too aggressive when going after the woman who was sexting with Ross and sending x-rated pics back and forth. I watched Juan Martinez in the Jodi Arias trial chew the States witnesses up and spit them out. (Go Juan!) Kilgore was a kitten compared to Juan.

Yes, but those were witnesses trying to testify in support of the killer, IIRC. As you can see, I am a verified Juanette....:juanettes:.....

But I don't think this was the same thing. This witness was not trying to harm anyone, she was just called to testify about the texts.

 

[just the facts pls]

They are spending a whole lot of time on this witnesses background and work history----wonder if there are going to be questions about his abilities/competence coming up?

I wonder this too, because the running theme of defending JRH has been "aw shucks, he's just a dumb lummox" which makes no sense to me.

I could understand that if JRH was flunky mouth breather who stood behind a fast food counters his entire adult career - but he's not. He works as a web programmer. He worked as a 911 operator. He's capable of holding down a job. He's capable of lying to his wife, friends, co-workers, and day care teachers and living a double life. Per his own defense attorney, he's a self-admitted "information junkie" that googles everything.

There is no reason for me to believe he is stupid. Quite the contrary. All evidence points to JRH reaping the rewards of adulthood the same as anyone else.

 

[katydid23]

I'm going in the opposite direction. IMO what the State is presenting for intent is smoke and mirrors, shell games, and bad character diversions.

They're making a strong case for criminal negligence, but imo the rest is about inflaming jurors to loathe RH. Sure hope jurors all told the truth in voir dire they could be impartial and base their decision on fact, not emotion.

I disagree. I see no smoke and mirrors. From what I understood from today's witnesses, Dad was totally consumed with texting/sexting starting at 6am that very morning. He was texting on Whisper while he was having his so called 'daddy/son' breakfast. He was texting in the parking lot, and as he drove off to his son's gruesome death.

Very hard for me to look past that reckless, brutal disregard for his son. One of the last texts he sent before locking the boy in his car was ' I love my son and all, but we both need a break sometimes...' :sigh:

 

[just the facts pls]

My take away from today is that Ross' buddies are angry. They had just finished legally establishing their new business of web design and maintenance when Ross up and got himself arrested. Ross used them like he used the prostitutes. His buddies never spoke to the LEO or the DT after their initial interviews. They did not write to Ross nor call him in jail. I dare to think they are repulsed by Ross' actions.

The piano guy is 23yo but was 21yo when he was stuck in holding with Ross. Ross acted like he was at a baseball game with a pal and not as if he had just left the frightening scene of his own son lying dead on the hot asphalt. Why weren't Ross' hands covering his face in tears, grief, shame and fear? Noooo. He sat back and propped his arm on the back of the seat ready for the next inning.

After viewing the scene when RH was dropped off after lunch by his SUV in the parking lot, a member of Chat conducted an experiment. She took a package of lightbulbs, placed them in a plastic bag and handed them to her SIL. She asked him to open the driver's car door and put the bag of lightbulbs inside the car. He ducked and peeked inside as he placed the lightbulbs in the car. He told her later that he didn't want to break any of her lightbulbs. He did not know that she was snapping his photo during this experiment. Another member asked her boyfriend to do the same. Both men were about 6' tall. He also ducked his head. We determined it was unnatural to hold one's head above the top of the car, as Ross did, when tossing an item into the vehicle, especially breakable items.

I got the same impression. His friends seemed less cooperative with the defense than they were with the prosecution.

Thanks for posting about the experiment - I am also having a hard time believing anyone would chuck light bulbs anywhere (even in a car) especially since light bulbs can cost up to twenty dollars for energy saving florescent.

 

[just the facts pls]

About the bolded portion above----hard to believe they would assert that Cooper was asleep. How can they assert anything about Cooper when they are claiming that RH 'forgot' he was even there?

Also, how can they assert anything when it's the teacher's testimony that Cooper was an outgoing and talkative child? It's like they are creating their own version of reality.

 

[Hope4More]

I disagree. I see no smoke and mirrors. From what I understood from today's witnesses, Dad was totally consumed with texting/sexting starting at 6am that very morning. He was texting on Whisper while he was having his so called 'daddy/son' breakfast. He was texting in the parking lot, and as he drove off to his son's gruesome death.

Very hard for me to look past that reckless, brutal disregard for his son. One of the last texts he sent before locking the boy in his car was ' I love my son and all, but we both need a break sometimes...' :sigh:

Katy, we keep agreeing that we agree, and then you assume I don't agree, about criminal negligence, that is.

The smoke and mirrors I'm referring to are about intent. The recreation of how hot the car is just the latest example. My DH is a (civil) trial attorney. I know all about how each side can manipulate expert reports and expert witness testimony, including by essentially shaping the results of the investigation/interview /experiment/report they want the expert to undertake. The question asked determines the reply given.

It's common practice, but juries don't know that. Smoke and mirrors.

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And, I think it's entirely healthy and normal and fine for parents to need "escapes" from their kids and spouse, escapes I understand to be just another word for "break."

Doesn't have anything in the world to do with not loving either kids or spouse, it just means needing time and opportunity to continue being one's own self on one's own. Nothing new about the idea at all, think girls' night out, etc. etc.

 

[Maisiebelle]

I recall Leanna's comment about Ross having left Cooper in the car and figured that he had done this before. I really didn't see anything sinister about it at the time. I never left DD alone in the car for any reason, and I don't think she'd leave her own children alone in a vehicle, either. That said, I think there are likely times when parents choose to do this if a child is asleep or when the weather is bad and it's just easier to lock the car to run a quick errand.

Leanna's comment only took on a more ominous tone for me when I began to question whether or not she and/or Ross had actually discussed leaving Cooper in a hot car deliberately to get him out of their lives. I guess that's what this case is really about, and a jury will determine if Ross intentionally left Cooper to die in a hot car.

I just have a really hard time believing anyone could be such a monster. To leave your child to die in such a horrific way. I'm not naive though. I know these things happen. It just shocks me to my core when they do.


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[PaperDoll]

Does anyone know if Ross took Cooper to day care from June 3rd - June 17th? I do listen to some of the trial when I have a chance, but I also fast forward through all the boring stuff :blushing: Yeah, I do.. I try to listen on You Tube so I can do just that.. :crazy: So I may have missed some things..

 

[PaperDoll]

Katy, we keep agreeing that we agree, and then you assume I don't agree, about criminal negligence, that is.

The smoke and mirrors I'm referring to are about intent. The recreation of how hot the car is just the latest example. My DH is a (civil) trial attorney. I know all about how each side can manipulate expert reports and expert witness testimony, including by essentially shaping the results of the investigation/interview /experiment/report they want the expert to undertake. The question asked determines the reply given.

It's common practice, but juries don't know that. Smoke and mirrors.

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And, I think it's entirely healthy and normal and fine for parents to need "escapes" from their kids and spouse, escapes I understand to be just another word for "break."

Doesn't have anything in the world to do with not loving either kids or spouse, it just means needing time and opportunity to continue being one's own self on one's own. Nothing new about the idea at all, think girls' night out, etc. etc.

I agree that married couples need a break from one another, and even from the kids, but from everything I've heard this far about Ross, He took a lot of breaks.. just sayin :hand: