Trial - Ross Harris #2

[ScotAng]

That is huge if the state can establish that he actually forgot him once before. If so, there is NO EXCUSE for it to happen again. NONE. He did nothing to prevent it from happening again, like a post it note, or the baby bag in front seat, or his briefcase in the back seat, etc.

Right. Though that could be explained along the lines of RH forgetting to pick him up from Daycare at a certain time, where Cooper is in a safe environment.

That they had this particular 'conversation' only the day before, speaks volumes to me.

 

[Jinkasaurus]

I find myself wondering if RH has ever been diagnosed with ADHD. I will be curious to hear what his wife says about his habits in terms of being forgetful, distracted, impulsive, etc. I would also be curious about if any sort of addictive tendencies run in his family.

(before anyone jumps on me, ADHD would not be an "excuse" for what he did - I am merely trying to understand the guy; and second, it goes without saying that just because someone has ADHD does not mean they would leave their child in a hot car, so no one here who might have ADHD (or who has other family members who do) needs to feel defensive about this question)

 

[katydid23]

Right. Though that could be explained along the lines of RH forgetting to pick him up from Daycare at a certain time, where Cooper is in a safe environment.

That they had this particular 'conversation' only the day before, speaks volumes to me.

True. But even if he just forgot to pick him up, it would be a major clue that he needed to do something about his 'forgetfulness.' Remember that whole thing about him sending his wife a pic of him dropping his kid off every day? That is actually a big clue, imo. I think she was worried he was going to do something like forgetting him even then.

 

[blue22]

Katy, we keep agreeing that we agree, and then you assume I don't agree, about criminal negligence, that is.

The smoke and mirrors I'm referring to are about intent. The recreation of how hot the car is just the latest example. My DH is a (civil) trial attorney. I know all about how each side can manipulate expert reports and expert witness testimony, including by essentially shaping the results of the investigation/interview /experiment/report they want the expert to undertake. The question asked determines the reply given.

It's common practice, but juries don't know that. Smoke and mirrors.

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And, I think it's entirely healthy and normal and fine for parents to need "escapes" from their kids and spouse, escapes I understand to be just another word for "break."

Doesn't have anything in the world to do with not loving either kids or spouse, it just means needing time and opportunity to continue being one's own self on one's own. Nothing new about the idea at all, think girls' night out, etc. etc.

I agree that parents need breaks. No issue there.

But, his life was a break! He was having sex with people on the side, texting constantly, trying to have sex while his wife was asleep, having sex on vacation, was glued to his apps. He WAS escaping his life for most of it. Very little of his life was actually about his family, unless someone was around to pretend the family man in front of. His life was about ROSS and what he wanted. No bigger break than that. He didn't want a break. He wanted to not even be there. IMO.

I'm sure we'll have to agree to disagree on this.

 

[matou]

Leanna texted Ross not to forget Cooper? The day before???? No wonder she wanted the photo of him to prove Cooper made it to daycare. No wonder she already knew that he left Cooper in the car. He did it on purpose. No way he would forget. How horrible. Disgusting. She must go over it over and over again. She should have called the daycare, called or texted Ross to ask him, etc etc. It's ridiculous really. Like a mom telling her kid "whatever you do , don't forget to blah blah blah" and the answer is yeah yeah, no problem and the thing doesn't happen......now a baby is DEAD. Did he do it because he hated Leanna so much? She wouldn't divorce him. Argh.......

 

[Kadoober]

I don't think it is that good for him. If he was preoccupied with a sick parent or a pending IRS audit, then it might be helpful to him to create sympathy and understanding that he was distracted.

But these texts/sexts started at 6 am. So he was CHOOSING to be distracted and focussed on something besides caring for his toddler.

If a child drowns in a pool, and it is because a parent is playing a video game or on social media, they usually go to jail for manslaughter. This is very similar. I don't think we can say he 'forgot' if in fact, he was choosing to do something that took all of his attention away from HIS LEGAL RESPONSIBILITY to care for his baby.

