Trial - Ross Harris #3

[Hope4More]

Quoting myself.

Perhaps he knew it was the lunch receipt, but tossed it as a way of not wanting to face that he knew at lunchtime that Cooper was in the car. I do think he knew at lunch. Without the receipt, perhaps he could avoid talking about lunchtime.

JMOpinion...speculating

Do you look at receipts for trivial purchases you've crammed into a pocket or your purse? I don't. They're trash. I put important receipts right into my wallet, but if there isn't a trash can nearby i'll stuff trivial receipts into pocket or purse. I don't look at them again, just dig them out and toss them. They're trash. Have I already mentioned that?

I imagine the very last thing RH was thinking about in that room was what was on a trash receipt LE dug out of his pocket . I think he saw it and reflexively tossed it away because it was meaningless.

He had no reason to hide the fact he went out with friends at lunch, and the receipt didn't even reveal that much. Trash .

 

[minor4th]

I never looked at it that way before, but it does make sense. Do you think Ross would not have been arrested that night if he had asked for an attorney and said nothing to the police without one?

He wouldn't have been arrested that night for sure. There's a chance he wouldn't have been charged or maybe no murder charge if he had kept his mouth shut.

 

[JudyBolton]

Funny how we see things differently isn't it? When the judge rules to allow evidence, I think of justice for Cooper. If all of these coincidental searches, emails, texts, memes or whatever add up to motive - isn't it his (Cooper's) right to have them looked at by the jury?

Everyone wants to make this about Stoddard but I cannot forget Cooper is dead....forever! (Even if they do have "another baby".)

BTW - that comment reminds me of something I've heard from parents of a deceased child who are shocked and dismayed when those (hoping to console them) mention, "at least you have other children" which brings them zero comfort. Adding that to my list of weird comments by this couple.

 

[minor4th]

So, these emails that Ross received in 2014 about hot car deaths might be somehow used to try to establish criminal negligence?


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[JerseyGirl]

What date was the video viewed? It will be interesting to see how the defense explains why this was his biggest fear. Clearly a lot of people fear this hence the look twice public service announcement here in GA before June 18th or opting to leave a purse or briefcase in the back seat to force yourself to look in the backseat. I do the purse thing. But I believe this can happen to anyone if they are distracted and taken off routine. I have read kidsanscars.org multiple times since the RH arrest. If god forbid anything ever happened to any of my children, even unrelated to a car, you better bet your bottom dollar my posts on this thread would be introduced as well as any related searches to hot car death. Some officers jump to conclusions instead of waiting and evaluating all of the information. I understand they see awful things that lead them to see the worst in situations but you can't force a circle into a square because you are convinced it fits.

Stoddard says Harris watched the video about hot cars five days before Cooper's death.

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/ross-harr...the-ross-harris-hot-car-death-trial/460110234

 

[minor4th]

Kilgore is no longer allowing Boring to be lazy, unprepared and sloppy with his direct examination and presentation of evidence.

 

[GA_Peach]

So, these emails that Ross received in 2014 about hot car deaths might be somehow used to try to establish criminal negligence?


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I think that the point is that Ross knew the risks of leaving a child in a hot; it was his biggest fear; and yet he did NOTHING about it. As a result, his child ends up dead. It sounds like negligence to me. He cannot even feign ignorance.

Side note not related to the above - I did not like Boring during juror questioning, and he is driving me nuts. He is just as abrasive as I feared.

 

[catpatrol]

Funny how we see things differently isn't it? When the judge rules to allow evidence, I think of justice for Cooper. If all of these coincidental searches, emails, texts, memes or whatever add up to motive - isn't it his (Cooper's) right to have them looked at by the jury?

Everyone wants to make this about Stoddard but I cannot forget Cooper is dead....forever! (Even if they do have "another baby".)

BTW - that comment reminds me of something I've heard from parents of a deceased child who are shocked and dismayed when those (hoping to console them) mention, "at least you have other children" which brings them zero comfort. Adding that to my list of weird comments by this couple.

I don't think anyone is trying to 'make this about Stoddard' by evaluating the evidence he is presenting and measuring the validity and relevancy of it. I think it would be an injustice to Cooper to not do that.

