Trial - Ross Harris #7

[arkansasmimi]

No he hurt many people. Her best friend was tore up I could see it, because she knows and loves Leanna she loved Ross too as I do my married friends and family. I flat do not get why Leanna's mom testified, she must not want to think someone could do this to a child much less her own grandchild. Denial aint just a river in Egypt

She more less testified to authenticate the car seat photos that she took. JMHO

 

[katydid23]

Today's testimony, Boring on cross soliciting from RH's coworker that Ross didnt seemed stressed about the project meeting, and that there was no reason for Ross to be stressed, given it was an initial meet and plan session.

1.Ross was assigned as project manager for the project, the first time he'd been given that responsibility.

Questions that raises-- Just how bad could his work performance have been to have been given that responsibility? And, is it unreasonable to believe Ross might have been stressed by taking on the rsponsiblity, given he was behind on other projects?

Related. The State wants on the one hand to say RH wasn't stressed but in the other hand, they

BBM

I thought it was very interesting that he was being made project manager on the next round. Here is why---

First, have to say that my husband works in a similar type of situation. He works on salary, with flexible hours , as a staff writer for a television station. They work in teams on particular projects. And each writer is given a certain episode to write with a team of 3, and they divvy up the work, and have bi-weekly meetings etc.

He has worked for various stations/entertainment corporations for 25 years so he knows how the group dynamic works.

He has mentioned in the past, that if someone is slacking, or in danger of being let go at the next contract, the Head Writer will often give that writer MORE responsibility on the next project. they do so to see if the person can step up or not. And also, it gives them a solid reason to drop them if they drop the ball on a project they are ultimately responsible for. When you are Project Manager or 'Lead Writer' on a project, then you cannot dodge calls or skip out on meetings, without severe consequences and bad write ups.

So I wonder if they were trying a similar thing with Ross.

 

[Hope4More]

I don't understand why you think that is such a silly argument by the State.

Ross's compulsions and dirty secrets paint a picture of a very self indulgent, selfish, impulsive, immature narcissistic type of individual. Why would they ignore that type of behavior when trying to figure out if he had the compulsion to get rid of his kid?

Katy, we've discussed this so much, and really, I put aside what made sense to me to try to interpret the double life evidence the way you do, to see if I reached the same conclusions.

I just don't see it the way you do. I see a deeply insecure and very emotionally immature man who chose despicable ways of making himself feel better, at the expense of his wife.

I don't think any of those choices nullify his separate love for Cooper, nor do I think they made him capable of murdering Cooper, nor did the fact he hid his despicable choices from his friends, all of whom , btw, seem to be observant, committed Christians.

 

[dizzychick]

Today's testimony, Boring on cross soliciting from RH's coworker that Ross didnt seemed stressed about the project meeting, and that there was no reason for Ross to be stressed, given it was an initial meet and plan session.

1.Ross was assigned as project manager for the project, the first time he'd been given that responsibility.

Questions that raises-- Just how bad could his work performance have been to have been given that responsibility? And, is it unreasonable to believe Ross might have been stressed by taking on the rsponsiblity, given he was behind on other projects?

Related. The State wants on the one hand to say RH wasn't stressed on the 18th, but on the other hand, to argue RH was so stressed by his double life and ready to crack that he decided to kill Cooper that day. Which is it?

Is Georgia an employment at will state like Texas ? My guess is this is corporate's 1st step in getting rid of a slacker, when the project fails as they suspect it will whose head is on the chopping block ? Makes for good records/justification. They dont pay those guys 60 - 80 K to pick their butts LOL

 

[DeDee]

Hmm. Not sure it meant the DT plans on recalling Stoddard, but one can only hope.

What I heard was Kilgore wanting everything about that potential Brady violation put on the record, including the fact the State still had not turned over the material, despite Boring's committing to the Court he would do so, on a date that had already passed.

As Lead Detective, Stoddard will not depart from Brunswick until the verdict is read.

This FBI data is a valid issue of concern. I think the State has been withholding the report, even though Boring said it was simply an oversight by not providing it, b/c they did not want the DT to be privy to it prior to Diamond's testimony. Admittedly, I could be so wrong in my conclusion, and it truly was an oversight. I call it courtroom strategy.
The DT will be provided with the data tomorrow or else Judge Staley will, and rightly so, strongly admonish the State.

 

[arkansasmimi]

I don't think that is what the State is implying at all. They are implying that he hated his life and wanted out of it. His ex wouldn't leave him despite is constant cheating (and I don't buy that she didn't know he went outside of the marriage because he wasn't hiding it well, if at all...). Him cheating doesn't make him capable of killing Cooper. He killed Cooper; that isn't in dispute. But either his sex issues made him want to kill Cooper because he wanted out of his unhappy marriage OR he was so consumed by his sex issues that he neglected Cooper to the point of his death on the day he "forgot" him in the car.

