Trial - Ross Harris #5

[SuperTmo]

Disrespectful to me? Oh heck yes, and oh heck no, would i have any tolerance for it. Notice the distinction between disrespectful to ME (and to "family") and disrespectful to our son.

I make that distinction in the specific context of this case, and whether or not RH sexting with his son sleeping next to him has any relevance at all to what happened to Cooper a year later.

The way I see it is that if one spouse has a zero tolerance policy for infidelity, whether in person or over the phone or computer, and the other spouse engages in this activity knowing the consequence will likely be the breakup of their family, that is HIGHLY disrespectful to the children. In some ways I would consider this as much an insult to the children as it is to the betrayed spouse because those kids counted on that parent to provide a loving and peaceful home, and not destroy their family. Doing something you know is going to devastate your spouse and lead to divorce and change your kid's entire life is nothing short of disrespectful and dishonorable to the kids.

RH didn't just cheat on LH, he cheated on his family.

 

[minor4th]

JMHO I don't believe this. 1) if you have watched any of the Hearings, you will know how Kilgore feels about the media in this case. I can't see him telling them squat, unless to mislead them. JMHO 2) Dr. Diamond, Dr. A, are suppose to be called, and Dr Frist is till on subpoena (we do not know about if he will or won't be called) 3)JMHO they will call someone else as a character witness for RH.

Its possible but I will be surprised. And won't be first or last for that to happen

I have a hard time believing it too. Agree that Kilgore is unlikely to lay out his case for the media.

They can't call "good character" witnesses - there would be no point anyway.

 

[arkansasmimi]

I'm not sure what else they could put on as evidence besides their memory expert and Leanna. I think both of those witnesses will provide all the evidence they need. The phone and text logs are already entered into evidence, so maybe in closing arguments the defense will point out more of that to put things in context.

Also, the defense wants to be careful about opening the door for the State's rebuttal case. The less said, the better in that respect.

thats true.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Quote Originally Posted by arkansasmimi View Post
JMHO I don't believe this. 1) if you have watched any of the Hearings, you will know how Kilgore feels about the media in this case. I can't see him telling them squat, unless to mislead them. JMHO 2) Dr. Diamond, Dr. A, are suppose to be called, and Dr Frist is till on subpoena (we do not know about if he will or won't be called) 3)JMHO they will call someone else as a character witness for RH.

Its possible but I will be surprised. And won't be first or last for that to happen

I have a hard time believing it too. Agree that Kilgore is unlikely to lay out his case for the media.

They can't call "good character" witnesses - there would be no point anyway.

I would think they would call someone re his love for Cooper, not just going but the internet sexters. JMHO

 

[TexMex]

I have a VERY difficult time believing there was NO strong smell of something "off", "different" in that car when RH got in after work. It defies logic. No one will ever know for sure but I think the jury will also be able to come to a logical deduction on this.
The reality is, there would be a difference between when RH got into a hot stuffy, possibly 125 degree car and what it smelled like, and 10 minutes and up to hours later (also having air on during drive, and then at least 2 of the doers open at the scene) when other people were in the car.
IMO


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The ME says there would have by 4pm been a stale odor, different than normal

 

[Lostinredtape]

I have serious doubts about the smell in the car that LE are reporting.

Personal experience . Our climate is brutality hot can get 106 in the shade . Been around dead animals and a few dead humans. My job we had crews of trustees from county. Late July after lunch a trustee was missing , oh crap a run away. We and county sheriffs searched the area for hours . 4:40 ish been a few years the tin shed we stored cement bags in was searched , trustee was hanging there . He was cut down we drug him out of the shed laid out on the ground right there the hot asphalt in a southwest 100 degree day . CPR was tried but he was a goner. That shed got to, im sure 150 easy in full sun on a July 100 degree day and that day was 95 by 10:00 . The smell was urine and feces . No smell of decomposition . Our ME estimated time of death 1:00 - 1:30 ish and found 4:40 ish and no smell. Laid on hot asphalt like many emergency situations get victim out perform CPR ASAP.

So either Cooper was dead a lot longer or the smell is just diaper smell.

