Trial - Ross Harris #3

[dalsglen]

This just popped up on my fb,http:// https://m.facebook.com/GoFitStayFit/photos/a.519389661544291.1073741828.518134801669777/678549692294953/?type=3&source=54 seems appropriate

 

[Nana46]

I had not realized just how tall RH is....my husband is not tall but still scoots my car seat way back when he is driving.....to me this puts RH even closer to Cooper...his SUV looks small so that is what I am going by....cramped space and his seat pushed back?!?! Sorry, this puts him even closer to Cooper than perhaps a shorter man/woman would be.

ETA the smell (I hate typing that) would be closer as well I would think in relation to the driver side car seat being further back...closer to little Cooper.

 

[turaj]

I had not realized just how tall RH is....my husband is not tall but still scoots my car seat way back when he is driving.....to me this puts RH even closer to Cooper...his SUV looks small so that is what I am going by....cramped space and his seat pushed back?!?! Sorry, this puts him even closer to Cooper than perhaps a shorter man/woman would be.

ETA the smell (I hate typing that) would be closer as well I would think in relation to the driver side car seat being further back...closer to little Cooper.

Frankly asking a jury to believe that he did not know he was there and was actually driving at various times of day not seeing Cooper is assuming that each juror is just simply dumb...I would be insulted to be expected to think he had no knowledge of him there. You might have some argument in a much larger car but not with RH's stature and the car seat position. If this jury gives him a pass on this I give up.

 

[Cardinal47]

Frankly asking a jury to believe that he did not know he was there and was actually driving at various times of day not seeing Cooper is assuming that each juror is just simply dumb...I would be insulted to be expected to think he had no knowledge of him there. You might have some argument in a much larger car but not with RH's stature and the car seat position. If this jury gives him a pass on this I give up.

This jury has several charges to consider. They only have to pick one or two or three. The only problem I see is if they can't all agree on one charge in the death of little Cooper. I hope after weeks of testimony they will find common ground.

The cars smallness and his largeness doesn't need jurors to sit in the car. They can see how close father and son were to each other. I forget the length of the car ride from CF to HD but only a couple of minutes.

Children sing, they talk and they make noises. As somebody pointed out in another post parents minds are on their children all the time. During that hot day he never thought of Cooper. Not once.

Sorry but I am not buying what this defendant is selling.

 

[matou]

Do we know if he was using the Bluetooth feature in his car that morning while he was driving or was he actually texting? Did he listen to the radio? Just wondering if there is any possibility of not hearing Cooper based on these things.

 

[Cardinal47]

Do we know if he was using the Bluetooth feature in his car that morning while he was driving or was he actually texting? Did he listen to the radio? Just wondering if there is any possibility of not hearing Cooper based on these things.

Actually one of 'the ladies' that testified said that Ross had some Bluetooth feature in his car and used it when they talked. She said he could hear her just fine so I'm convinced he heard Cooper sounds. That also ruled out his hearing loss in his right ear.

For some reason I thought there was no communication from Ross during that drive from CF to HD.

 

[justkk]

Frankly asking a jury to believe that he did not know he was there and was actually driving at various times of day not seeing Cooper is assuming that each juror is just simply dumb...I would be insulted to be expected to think he had no knowledge of him there. You might have some argument in a much larger car but not with RH's stature and the car seat position. If this jury gives him a pass on this I give up.

This is the biggest issue to me. I didn't hear a lot of the media coverage in the beginning that everyone is referencing (just didn't get a lot of airtime on the west coast I guess - actually I believe I was out of country for a couple of weeks around that time so maybe we did get coverage and I missed - it in case I am wrong!)
Everything else being shown in the trial so far is just more information that adds to (doesn't take away from) my belief that there is just NO logical way IMO to believe he wasn't aware of Cooper when he was in the car "until" he was changing lanes on his way to the movies.
I didn't realize they would have a model of the interior of the vehicle in the court (?). I think many feel this is the "biggest" evidence of all in this case.


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[turaj]

This jury has several charges to consider. They only have to pick one or two or three. The only problem I see is if they can't all agree on one charge in the death of little Cooper. I hope after weeks of testimony they will find common ground.

The cars smallness and his largeness doesn't need jurors to sit in the car. They can see how close father and son were to each other. I forget the length of the car ride from CF to HD but only a couple of minutes.

Children sing, they talk and they make noises. As somebody pointed out in another post parents minds are on their children all the time. During that hot day he never thought of Cooper. Not once.

Sorry but I am not buying what this defendant is selling.

and the state has been sure to include testimony about the chatty nature of Cooper is...including Jaynie hearing him in the background in the car...the school etc.

 

[Zoobiegirl]

Why did she stay married to JRH for so long after Cooper died, and why did she wait until the eleventh hour before his trial to finally file for divorce? Hopefully these questions will be answered when LH takes the stand.[/QUOTE]

Would that keep her from having to pay the cost of his defense? I don't imagine they come cheap. :thinking:

 

[Hope4More]

Actually one of 'the ladies' that testified said that Ross had some Bluetooth feature in his car and used it when they talked. She said he could hear her just fine so I'm convinced he heard Cooper sounds. That also ruled out his hearing loss in his right ear.