So the guy, kills his kid, screws up his marriage, screws up work.. all this stuff just so he can chat with females online, send photos. Get a bj here and there. Met a prostitute once... this isn't reality. None of it is.

:banghead:

 

[Hope4More]

BBM

I thought it was very interesting that he was being made project manager on the next round. Here is why---

First, have to say that my husband works in a similar type of situation. He works on salary, with flexible hours , as a staff writer for a television station. They work in teams on particular projects. And each writer is given a certain episode to write with a team of 3, and they divvy up the work, and have bi-weekly meetings etc.

He has worked for various stations/entertainment corporations for 25 years so he knows how the group dynamic works.

He has mentioned in the past, that if someone is slacking, or in danger of being let go at the next contract, the Head Writer will often give that writer MORE responsibility on the next project. they do so to see if the person can step up or not. And also, it gives them a solid reason to drop them if they drop the ball on a project they are ultimately responsible for. When you are Project Manager or 'Lead Writer' on a project, then you cannot dodge calls or skip out on meetings, without severe consequences and bad write ups.

So I wonder if they were trying a similar thing with Ross.

That's interesting. Thanks.

And if true here, likely something Ross would have known as well. Handwriting on the wall stuff, consistent imo with being passed over for promotion a month earlier.

 

[catpatrol]

I don't think it is silly at all. If someone is stealing money from their cash register at work every day, and their co-workers don't know, but they vouch for his character and say what a great employee he is, wouldn't that be silly?

And yes, if Ross had truly confided in those that were trying to counsel him, and told them the TRUTH about what he was really doing, then I would believe he was truly remorseful and wanting some help. But by pretending he was only going on Ashley Madison and looking at online, and not mentioning the hookups with strangers on his couch, and the minors and the hookers---that leads me to believe that he had no intentions of changing his behavior at all.

I believe humans are too multidimensional to be characterized by only their flaws. I have friends with DUIs, problems with drugs, etc. I can still say they are good people despite that.

No one is saying he is a good husband, so your example doesn't really fit, IMO.

 

[katydid23]

Katy, we've discussed this so much, and really, I put aside what made sense to me to try to interpret the double life evidence the way you do, to see if I reached the same conclusions.

I just don't see it the way you do. I see a deeply insecure and very emotionally immature man who chose despicable ways of making himself feel better, at the expense of his wife.

I don't think any of those choices nullify his separate love for Cooper, nor do I think they made him capable of murdering Cooper, nor the fact he hid his despicable choices from his friends, all of whom , btw, seem to be observant, committed Christians.

I understand that you don't see it that way. But I guess what I disagree with is that you say that LE is so silly and ridiculous for even considering it had any relevance. Because I bet it is at least 50/50 that people think it might be very relevant. You may not see it as having any impact, but many others do see it that way.

 

[katydid23]

I believe humans are too multidimensional to be characterized by only their flaws. I have friends with DUIs, problems with drugs, etc. I can still say they are good people despite that.

No one is saying he is a good husband, so your example doesn't really fit, IMO.

As do I have friends and family with flaws. We all do. But when someone is DEEPLY FLAWED, then we have to look more closely at them when major accusations are made about them.

No one is characterizing Ross by ONLY his flaws. However, it is disingenuous to pretend he is not a deeply flawed and volatile individual. He was a victim of his own negative compulsions, had very poor impulse control, and was extremely selfish. Hard to ignore that when trying to decide if he would do something very ugly to gain much wanted freedom from an unhappy marriage.

 

[TexMex]

I don't think it is silly at all. If someone is stealing money from their cash register at work every day, and their co-workers don't know, but they vouch for his character and say what a great employee he is, wouldn't that be silly?

And yes, if Ross had truly confided in those that were trying to counsel him, and told them the TRUTH about what he was really doing, then I would believe he was truly remorseful and wanting some help. But by pretending he was only going on Ashley Madison and looking at online, and not mentioning the hookups with strangers on his couch, and the minors and the hookers---that leads me to believe that he had no intentions of changing his behavior at all.

Plus, Ross knew if he told people the truth about the level he'd fallen ( hookers, teenagers, glory holes) to most would have dumped him as a friend. His wife made it clear to him if she found out he had a physical relationship outside of their marriage she would leave him and take their son

 

[arkansasmimi]

As Lead Detective, Stoddard will not depart from Brunswick until the verdict is read.

This FBI data is a valid issue of concern. I think the State has been withholding the report, even though Boring said it was simply an oversight by not providing it, b/c they did not want the DT to be privy to it prior to Diamond's testimony. Admittedly, I could be so wrong in my conclusion, and it truly was an oversight. I call it courtroom strategy.
The DT will be provided with the data tomorrow or else Judge Staley will, and rightly so, strongly admonish the State.