As for Ross Harris calling Cooper a little joker how is that wrong I have heard that used as a playful kids ,and We all have remarked we love our kids but they drain your bank account, wallet ,a big money sink or some reference to kids are expensive but never considered killing them.

I think he did premeditated it but Im not seeing the proof.

I started on this trial as Ross was guilty I wanted to see him get his just reward.

 

[arkansasmimi]

And if the good Samaritan, who did CPR and was so distraught over the death of the victim that he immediately left the scene, lied when testifying in court.

I really felt bad for Mr. Hawkins. He is the one who broke down on the stand. He was distraught because his own daughter had died in an automobile accident the year prior. Not sure if he was in the vehicle when happen or how old or anything like that. If he was in the car, I could see how it would really be upsetting. (not that it wouldn't be for anyone jmho)

 

[TexMex]

I have serious doubts about the smell in the car that LE are reporting.

Personal experience . Our climate is brutality hot can get 106 in the shade . Been around dead animals and a few dead humans. My job we had crews of trustees from county. Late July after lunch a trustee was missing , oh crap a run away. We and county sheriffs searched the area for hours . 4:40 ish been a few years the tin shed we stored cement bags in was searched , trustee was hanging there . He was cut down we drug him out of the shed laid out on the ground right there the hot asphalt in a southwest 100 degree day . CPR was tried but he was a goner. That shed got to, im sure 150 easy in full sun on a July 100 degree day and that day was 95 by 10:00 . The smell was urine and feces . No smell of decomposition . Our ME estimated time of death 1:00 - 1:30 ish and found 4:40 ish and no smell. Laid on hot asphalt like many emergency situations get victim out perform CPR ASAP.

So either Cooper was dead a lot longer or the smell is just diaper smell.

As for Ross Harris calling Cooper a little joker how is that wrong I have heard that used as a playful kids ,and We all have remarked we love our kids but they drain your bank account, wallet ,a big money sink or some reference to kids are expensive but never considered killing them.

I think he did premeditated it but Im not seeing the proof.

I started on this trial as Ross was guilty I wanted to see him get his just reward.

I also think he premeditated it but the proof is thin. There were reports that some jurors cried at the ten minute car viewing. My thought is they may have wanted to believe that this was a mistake, an accident, that a parent wouldn't do this purposely. But after seeing the defendant every day, then seeing the small area where RH sat, with Cooper so close....they knew. They knew it was very possible he had planned it. As the defense said it was devastating.
JMO MOO and IMO

 

[arkansasmimi]

I have serious doubts about the smell in the car that LE are reporting.

Personal experience . Our climate is brutality hot can get 106 in the shade . Been around dead animals and a few dead humans. My job we had crews of trustees from county. Late July after lunch a trustee was missing , oh crap a run away. We and county sheriffs searched the area for hours . 4:40 ish been a few years the tin shed we stored cement bags in was searched , trustee was hanging there . He was cut down we drug him out of the shed laid out on the ground right there the hot asphalt in a southwest 100 degree day . CPR was tried but he was a goner. That shed got to, im sure 150 easy in full sun on a July 100 degree day and that day was 95 by 10:00 . The smell was urine and feces . No smell of decomposition . Our ME estimated time of death 1:00 - 1:30 ish and found 4:40 ish and no smell. Laid on hot asphalt like many emergency situations get victim out perform CPR ASAP.

So either Cooper was dead a lot longer or the smell is just diaper smell.

As for Ross Harris calling Cooper a little joker how is that wrong I have heard that used as a playful kids ,and We all have remarked we love our kids but they drain your bank account, wallet ,a big money sink or some reference to kids are expensive but never considered killing them.

I think he did premeditated it but Im not seeing the proof.

I started on this trial as Ross was guilty I wanted to see him get his just reward.

RBBM, Agree with your post! And how many times have we heard or said "I could wring their necks," or is gonna kill me! Not as actually going to strangle someone or actually kill/murder someone. JMHO in this instance or case rather, RH could have put any word in that sentence and it would still be considered "wrong" because whomever JMHO already has RH guilty of something. Just like Stoddard, didn't matter. Most everything has been taken out of context and proven son. Even reading the tons of "sexting" it was presented for the most part out of context and the Defense had to go put it in context. (still disgusting but JMHO had nothing to do with Copper death)

 

[arkansasmimi]

Along with two police officers, Ferrell and Grimstead

http://www.ajc.com/news/local/anoth...ell-death-hot-car-suv/2Rslytv7ny6DpezAETrT8K/

“Normally, I’d associate (the smell) with death,” Carey Grimstead, a former crime scene investigator, told jurors.

