Trial - Ross Harris #3

[blue22]

Kilgore is Pi$$ed. Fox5 left the video on for a while. State was leaving, the female DA, the other Da(I assuming he with them as in work, he was with them), and Evans waited a bit everyone watching Kilgore lol Boring was trying to get his laptop unplugged and Kilgore was saying something. Kilgore went back to the Def table talking to someone he mad.

The State gave Kilgore some report this morning and Def has never seen or even heard about it til this morning. The Judge was really flippant about it. "Thurs oh you have all the time in the world" Not sure if it is re Stoddard speaking to the FBI BAU that was spoken about just prior to court starting. Kilgore if I heard correct put Stoddard on subpoena? He is going to chew Stoddard up on Cross.

And I almost choked on my coffee, when Stoddard said the CF orig receipts "just disappeared" so April 2016 Stoddard went to the CF owner and got 2nd copies. .. Stoddard never knows anything (from Hearings) doesn't have his notes. He has answered incorrectly on some things, and here he has been lead by the State on answers. And the Judge ALLOWS it! :scared:

I'm on a roll with quoting you today, lol.

I don't often watch trials. Why would the defense need to subpoena Stoddard? Doesn't he get to question him on cross?

 

[arkansasmimi]

I'm glad they played it too. It is important information - it's just not helpful to the prosecution IMO

I am glade played too.

SO what do you think of the video where allegedly RH says malicious intent?

 

[Hope4More]

Narrative of the scene through being charged, from Staley’s January 2016 ruling denying the DT’s Motion to Suppress (electronic evidence).


Police observed RH on phone upon arrival. Didn’t know who he was speaking with, or if the other person was involved in any criminal activity regarding Cooper’s death. Asked him to get off phone, asked him for his identification. RH was noncompliant. Refused to get off the phone, moved threateningly towards Foglia, told her to “shut the F up’

Piper said: he towered over Foglia, was obstructing the investigation, we wanted to avoid possibility of a violent confrontation.

RH tried to put his phone in pocket as he was cuffed, pulled away from Piper as he was cuffed and phone taken. Told to stop resisting. Only calmed down after he was cuffed. Piper moved her car so he “wouldn’t create more problems for responding officers.”

Piper gave cell phone to her supervisor, Thorpe, who “eventually” gave it to Stoddard “No search of the phone was conducted at that time.”

After brief investigation at scene, RH was transported to CAP at headquarters, at “detectives’ request.”

Upon arrival, he was turned over to detectives who removed his cuffs before interviewing him, and he was allowed to “roam freely” in the interview room.

Meanwhile, Piper checked with 911 and realized RH hadn’t called, and since RH asked Piper on scene to call his wife, it indicated he had not been on the phone with her when LE arrived. Piper reported all this to Stoddard, as well as RG’s “demeanor.”

Prior to being interviewed, Stoddard inventoried his personal possessions, in front of RH (no mention is made of the Publix receipt or RH throwing it away).

RH denied being distracted to Stoddard during the interview.

“Of note to detectives” was RH saying this was his worst fear, as had Leanna in her interview.

“ Defendant also revealed he had watched a video online about deaths in hot cars. Specifically, he admitted watching a video about a vet saying how hot it could get in cars. watched a news story. RH referenced saying to himself how terrible it would be to happen to someone. Defendant failed to identify which electronic device he had watched the video on, or whether the news story was viewed on TV or another device. “

Stoddard noted- we didn’t know if someone had sent it to him (by various means), etc. RH claimed to have researched the specific car seat he owned to see if it fit Cooper, claimed he was happily married, indicated he had developed a failed web company, but otherwise denied financial hardships.

While at HQ, Stoddard told RH he had his phone and it was being charged. Stoddard asked RH for the passcode, and RH provided it willingly, “without question or limitation.”

When RH was told he was going to be charged he invoked counsel, “ but he also made spontaneous statements. Specifically, he told detectives he “disagreed slightly” with the charges.”




---yay! I have my computer back. Part 2- search warrants and the tick tock of electronics investigations

 

[arkansasmimi]

It wasn't like any other day if he changed his routine and went inside verse typically using the drive through but I'm actually not sure it was that out of the norm. Didn't the people who work there say he has come in before ? Even if he hadn't gone in before, there is also proof that sometimes he dropped Cooper off before picking up CF and other times he picked it up before dropping him. Other times he didn't have Cooper and went to CF. Sp there was no routine day to day. The only part that was routine was the routes depending on the circumstances of the given morning. So to me, the defense needs to explain how long he was in that car from the time he buckles Cooper in until he pulled out and decided to go straight to work. The forgotten baby syndrome comes down to something that distracts and auto pilot memory takes over. It appears he has several routes he often went.

On direct exam with Jaynie Meadows, Boring asked her about CF. LOL asked her about RH going through the drive thru with Cooper. She said she was more familiar with RH taking Cooper inside. That made me giggle a bit.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Court is back in session after the lunch break.

