Trial - Ross Harris #3

[katydid23]

As evidence photos show, he would put his briefcase on the floor of the passenger side seat. He would have to turn to the right to right to grab it. Not only was Cooper was too large for his car seat, JRH is tall enough to see down into the car seat when he went to grab his briefcase.

To me, that is one of the most damning things---that he reached across to the passenger side, and never saw his son a few inches away and in-between the two seats. It was such a short amount of time and such a short distance, and the car seat was only inches away. That makes it very hard to believe he was unaware of the baby.

Especially given the fact that his and his wife's 'greatest fear' was leaving Cooper to die in a hot car. If that really was his greatest fear in life, why didn't he just turn his head a few inches and look at the baby seat?

 

[katydid23]

Wasn't commenting on whether it was an "excuse" or not, just to the poster's factually inaccurate comments about his hearing loss and Bluetooth, etc.

OK, gotcha. But the only reason that is relevant is because the DT is trying to use it as an excuse for him not being aware of the baby in the car.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

That's a bad thing?

The State will try to make RH look as bad as possible. They want the jury to dislike him and not have the slightest bit of sympathy for him.

The defense will try to minimize or distance his bad behavior and concentrate on any good things he did with or for Cooper.

JMO

 

[Deleted member 39678]

OK, gotcha. But the only reason that is relevant is because the DT is trying to use it as an excuse for him not being aware of the baby in the car.

The State would call it an excuse while the defense would call it an explanation. Depends on what side your on.

JMO

 

[Hope4More]

It doesn't matter what she was like. He's 100% responsible for his own actions. Blaming her in any way for what he was doing seems a little archaic.

<modsnip> If you've read any of my other posts about Leanna over the past weeks, you'd know that I have unfailing posted my support of her, actually, usually in response to those finding her behavior not only odd, but suspicious.

And I can assure you my DH could care less, and wasn't thinking in terms of blame or responsibility or anything else.

My point in having him watch was an experiment -thinking of him as a juror- to see what impact the video had, and what he thought of RH's behavior. I didn't ask him to look at Leanna's, or their couple dynamics .

That's why it was interesting to me one of his takeaways is that he could understand WHY RH went looking outside his marriage. In other words, two people in that marriage, each contributing to what wasn't right.

 

[katydid23]

The State would call it an excuse while the defense would call it an explanation. Depends on what side your on.

JMO

True, but that would not negate the NEGLIGENCE on his part, imo. If a parent has a disability then it is their responsibility to compensate for it in caring for their child. jmo

 

[PaperDoll]

As evidence photos show, he would put his briefcase on the floor of the passenger side seat. He would have to turn to the right to right to grab it. Not only was Cooper was too large for his car seat, JRH is tall enough to see down into the car seat when he went to grab his briefcase.

Yup, I agree! Also when listening to him with LE he just said a lot that wasn't necessary, nervousness IMO. When asked what he thought happened, he couldn't really say, he said he didn't hear Cooper that maybe he went to sleep.. REALLY? Did you have to hear him to know he was in the car right after you strapped him in??????? UGH! No excuse, none, nada!!!!

 

[just the facts pls]

To me, that is one of the most damning things---that he reached across to the passenger side, and never saw his son a few inches away and in-between the two seats. It was such a short amount of time and such a short distance, and the car seat was only inches away. That makes it very hard to believe he was unaware of the baby.

Especially given the fact that his and his wife's 'greatest fear' was leaving Cooper to die in a hot car. If that really was his greatest fear in life, why didn't he just turn his head a few inches and look at the baby seat?

If I could like your post a thousand times, I would. Thank you!

What kills me is that he says "I didn't take a second look." What in the world is he talking about? Between the car being so small and the positioning of the car seat, that one glance to the side to get his briefcase would have been enough. Sitting in his car for thirty seconds hearing Cooper babble and maybe even talking more about school would have even been enough. I mean sheesh, Cooper was right there only inches from JRH's head. Cooper wasn't clear in the back of a full size van. He was practically right next to JRH and it had only been what, thirty seconds to six minutes after leaving Chik-Fil-A? I'm flabbergasted how JRH can claim he forgot Cooper with a straight face.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

True, but that would not negate the NEGLIGENCE on his part, imo. If a parent has a disability then it is their responsibility to compensate for it in caring for their child. jmo

For you that's true. The defense only needs one juror to think otherwise. JMO

 

[katydid23]

Okay. It is my BIRTHDAY---and I will take this moment to be grateful that both my kids are alive and well, and I have a beautiful baby grand daughter, and they are all meeting hubby and I at a sports bar to watch the SeaHawks game. I will be drinking margaritas very soon. :toast:

 

[katydid23]

For you that's true. The defense only needs one juror to think otherwise. JMO

Very true. Thats the beauty and chaos of a jury trial. lol

 

[just the facts pls]

Okay. It is my BIRTHDAY---and I will take this moment to be grateful that both my kids are alive and well, and I have a beautiful baby grand daughter, and they are all meeting hubby and I at a sports bar to watch the SeaHawks game. I will be drinking margaritas very soon. :toast:

Happy birthday and have a great time! :cheers:

 

[PaperDoll]

This theory about hearing Cooper that day is BS to me and the reason his, he claimed to LE he has never left Cooper before in the car, so if Cooper was asleep the minute he strapped him in at CFA until driving out of parking lot, then he most likely was asleep all the time Ross drove Cooper around and yet he didn't forget him those times. Why this time, and on a hot day? GA isn't always hot, I'm sure it gets cool during seasons.


ETA: Does Ross always need to hear Cooper in order to not forget him?

 

[PaperDoll]

Okay. It is my BIRTHDAY---and I will take this moment to be grateful that both my kids are alive and well, and I have a beautiful baby grand daughter, and they are all meeting hubby and I at a sports bar to watch the SeaHawks game. I will be drinking margaritas very soon. :toast:

HAPPY BIRTHDAY :blowkiss: Go Hawks! :happydance:

 

[Rocco]

<modsnip> If you've read any of my other posts about Leanna over the past weeks, you'd know that I have unfailing posted my support of her, actually, usually in response to those finding her behavior not only odd, but suspicious.

And I can assure you my DH could care less, and wasn't thinking in terms of blame or responsibility or anything else.

My point in having him watch was an experiment -thinking of him as a juror- to see what impact the video had, and what he thought of RH's behavior. I didn't ask him to look at Leanna's, or their couple dynamics .

That's why it was interesting to me one of his takeaways is that he could understand WHY RH went looking outside his marriage. In other words, two people in that marriage, each contributing to what wasn't right.

You said your husband said he thought she was cold and could see why he was sexting. I disagreed with that and said so because it's absolutely ridiculous to blame her AT ALL for the sexting he was doing. You posted it---I responded.

<modsnip>

 

[Canonical]

Too many breaks-in-routine and too many odd "coincidences" to allow me to believe this is some tragic accident. Tomorrow morning, I'll walk into work and on my desk will be the Post-It note I left myself on Friday, reminding me of what I need to do ASAP when I get in. Apparently, that was too much to expect a father with his overwhelming fear of leaving his kid in the car, one who had apparently forgotten his own child on a previous occasion and had researched such deaths on the Internet, to do. Cooper, you deserved better.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

This theory about hearing Cooper that day is BS to me and the reason his, he claimed to LE he has never left Cooper before in the car, so if Cooper was asleep the minute he strapped him in at CFA until driving out of parking lot, then he most likely was asleep all the time Ross drove Cooper around and yet he didn't forget him those times. Why this time, and on a hot day? GA isn't always hot, I'm sure it gets cool during seasons.


ETA: Does Ross always need to hear Cooper in order to not forget him?

BBM

I would say no, he wouldn't have to hear Cooper in order to not forget him.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

:bdsong: Enjoy your special day, katydid23. :toastred:

 

[MsMarple]

Okay. It is my BIRTHDAY---and I will take this moment to be grateful that both my kids are alive and well, and I have a beautiful baby grand daughter, and they are all meeting hubby and I at a sports bar to watch the SeaHawks game. I will be drinking margaritas very soon. :toast:

:confetti::Happybirthday:artyguy:

 

[Hope4More]

Katy--- $67, time squandered, and the wrong cord later, I'm still on my phone.

Will try to keep it simple and short, not my forte.

1. I still don't know what Whisper is, but am imagining it to be essentially a text exchange on every way that matters, though i do understand from testimony that one posts and/or responds to a "meme." What a strange world.


2. RH first responded to Ms X before he entered CFA ( 8:55 reply, 9:00 entrance).

(The following is my interpretation, in case that is not clear, responding to your interpretation of their exchange).

RH's reply, from the first, is about himself. He is complaining about not having time for himself, and that Leanna isn't OK with him going out with friends, even just to see a movie.

One context here is that RH in fact has plans that day to go the movies, with friends. He had asked Leanna by text the day before if he could go see that specific movie " sometime soon," but didn't tell her he had already made plans, and she didn't in fact tell him by text it was OK.

One inference is that he told her about his plans that same night (the 17th) , she wasn't happy about it, and the next day, the 18th, he was feeling pissy about a marital squabble, nothing more.

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