For some reason I thought there was no communication from Ross during that drive from CF to HD.

Fact check.


1. The "lady" testified that RH used Bluetooth precisely because he DID have hearing loss, and Bluetooth compensated for the hearing loss because it broadcast throughout the car.

2. The "lady" testified she was aware RH had hearing loss.

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It is a matter of opinion only, not fact, whether or not Cooper was awake and making noise, asleep, or awake and silent. People being "sure" till the cows come home one way or another about Cooper awake or asleep doesn't make opinion fact.

And RH "surely" hearing Cooper depends on Cooper being awake, making noise, making noise loud enough to not be drowned out by a radio on (if it was), and making noise loud enough to be heard by a man with hearing problems in his right ear that couldn't be compensated for in this case by reading lips, filling in conversational blanks, etc.

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The only texts send by RH between walking out of CFA around 9:18 and approx 9:55, 25 minutes after arriving at work, were 3 texts sent at 9:24, most likely while stopped at that intersection, and very likely not with a handheld phone.

 

[Cardinal47]

Why did she stay married to JRH for so long after Cooper died, and why did she wait until the eleventh hour before his trial to finally file for divorce? Hopefully these questions will be answered when LH takes the stand.

Would that keep her from having to pay the cost of his defense? I don't imagine they come cheap. :thinking:[/QUOTE]

I'm curious about that too. There was insurance money. Not sure if a divorce would change the payout on that.

She was almost like Mother and Child with Ross during their first meeting after learning of Coopers death. My guess would be financial but that's only a guess.

 

[Cardinal47]

Now living in Alabama, Leanna Harris proposes she and her husband keep whatever personal property they each brought into the marriage -- and whatever debt remains after nearly 10 years of marriage. Leanna Harris also requests sole possession of the couple’s 2012 Toyota Camry, and that Ross Harris be responsible for all attorney’s fees and litigation costs.

http://www.ajc.com/news/local/divor...se-must-testify-trial/MdmHnvx6vW6rGqFI2MBPnO/

 

[Zoobiegirl]

So, was he off it at (the andro gel and other supplements.)the time of Cooper's death? When the detective asked him if he was on any medication he said no.

 

[just the facts pls]

Ross Harris is a pudgy, dough boy.
He is not wealthy, and he is strapped with a wife and child.
What on earth made these 15 year olds and older go for him?
Seriously, one wanted to come over and preform fellato on him at 5:30 in the morning?
For the day?????

An admittedly married man with a two year old child?

I can see this building up his immature ego.

Ross was so into the possibilites with new sexual partners that he put EVERY thing at risk.

His marriage, his job, and his son's life.

For years, he'd been living a double life, of lies.
He was willing to lie to everyone, whilst he spent his days and night obsessing about future trysts.

In my opinion, Ross Harris is a very sick man.

I also think that he somehow partner upped with a very sick and weak woman.

Thus, the tragic death of little Cooper Harris.

This case is so disturbing to me.

The pretense of a happy loving Father and Husband, while the whole time he was committing tons of time looking for sexual hook ups with anyone.

15 YEAR olds included.

I really don't give a hoot about LeAnnes testimony.

I personally think that she has the IQ of a slug.

This is completely My take on the death of baby Cooper Harris.
May he rest in peace.

Hi, to a lot of people think making 60k a year is having good money. A lot of households with both parents working don't even make that much. JRH made above the median income with his job alone. IMO they probably saw him as an older, successful man who drove a nice car and felt flattered he even gave them the time of day. Almost every one of the young women testifying appears to have low self esteem or was willing to take love/attention where they could get it. I am less judgemental about them because their situation is just sad. They are young and they have no life experience and possibly come from households of abuse or neglect. Their mistakes will haunt them forever and people will judge them more harshly then they will ever judge JRH for leaving his kid in the car.

On the other hand, JRH was a thirty four year old married father who should have known better. He was beyond the age of youthful mistakes. By taking vows of marriage, he had responsibility to stay faithful to his wife or at least divorce her before going out and messing with barely legal teenagers.

 

[Hope4More]

Sheez Loueez, I just watched the interview with RH and then him and Leanne together. She was a cold and calm as ever.

Sorry, I don't understand how anyone could not be wailing over the death of their baby so I don't understand this woman at all.

RH looked genuinely sad and remorseful to me. She didn't even stammer.

Creepy.

It's possible, imo, that at least one juror will look at the video, and after seeing RH sobbing and Leanna not; RH expressing despair and Leanna not; RH begging that she not hate him and Leanna not even expressing anger towards him, much less hate; RH expressing overt grief and Leanna comforting RH for his grief, but not expressing her own overtly, and not responding as if the two were SHARING grief over the most terrible event imaginable as a parent, and seeing all that , think....well, that helps explain what was wrong in their marriage, and that what was wrong doesn't necessarily seem to be all about RH.