 

[PaperDoll]

I'm watching the video where Stoddard is driving from Ross' work to where he pulled into parking lot after discovering Cooper. I don't see the hard right the DT is claiming when Ross noticed Cooper. Am I missing something? Still watching videos.. :thinking:

 

[Hope4More]

He's saying RH deleted the Whisper and Kik apps from his phone?

 

[justkk]

Kilgore is no longer allowing Boring to be lazy, unprepared and sloppy with his direct examination and presentation of evidence.

Regardless of how I feel about the states case so far - I am SO annoyed with how SLOW Boring seems to "get" to the point of things. Maybe it's my type A impatience coming out but I just feel like he could go through all of this (meaning the exact same information, evidence, videos, etc...) quicker!! I am not sure if it's a not prepared thing, but he just doesn't seem to flow well. He jumps around and frankly it can make it confusing!
Anyway, I don't necessarily think it is detracting from the case, but it is certainly frustrating for me to watch...
JMO


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[EquallyDivided]

Well, it took me a good six days to catch up but I'm finally back.

I'm going to address several things, and in no particular order because they are things that I thought of while I was catching up.

1. We know what time RH was responding to messages on the drive from Chick Fil A to his office. What we don't know is what time he was actually reading the responses. Who knows what he was doing on his phone in between that time.

2. I also have hearing loss. I can substitute by reading lips and angling my good ear towards the person speaking. This requires that I am maintaining face contact and watching the mouths of people who are talking to me, which RH does not do in these videos.

I can technically hear out of my left ear, but it's degraded. I use lip reading to compensate for words that are garbled. The fact that he's not doing this is very telling to me. He's also having no issue with whisper-like conversations from the defense table.

3. Having inappropriate sexual conversation and nude/explicit pictures with a fifteen-year-old is disgusting. It doesn't matter, and more horrible that girl was young enough to be his daughter. He knows better, but he doesn't care and has a flippant disregard for the legality of his behavior. If he gets away with this behavior, he probably thinks that he can get away with many other behaviors. My belief is that he thinks he is charming because he can manipulate a bunch of young girls. Daycare thinks he's an amazing father (while we know he didn't have much left for LH or Cooper)...his wife thinks he can do no wrong and is an enabler, for goodness sakes, RH rightfully thought there was nothing he couldn't get away with! Even tries to "lingo talk" with cops... sheesh! (BTW, LE loves it when you do that :s)

4. We know that RH stated he saw Cooper out of the corner of his eye when he was making a lane change. I think that that completely negates the argument as to how high up in the car seat Cooper's head might have been. HE SAW COOPER. If he could see him from the driver's seat, we know that he had the correct vantage point to have noticed Cooper if he had checked.

5. Whether or not Cooper was asleep by the time he was strapped in the car seat and headed towards his school, it just doesn't matter and we can speculate all day. Asleep or not, his father was still responsible for him.

6. Guilty or Not Guilty, I believe RH to be a deluded individual. I don't factor in the "how stupid would he be if" conversations because every action (factual evidence) he has taken, shows that he feels he can get away with anything. Cheating with his wife, being inappropriate with minors, not completing his work in a timely manner, he thinks he's above responsibility for his actions. What's one more crime...whoops, I mean, "accident"?

7. This is just my thoughts, but a hot car death for his son, pulling over into a crowded area and having someone else do CPR on his son, making a phone call that takes him away from the activities for over 5 minutes.... All this points me to believe that RH took a "disassociative" approach to getting rid of one more responsibility. Every step of the way, he was hands-off.

My hinky-meter is in the DANGER zone.


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[Bc007]

Stoddard says Harris watched the video about hot cars five days before Cooper's death.

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/ross-harr...the-ross-harris-hot-car-death-trial/460110234

Wait someone sent this to him or he searched it? I'm behind.. If searched that's not good! If anyone else testified to this it would be huge for me to lean guilt but I will wait for cross. IMO Stoddard has really hurt the state's case. I don't find him credible. Not because I think he is a bad person. I just don't think he is good at his job and I think he is stretching and taking too many liberties and it has made me disregard a lot of his testimony.