Grimstead said he detected the “sickly” smell when he processed the car more than six hours after Harris pulled into the Akers Mill Square shopping center and said he’d just realized he’d left Cooper inside his hot car for hours that day.


James Ferrell, preceded Grimstead on the witness stand Wednesday. Ferrell said he noticed an odor at the shopping center parking lot when standing close to the opened driver’s side door. He then stuck his head in and took a sniff.

“It was a combination of smells,” Ferrell testified. “It smelled like sweat. It smelled like a diaper. And then it smelled like the odor of death.”

And Ferrell didn't write a report until 8/2015 and his testimony has been impeached badly by other witnesses testimony. Grimstead didn't note any smell in his orig report and didn't do a supplemental until 8/2015 after an "informal meeting were it was brought up in conversation" Grimstead couldn't remember who else was present in the meeting. More than 3 total. LEO/CSI/Det at the Crimes Against Person Unit office. Stoddard was the common thread in these 2 reports being made. And the Smell referenced.

 

[arkansasmimi]

JMHO I don't believe this. 1) if you have watched any of the Hearings, you will know how Kilgore feels about the media in this case. I can't see him telling them squat, unless to mislead them. JMHO 2) Dr. Diamond, Dr. A, are suppose to be called, and Dr Frist is till on subpoena (we do not know about if he will or won't be called) 3)JMHO they will call someone else as a character witness for RH.

Its possible but I will be surprised. And won't be first or last for that to happen

Good Golly Miss Molly... Just a thought.. there were 2 witnesses on Friday (the Realtor and Det Murphy) so maybe that is what they were talking about? I am trying to see where it is stated that LH is going to testify Monday. Only way they would know who or how many would be from sitting in the courtroom and over hearing. I listened to the archived videos and nothing was said that only 2 more witnesses. And LH and 2 more are going to take couple weeks? :thinking: I don't see it. JMHO

 

[arkansasmimi]

The PIO talked about the smell at the initial press conference, but there's no proof of that now, unfortunately.

Per Kilgore in one of the Hearings, on Motions about the Media being in courtroom, read multiple stories where as you noted PIO and other LEO making comments that were of their OWN Opinion not facts in the case and printed in local papers. It may have been the Jan 2015 hearing. It on youtube.

 

[arkansasmimi]

I've quoted the wrong post, but you also wonder about activity on the 18th, around morning onwards, I think?

On State's direct with Smith, there's an Activity Log page on screen. Easiest way to get the clearest picture of the communication level is by stopping after the first eight names. I stopped before Stonerbaby.

In the interests of fairness, exclude the bamaxh blocks (4 user names, - Jaynie) as there's around 1,200 exchanges between them over a (mistaken) period of time. Keep in mind there is activity between them on the 18th, as testified and evidenced in trial.

Leaving out overnight activity here. From 7.23.17am to 2.07.56pm there are 85 exchanges between RH and the other seven. Start/end activity is to the right of the log.

DT's cross of Smith is where you'll find names of others he 'conversed' with on that date. Some pages scroll through too quickly to freeze. It's obviously not a complete log, but should give you an indicator of sorts.

Meadows didn't even converse with him on June 18, 2014. RH sent her a message paraphrasing .. gone again I will be said or something. She had testified that spoke or texted everyday but on Cross Kilgore pointed out that from May 31 - June 13 no contact on text/chats. And then the context of messages were than they hadn't spoken because RH didn't know what going on.

ETA: Sorry did not mean this to come out as snarky. :blush: Just that the only text/chat to Jaynie 6/18/14 was from RH and the State tried to make it sound like RH was stalking after JM and that she was trying to stay get him to leave her alone. JMHO from listening to testimony. And that was not the context of what going one.

 

[Rocco]

I really felt bad for Mr. Hawkins. He is the one who broke down on the stand. He was distraught because his own daughter had died in an automobile accident the year prior. Not sure if he was in the vehicle when happen or how old or anything like that. If he was in the car, I could see how it would really be upsetting. (not that it wouldn't be for anyone jmho)

He's the only one I like so far out of this cast of characters.