Stoddard has not been in the courtroom each and every day. If you go back and scan he was there for strategic witness testimony. I got the feeling by Judge Staley asking about it this morning after yesterday already asking and being told would be done, that was her admonishment. I would feel certain she meant they get it today. Court out early no reason for them not to. There is also a sealed envelope that they will be discussing prior to Dr Diamond testimony that the State spoke of just prior to Def OS. There is a Motion in Limine iirc over his testimony and over Dr Diamond interview with RH. JMHO Dr Diamond wont be this week. Could be wrong but because of these 2 issues both sides will need that information to prepare for his testimony. JMHO

 

[Gardenista]

Is Georgia an employment at will state like Texas ? My guess is this is corporate's 1st step in getting rid of a slacker, when the project fails as they suspect it will whose head is on the chopping block ? Makes for good records/justification. They dont pay those guys 60 - 80 K to pick their butts LOL

If that's the case, the State would have brought it out in their questioning

 

[ilovewings]

just remember Laci Peterson, murdered by the man who even her mother in law thought was a prince. Time and time again a spouse is murdered and friends and family are shocked; sometimes a man and father will murder his whole family and people are aghast because the face he presented to the world, the photos on Facebook, show a smiling normal looking person. you never know what is going on underneath the smiles.

 

[dizzychick]

BBM

I thought it was very interesting that he was being made project manager on the next round. Here is why---

First, have to say that my husband works in a similar type of situation. He works on salary, with flexible hours , as a staff writer for a television station. They work in teams on particular projects. And each writer is given a certain episode to write with a team of 3, and they divvy up the work, and have bi-weekly meetings etc.

He has worked for various stations/entertainment corporations for 25 years so he knows how the group dynamic works.

He has mentioned in the past, that if someone is slacking, or in danger of being let go at the next contract, the Head Writer will often give that writer MORE responsibility on the next project. they do so to see if the person can step up or not. And also, it gives them a solid reason to drop them if they drop the ball on a project they are ultimately responsible for. When you are Project Manager or 'Lead Writer' on a project, then you cannot dodge calls or skip out on meetings, without severe consequences and bad write ups.

So I wonder if they were trying a similar thing with Ross.

there ya go Bingo ! my hubby worked the same way too for the largest theme parks in America. The newish owners were shrewed like that whereas the good ole boys were more family like. Gosh how those guys missed the good ole days where you were hired on and stayed 35 years with a great retirement etc.

You can bet by this time the treehouse folks were onto him and his work ethics and is why IMO he was looking around applying at Chick fa la etc

 

[SuperTmo]

I don't understand why you think that is such a silly argument by the State.

Ross's compulsions and dirty secrets paint a picture of a very self indulgent, selfish, impulsive, immature narcissistic type of individual. Why would they ignore that type of behavior when trying to figure out if he had the compulsion to get rid of his kid?

I suppose it is a silly argument to people who are willing to justify away anything RH has done, no matter the evidence against him... Anything that speaks to RH's guilt is silly, dumb, redundant, whatever according to some. First we hear, "The state hasn't proven a motive!" But then we hear, "How silly of the state to try and prove that as their motive! That can't be his motive! All these people said he loved his son! Even the random women said so!" I honestly thought people were being deliberately obtuse with posts like that, but I guess not. It is SO FRUSTRATING!!!

 

[dizzychick]

If that's the case, the State would have brought it out in their questioning

you would think so but I guess once the cops saw the sexting they thought that was enough to shock and awe the average juror into any sentence they wanted

 

[SuperTmo]

No he hurt many people. Her best friend was tore up I could see it, because she knows and loves Leanna she loved Ross too as I do my married friends and family. I flat do not get why Leanna's mom testified, she must not want to think someone could do this to a child much less her own grandchild. Denial aint just a river in Egypt

Because if RH is acquitted there is basically no way LH can ever be pursued any further as a suspect. LH's mom wants to close the door on this case so that her own daughter isn't at risk for any part she may have played in Cooper's death, because she is still technically a suspect if I understand it right. ETA: just because they haven't found evidence of her involvement that rose to the level of pressing charges against her doesn't mean they won't in the future... The police may not be actively investigating her at this time, but that could change in the future. SO LH's mom, who has lost a lot in all of this, wants to get this over and done with any way possible and protect her own kid so that she doesn't lose her too.

 

[dizzychick]

I suppose it is a silly argument to people who are willing to justify away anything RH has done, no matter the evidence against him... Anything that speaks to RH's guilt is silly, dumb, redundant, whatever according to some. First we hear, "The state hasn't proven a motive!" But then we hear, "How silly of the state to try and prove that as their motive! That can't be his motive! All these people said he loved his son! Even the random women said so!" I honestly thought people were being deliberately obtuse with posts like that, but I guess not. It is SO FRUSTRATING!!!

didnt they all say that about tot mom too ?

 

[FinallyRegistered]

just remember Laci Peterson, murdered by the man who even her mother in law thought was a prince. Time and time again a spouse is murdered and friends and family are shocked; sometimes a man and father will murder his whole family and people are aghast because the face he presented to the world, the photos on Facebook, show a smiling normal looking person. you never know what is going on underneath the smiles.

Yes, it happens. So do accidents.