 

[just the facts pls]

To me this sort of neglect is intentional. When you choose the things Ross did you are choosing actions which take away your ability to protect your child. Given his age Cooper was fully at the mercy of his father when in his care and instead of paying attention to his son and taking that responsibility seriously Ross chose another path and his son died a horrendous death. If Ross had chosen to exercise self control for just a few more minutes Cooper wouldn't be dead.

I can't help but wonder just how much people would wonder about intent if there had been a car crash because Ross was texting as he drove and Cooper died. Or if Ross hadn't properly fastened him in and he died in a crash? As far as I am concerned Ross's distraction weaponized his car as surely as it would have if he had killed Cooper while texting and driving.

Other scenarios come to mind like what if Ross got drunk or high while Cooper was with him and the baby fell down the stairs and died because his father was passed out on the couch? What if while in his care Cooper somehow gobbled up medicine left within reach that killed him?To me those hypothetical situations all have intent because a choice is being made and it is one that lowers the standard of care a child is recieving because on the most basic level the job of a parent is to keep their child alive. The ultimate consequence of a parent's failure to do so is in fact the death of their child.

I also sense Ross and LeAnn wouldn't give a damn about intent if a similar scenario played out except we replaced Ross with a babysitter. If a babysitter was hired to take Cooper somewhere and she got so distracted by flirting with men online that she let Cooper bake to death while at a mall I doubt there would be many voices calling it a terrible accident. She would probably lose what minimal support she had if we learned midway through her shopping and texting she took some of her purchases to the car and still didn't notice a now dead Cooper. No one would care how upset she may have looked when the police questioned her. The only reactions anyone would be thinking of would be Cooper's. Poor Cooper unaware that he is on a countdown to death when he realizes the car stopped. Poor Cooper in that moment where he thinks someone is going to get him out like always. Cooper wondering why he was left. Cooper starting to feel warm,then warmer, then so hot he is profusely sweating.Cooper starting to cry because in his world crying means mommy or daddy will come fix the problem. Cooper struggling in vain to free himself until the horrible inevitable conclusion of a fully avoidable situation.

No one would find anything remotely understanble about that situation at all because the babysitter shirked her duty to the child and that lead to fatal neglect.And in my world a parent has far more of a duty to protect their child than any other sort of hired caregiver hence I have no issue finding intent in this case nor do I question why the officers saw a crime not an accident. When a child dies like Cooper did it isn't a oopsie its a murder.

And on a final note I imagine myself as Ross and know that if I had to live with wondering about every horrible second my child spent in that car while I sexted I would never in a million years view my child's death as an accident. I would know I was murderer.

BBM. Imagine if that babysitter left Cooper in the car WHILE texting to her friends she hated being a babysitter as JRH did when he was texting to a strange woman about escaping his family only moments before leaving Cooper in the car.

Nobody would have a problem convicting the babysitter in a heartbeat.

JRH? Well he's an upper class man so of course he escapes responsibility for his behavior no matter how disgusting and terrible.

 

[justkk]

I personally find it extremely far fetched that Cooper fell asleep in that 1-3 min. However, regardless of whether he was asleep or awake doesn't change my opinion that the biggest issue is the proximity of RH to Cooper in his car seat in that vehicle. Again RH is a large person, the vehicle is rather small, the seat and Cooper were inches from his body, AND I would almost think that his shoulder/arm would push against the car seat side as he leaned over to his right to get his briefcase from the passenger side.
I don't know. We can all make our case about how strongly we feel about this one way or another. It will be up to the jury. I think there will be *much* discussion on this point in the jury room.


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[Zoobiegirl]

I thought the same thing. It was almost like she set aside her grieving for one child so she could take care of her other child (Ross). Did any of you notice the "official" questions you ask to determine if someone has a high suicide risk? The specific question "have you thought of how you would do it?" That's one of the questions asked when they think you might be a risk and they are trying to determine how serious you are. I noticed she asked him that at one point. I got the feeling she thought he was a risk for that.
I really feel that LeAnna was the "grown up" in this relationship. All of that being said, their reactions are still quite bizarre.

 

[magnolia]

BBM. Imagine if that babysitter left Cooper in the car WHILE texting to her friends she hated being a babysitter as JRH did when he was texting to a strange woman about escaping his family only moments before leaving Cooper in the car.

Nobody would have a problem convicting the babysitter in a heartbeat.

JRH? Well he's an upper class man so of course he escapes responsibility for his behavior no matter how disgusting and terrible.

Upper class man ????????:thinking:

 

[Hope4More]

I'm not saying this indicative of how anyone on the jury will respond to the LH-RH tape, but I just experimented on my poor DH, who knows very little about this case and who doesn't want to know more, probably in part because he was subjected to over 2 years of having to listen to me puzzle through the Arias case.

I asked him to watch the first 10 minutes of the tape. His first (strongest) response was-- "wow, she isn't even crying. Why's that? That's really weird".

Then-- "he looks like he's genuinely grieving- didn't you tell me the State claimed he wasn't?"

And by the end of 10 minutes--"well, I can see why he was sexting or whatever. She seems as cold as they get."

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Also, he's a civil trial attorney, not criminal, but he was surprised LE was allowed to tape this after RH had invoked.