 

[arkansasmimi]

We have to remember that LH has not spoken to LEO since June 18, 2014 per Stoddard testimony. I would assume that would go for the DA too. She is still listed as a suspect on the police reports. She is going to have to be really careful in her testimony. JMHO Stoddard already thinks she guilty of something because of her "lack of emotions" Her Lawyer will be there I would think to advise her.

I know it is going to be a hard day for the lady. JMHO if the State is too hard on her it may not look good to the Jury. JMHO

 

[Rocco]

I have serious doubts about the smell in the car that LE are reporting.

Personal experience . Our climate is brutality hot can get 106 in the shade . Been around dead animals and a few dead humans. My job we had crews of trustees from county. Late July after lunch a trustee was missing , oh crap a run away. We and county sheriffs searched the area for hours . 4:40 ish been a few years the tin shed we stored cement bags in was searched , trustee was hanging there . He was cut down we drug him out of the shed laid out on the ground right there the hot asphalt in a southwest 100 degree day . CPR was tried but he was a goner. That shed got to, im sure 150 easy in full sun on a July 100 degree day and that day was 95 by 10:00 . The smell was urine and feces . No smell of decomposition . Our ME estimated time of death 1:00 - 1:30 ish and found 4:40 ish and no smell. Laid on hot asphalt like many emergency situations get victim out perform CPR ASAP.

So either Cooper was dead a lot longer or the smell is just diaper smell.

As for Ross Harris calling Cooper a little joker how is that wrong I have heard that used as a playful kids ,and We all have remarked we love our kids but they drain your bank account, wallet ,a big money sink or some reference to kids are expensive but never considered killing them.

I think he did premeditated it but Im not seeing the proof.

I started on this trial as Ross was guilty I wanted to see him get his just reward.

Thanks for sharing your personal experience. I put a lot of stock in posts from people who have first hand knowledge in situations. My only thought would be that a shed is larger than the small cabin of a car and also a shed wouldn't be as sealed as a car with the windows up.

 

[Rocco]

We have to remember that LH has not spoken to LEO since June 18, 2014 per Stoddard testimony. I would assume that would go for the DA too. She is still listed as a suspect on the police reports. She is going to have to be really careful in her testimony. JMHO Stoddard already thinks she guilty of something because of her "lack of emotions" Her Lawyer will be there I would think to advise her.

I know it is going to be a hard day for the lady. JMHO if the State is too hard on her it may not look good to the Jury. JMHO

I wonder if any of the jurors already have an opinion of her after seeing the video of her at the police station with her stinkin' husband. If it's a negative opinion, they might not care if the State is hard on her. But I agree, the State has to be careful how they handle her or it could be a huge negative for them if they let her have it and jurors feel sorry for her.

 

[katydid23]

Exactly. If some didn't smell it, it's possible Ross didn't smell anything either. One of the detectives even testified as much.

It just seems that there are so many things piled on that Ross 'never' saw, heard, smelled, thought of, looked at, etc etc... He never looked towards the car seat, never heard anything, never smelled anything, never thought about him as he got to the drop off turn, and so on and so on....it just seems so convenient for him...

 

[katydid23]

I just read that the Defense only plans to call two more witnesses and Leanna will be called tomorrow. Not sure if this is true - it was an Atlanta reporter on Twitter.

wow. I am going to have to set my alarm. I am in Cali and the trial starts for me here at 5:30---so I usually miss the beginning...lol But the ex-wife---a must see...

 

[arkansasmimi]

Among other oddities, Stoddard said Cooper’s mother, Leanna, never asked to see his body.http://people.com/crime/justin-ross-harris-murder-trial-ex-wife-leanna-suspect/

I saw where Stoddard stated same thing about RH. Yet he testified that when he went to Pipers patrol car he told RH where his son's body was being taken. Det Raisse testified that Det Stockenger took LH and him first to LH/RH residense and dropped Raisse off and Stockenger took LH to CCPD. I feel certain that she was told where Cooper was taken just as RH was. Reviewing Raisse testimony right now.