I agree with this whole post. I only meant "good" in the sense that it leaves the door open for something other than "I am going to leave Cooper in the car to die today" as his thought process.

And for the record, I am not at all certain that wasn't his thought process.

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[just the facts pls]

If JRH had forgotten Cooper before, it makes me wonder if he tried killing him before and didn't succeed.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Leanna texted Ross not to forget Cooper? The day before???? No wonder she wanted the photo of him to prove Cooper made it to daycare. No wonder she already knew that he left Cooper in the car. He did it on purpose. No way he would forget. How horrible. Disgusting. She must go over it over and over again. She should have called the daycare, called or texted Ross to ask him, etc etc. It's ridiculous really. Like a mom telling her kid "whatever you do , don't forget to blah blah blah" and the answer is yeah yeah, no problem and the thing doesn't happen......now a baby is DEAD. Did he do it because he hated Leanna so much? She wouldn't divorce him. Argh.......

Prosecutor is going to rip Leanna to shreds during cross.

 

[blue22]

Prosecutor is going to rip Leanna to shreds during cross.

I just hope she tells the complete truth...

 

[alwaysonmymind]

Home Depot cameras have Ross pulling in the parking lot at 9:25:17am. Less than 1 minute after replying to the post on Whisper.

Is this time accurate?

https://youtu.be/dqU4GsANk4Q


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[katydid23]

Prosecutor is going to rip Leanna to shreds during cross.

They have to walk a thin line though. They cannot really 'beat up' a grieving mother. So they have to be careful, imo.

 

[blue22]

They have to walk a thin line though. They cannot really 'beat up' a grieving mother. So they have to be careful, imo.

I agree. I think how they approach her cross, will depend on how she comes across on direct. (assuming the prosecution doesn't call her first.) I don't see the prosecutor(s) being a needless bully like Kilgore was today, though. It will be very, very interesting to see how that testimony happens.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

They have to walk a thin line though. They cannot really 'beat up' a grieving mother. So they have to be careful, imo.

I agree. That said, Leanna came across as rather cocky and haughty in interviews I saw early in the case. That kind of attitude might not sit well with jurors. I know I wouldn't like it, grieving mother or not. :moo:

 

[GA_Peach]

Leanna texted Ross not to forget Cooper? The day before???? No wonder she wanted the photo of him to prove Cooper made it to daycare. No wonder she already knew that he left Cooper in the car. He did it on purpose. No way he would forget. How horrible. Disgusting. She must go over it over and over again. She should have called the daycare, called or texted Ross to ask him, etc etc. It's ridiculous really. Like a mom telling her kid "whatever you do , don't forget to blah blah blah" and the answer is yeah yeah, no problem and the thing doesn't happen......now a baby is DEAD. Did he do it because he hated Leanna so much? She wouldn't divorce him. Argh.......

BBM

I am beginning to wonder if Ross actually hated Leanna so much that he purposely left Cooper in the car to die. Based on his sexual exploits outside of marriage, it's clear that Ross did not respect Leanna. Five days before Cooper's death Ross watched a video about the dangers of leaving pets in a hot car. The day before Cooper's death Leanna texted Ross to remember Cooper. As Ross ate CFA on the day of Cooper's death, he was texting with a woman complaining how his wife didn't like him going out with his friends, which he was doing that evening. The woman on Whisper commiserated by saying that she felt unappreciated as a spouse and parent. I don't think that it is a leap to assume that those thoughts filled Ross's head as he buckled Cooper into his seat for the last time. A few seconds later, Ross passed the turn lane to take Cooper to daycare. It's so tragic.

ETA - Cooper being left in a hot car was reportedly Leanna's worst fear. Was this one last jab at Leanna?

 

[katydid23]

Home Depot cameras have Ross pulling in the parking lot at 9:25:17am. Less than 1 minute after replying to the post on Whisper.

Is this time accurate?

https://youtu.be/dqU4GsANk4Q


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From what I understand, he was texting during breakfast with his son, and while he was in his car in the CFA lot, and then even at some point during the drive, MAYYBE at a red light?