 

[angelainwi]

Regardless of how I feel about the states case so far - I am SO annoyed with how SLOW Boring seems to "get" to the point of things. Maybe it's my type A impatience coming out but I just feel like he could go through all of this (meaning the exact same information, evidence, videos, etc...) quicker!! I am not sure if it's a not prepared thing, but he just doesn't seem to flow well. He jumps around and frankly it can make it confusing!
Anyway, I don't necessarily think it is detracting from the case, but it is certainly frustrating for me to watch...
JMO


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I am feeling that he is doing a good job with his pace and level of questioning. It is so funny how two people view things opposite but I think this is an interesting part of juries too.

 

[minor4th]

Really, really, unbelievable Staley let the video be played, imo. Doesn't get any more prejudicial than that. I knew from early on she leaned towards the State, but some of her rulings imo go beyond that into just plain 'ole bad evidentiary calls.

That's what I thought at first. Having watched this much of the trial though, I think there's an additional component to her inexplicable rulings ...she is not paying attention to the evidence before she has to rule on an objection.

Most obvious example was when she would not allow the admission of a police report when the law so very clearly allows for its admission. Certainly she, as a judge, should have a very good working knowledge of the rules of evidence!

 

[JerseyGirl]

Stoddard then talks about an email from Leanna Harris on Jan. 30, 2013, with a subject line "Don't be this dad." It contained a link to a local TV station's story about a father who leaves a child in his car for eight hours on a cold day. A second email is a forward of a message headed "Look again" from a state agency.

A third email sent on May 13, 2014, a little more than a month before Cooper's death, said "a 2-year-old in Clarkston, Ga., died after being left in her mother's car," Stoddard says.

 

[GA_Peach]

I'm watching the video where Stoddard is driving from Ross' work to where he pulled into parking lot after discovering Cooper. I don't see the hard right the DT is claiming when Ross noticed Cooper. Am I missing something? Still watching videos.. :thinking:

The hard right was made on the way from Ross's office to the movie theater, not on the way from CFA to Ross's office. I am still skeptical of that hard right. Ross had no reason to make a hard right there. Just another strange thing to me.

Regardless of how I feel about the states case so far - I am SO annoyed with how SLOW Boring seems to "get" to the point of things. Maybe it's my type A impatience coming out but I just feel like he could go through all of this (meaning the exact same information, evidence, videos, etc...) quicker!! I am not sure if it's a not prepared thing, but he just doesn't seem to flow well. He jumps around and frankly it can make it confusing!
Anyway, I don't necessarily think it is detracting from the case, but it is certainly frustrating for me to watch...
JMO


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I agree. The State's OS was the same way - lots of data points and random musings but no coherent story. The prosecution has done a terrible job with this case.

 

[JerseyGirl]

"Let's start with the Whisper app. Were you able to verify that he used an application called Whisper on his phone?" Boring asked. Stoddard says yes, describing the Whisper app enables users to "put your secret thoughts out there."

He talks about the image on Harris's phone from a Whisper conversation that said the writer, identified as "Always in my feelings," hated being married. Early on, Stoddard says, investigators didn't know whether Harris wrote the message or simply downloaded it from someone else.

He explains that at length, investigators concluded that Harris didn't write the post but that he viewed it on the morning Cooper died.

 

[minor4th]

The hard right was made on the way from Ross's office to the movie theaters, not on the way from CFA to Ross's office. I am still skeptical of that hard right. Ross had no reason to make a hard right there. Just another strange thing to me.




I agree. The State's OS was the same way - lots of data points and random musings but no coherent story. The prosecution has done a terrible job with this case.

I don't think it was a hard right. It was a lane change to the far right lane while there was a fair amount of traffic.

Besides, when you're actually turning right, you look hard left

 

[Bc007]

Stoddard then talks about an email from Leanna Harris on Jan. 30, 2013, with a subject line "Don't be this dad." It contained a link to a local TV station's story about a father who leaves a child in his car for eight hours on a cold day. A second email is a forward of a message headed "Look again" from a state agency.

A third email sent on May 13, 2014, a little more than a month before Cooper's death, said "a 2-year-old in Clarkston, Ga., died after being left in her mother's car," Stoddard says.

Clearly this was their biggest fear because both LH and RH must have thought he was that oblivious in life to do this or something like it. I think these emails help the defense.