 

[Inthedetails]

When I followed this case as it happened, I really thought Ross left Cooper in the car with the intention of quickly returning to the car after making an appearance at work. I still keep that idea on the table of possibilities....but....

after seeing the trial so far, I'm very surprised that I now consider he could've intended murder. I don't think the case has been made (so far) that is beyond a reasonable doubt and (so far) I couldn't convict for intentional murder if I were on the jury. But, I'm not on the jury so I can chat about it here. I seriously wonder if he did intend this.

Whatever the case, I think he knew that afternoon at work that Cooper was dead in his car. I think he expected the public and LE to be on his side and he would even be a hero who went into advocacy for children in cars. I think he fully expected that and perhaps still does.

jmo

 

[JerseyGirl]

Whatever the case, I think he knew that afternoon at work that Cooper was dead in his car. I think he expected the public and LE to be on his side and he would even be a hero who went into advocacy for children in cars. I think he fully expected that and perhaps still does.

jmo

He mentioned something about being an advocate for children in cars when he spoke to his wife in the interrogation room.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Quote Originally Posted by arkansasmimi View Post
Yep, lots of hearsay. And Judge even let Stoddard authenticate that last video and he didn't do it. Again, I would not be surprised if they have a car seat person as an expert.

QUOTE=blue22;12889777]By "they" do you mean the prosecution or defense? (I could see both calling one, which is why I ask.)

I thinking the Def. Because the State is going by their witness allegedly reading a manual. They have not entered into evidence that manual tho. (Kilgore objected to Stoddard saying that as hear say but Judge allowed).[/QUOTE]

The ME explained how the measurements of Cooper Crown to Rump were. He testifed that mean bottom where he sat down. And lol again for the gazillonth time from bottom of the seat where Cooper rump would sit to the top of crown of his head is 14 inches. 5 1/4 in from the top of the car seat those are CSI Grimstead measurements. But with Ludwig getting the measurements read into the record and affirmed by Dr. Frist the former CCME (who is on recall by Def) that is going to be an issue. Esp with the doll being put in the car seat. (which the doll is not the same exact measurement as Cooper, it has been argued in hearings.

With Stoddard testifying that head was over the top of the car seat, it will have to be addressed. JMHO

 

[JerseyGirl]

Boring introduces phone records reflecting activity on Harris's cellphone. He asks whether Harris called his wife, Leanna, at 3:16 p.m. Stoddard says he did and says Harris asked, "What time are you going to pick up my buddy?"

Phone records show Harris tried to call his wife at 4:24 p.m. that day, but hung up. She called him back at 4:25 p.m. and it went to voicemail. Harris called the Home Depot direct number twice. One conversation lasted more than five minutes.

 

[minor4th]

Stoddard still thinks the Toddler 5 teacher is lying about not answering the phone

 

[JudyBolton]

Stoddard also testified "that it appears that he bent down a little bit"

IIRC these were the vanity round type lightbulbs for a bathroom. Those things are not cheap - I have them in two of our bathrooms. I consider them rather fragile, even within their package. I would not haphazardly toss them into the car while standing completely erect. I would bend to ensure that they were safe. Maybe if I had a sack full of nails, I might toss them in.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Stoddard still thinks the Toddler 5 teacher is lying about not answering the phone

I do too.

 

[Maisiebelle]

Det Stoddard makes faces at the defense objections!

 

[JerseyGirl]

Stoddard says Harris made a nearly six minute phone call to Toddler Room 5 at Little Apron Academy just minutes after pulling Cooper from his car. The teacher inside the room says she did not answer the phone. To this day, detectives have been unable to find out who Harris spoke to on that call.

 

[Hope4More]

Stoddard still thinks the Toddler 5 teacher is lying about not answering the phone

Stoddard has a very difficult time of letting go of any of his certainties, even when the evidence doesn't support them.

 

[minor4th]

Right, but the original poster was referring to when negligence becomes criminal. I was referring to the negligence charges that don't require intent. We all know the charges are not because LE thought this was an accident.

Agreed. The State's whole presentation has been geared around malicious murder.

Little to no evidence about criminal negligence, which I think is a mistake. I would think the jury would be more likely to convict on the basis of criminal negligence - but the state has done nothing to explain what exactly was the criminally negligent conduct or any evidence about it one way or the other.

 

[Hope4More]

Stoddard says Harris made a nearly six minute phone call to Toddler Room 5 at Little Apron Academy just minutes after pulling Cooper from his car. The teacher inside the room says she did not answer the phone. To this day, detectives have been unable to find out who Harris spoke to on that call.

Because, just perhaps, he didn't speak to anyone.

 

[catpatrol]

I find it crazy that the detective wants us to speculate on the day care teacher's involvement with zero evidence of that.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Because, just perhaps, he didn't speak to anyone.

So Ross sat on the phone on hold for 5 minutes while people around him were tending to his son????

No one acknowledged at LAA that they even answered his phone call??


I call BS.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Stoddard testifies that Harris called Toddler Room 5 at Little Apron Academy, Cooper's room. But the daycare worker in Toddler Room 5, where Cooper normally went, claimed that she didn't receive such a call or a voicemail. Stoddard said he was unable to resolve the apparent conflict.

Stoddard said he called to speak with Leanna, and Michael Baygents, Harris's brother, answered the phone. Stoddard said Baygents declined to speak with the police and invited Stoddard to call the family's lawyer.