 

[DeDee]

self delete

Did anyone get a SS today of the text between Ross and LH the day before Cooper's homicide? Thanks, in advance.
My interpretation of their text: LeeAnna reminds Ross not to forget Cooper. He responds: NEVER!!! Only that once.

 

[matou]

BBM

I am beginning to wonder if Ross actually hated Leanna so much that he purposely left Cooper in the car to die. Based on his sexual exploits outside of marriage, it was clear that Ross did not respect Leanna. Five days before Cooper's death Ross watched a video about the dangers of leaving pets in a hot car. The day before Cooper's death Leanna texted Ross to remember Cooper. As Ross ate CFA on the day of Cooper's death, he was texting with a woman complaining how his wife didn't like him going out with his friends. The woman on Whisper commiserated by saying that she felt unappreciated as a spouse and parent. I don't think that it is a leap to assume that those thoughts filled Ross's head as he buckled Cooper into his seat for the last time. A few seconds later, Ross passed the turn lane to take Cooper to daycare. It's so tragic.

ETA - Cooper being left in a hot car was reportedly Leanna's worst fear. Was this a one last jab at Leanna?

That's exactly what I'm thinking. He wanted Leanna to show up to the daycare and see that Cooper wasn't there. He texted HER to find out when she would be picking him up.

 

[MsMarple]

That's exactly what I'm thinking. He wanted Leanna to show up to the daycare and see that Cooper wasn't there. He texted HER to find out when she would be picking him up.

Once you start putting it all together it really doesn't look good for Ross. Something happened in May that caused Leanna to tell a friend it's no longer a good time to think about having another baby. Ross stopped taking pics of Cooper at daycare because he was "getting too big." Cooper's new, larger car seat is removed from Ross' SUV and put into Leanna's car for a road trip - why? Is the smaller one too cramped and uncomfortable to put Cooper into for a long period?

Ross usually calls daycare when he's running late but not on that day. Daycare teacher says Cooper is usually awake and full of energy on days that Ross takes him to CFA. Ross spends the majority of time at CFA with Cooper texting women about being unhappy with his wife and home life. Ross needed to decide about getting into the left turn lane to go towards daycare by the time he reached the end of the CFA driveway. He chose to go straight.

Ross texts about his son even as he "forgets" that he didn't take him to daycare. All of this occurs in a period of a minute or two. He kisses Cooper and tells him he loves him in case one of them dies. What parent needs to tell that to LE? It reminds me of Lonna Barton saying she kissed Lonzie and told him she loved him and would see him after work - when in reality Lonzie was already dead and probably disposed of. Loving parents don't need to "convince" LE or anyone else that they are a loving parent.

And now we hear that Ross had forgotten to pick up Cooper from daycare at least once before. The day before he "forgets" Cooper Leanna reminds Ross not to forget him. Either Ross is the unluckiest parent alive or he made a fatal decision while at CFA that morning. All the nitpicking by the defense can't explain these facts away. All :moo:

 

[DeDee]

I am not sure where the map above came from, but the location marked on the map is not the location of Cooper's daycare. If coming from CFA, Cooper's daycare is the first right-hand turn after crossing 285, the highway shown in khaki. The daycare is located in the brightest white L-shaped building.

I was able to self delete the map image. Can you delete the map's image from your reply so members are not confused? TIA

The map came from an early article in the case. http://www.11alive.com/news/local/r...ke-jury-through-hot-car-death-route/128622879

 

[Hope4More]

I agree that married couples need a break from one another, and even from the kids, but from everything I've heard this far about Ross, He took a lot of breaks.. just sayin :hand:

Point is what RH meant when he said "we both need escapes," and my point is I find it ridiculous for LE to suggest RH was referring to killing his son, in a text, to a stranger, a text he didn't bother to delete over the next 7 hours when he had the chance to, and an interpretation made by the same LE and the DA who tried to sell the bunk of intent being proven by RH's research on being "child-free."

Not buying it.