Trial - Ross Harris #8

[Hope4More]

I agree..I would take the chance of incriminating myself in the sex related charges in order to make it VERY CLEAR that i DID NOT kill my child deliberately! (if I didn't)

That's the kind of choice Ross made after Stoddard read him his rights and he didn't immediately invoke.

If there's anything this particular trial has taught me, it's how easy it is for people to make initial judgements based on their certainty they can just KNOW someone is guilty because they're not showing their emotions "correctly."

I can imagine what I would have read here if he took the stand. It would have been impossible for him to convince folks here who "know " he's guilty of anything, much less of his innocence, and where it counts, in that courtroom, he would hsve risked not doing the emotion thing right- again - and being put away for life.

 

[JerseyGirl]

I thought it was 10 hours over the course of the 2+ years

You're right, I replayed it and Kilgore said "we spent many hours, I wouldn't be surprised if it were 10 hours discussing just this issue".

The reporter at the end said 10 hours on Sunday.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Surly not. Didn't the State say that she wasn't being looked at? Stoddard still thinks so.

JMHO maybe video of LH saying RH must have left him in the car?

She said that at LAA.

 

[Bc007]

As far as speculation on Diamond I disagree. The info about Ross and been out since he was arrested and shortly there after. If anything, his case has improved over time as state's evidence started to show there was a rush to judgement on some issues. Maybe they couldn't afford him or he had a scheduling conflict. IMO opinion they put the other memory whitness on the stand in his place. His testimony wasn't good only because it seemed speculative and basically everything could go either way. What he didn't say, and what I took from direct was some of the details doesn't change the outcome if it was a memory break. But he didn't .

Hung jury or 2CC is my prediction.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Here is the recording they will play this afternoon:

"UNIDENTIFIED MALE:' OK. Leanna was first -- Ross' wife was first interviewed at Home Depot at the Treehouse location?"

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: True.*

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:' Who did that interview?*

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Detective Stockinger (ph).*

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:' By himself?*

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Detective Racy (ph) was with him.*

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:' That's the one I can't spell. OK.

Was that interview recorded?*

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I believe so.*

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:' OK. On audio?*

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Just audio -- it is recorded. It's audio alone.*

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:' OK. Were they the ones that told Leanna that Cooper was deceased?*

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1407/03/cnr.07.html

 

[momoftwocrazies]

That's the kind of choice Ross made after Stoddard read him his rights and he didn't immediately invoke.

If there's anything this particular trial has taught me, it's how easy it is for people to make initial judgements based on their certainty they can just KNOW someone is guilty because they're not showing their emotions in the "correctly."

I can imagine what I would have read here if he took the stand. It would have been impossible for him to convince folks here who "know " he's guilty of anything, much less of his innocence, and where it counts, in that courtroom, he would hsve risked not doing the emotion thing right- again - and being put away for life.

Hey Hope, I will totally miss reading all your posts even tho I don't agree with most of them. I was wondering, when you watch trials, do you mostly feel defendants are not guilty? A post yesterday sums it up for me. I think almost all of us here made up our minds a while back and nothing is going to change it, no matter what we hear.

 

[Hope4More]

You're right. We don't know why Dr. Diamond didn't testify. However, I cannot imagine that a well-respected paid witness would pull out on short notice without good reason.

However, his unwillingness to testify isn't driving my decision. It's just one more data point.



Exactly.

I am just speculating, but as the case went on, Dr. Diamond saw something that was completely incompatible with FBS (or at the very least gave him serious doubt). Why else would he pull out?

Because the DT decided against him for some reason, same as Dr A, who also was on the initial witness list.

Because the DT thinks the jury is getting restless, and wants to wrap it up now, before minds wander towards turkey.

Because Kilgore didn't want to take the chance of the State effectively undermining what he has now intact- reasonable doubt about forgetting.

Because Diamond is ill or has an emergency conflict in schedule that can't be resolved within the time frame of this trial.

Because he was always on standby, his testimony contingent upon RH's taking the stand, which clearly his counsel has recently discussed with him.

So many possibilities.....

 

[arkansasmimi]

She said that at LAA.

That's right. I thought I heard Treehouse (fox5 kept freezing up grr) But that is where Stockenger and Raisee interviewed her) I think Stockenger interviewed her at CCPD too didn't he?

 

[PaperDoll]

I have to say that I am still on the fence…based on what I've seen (and I haven't seen every single moment of the trial, but most of it) I would have to say that there is reasonable doubt. But I could be convinced to change my mind with compelling argument from jurors who see it differently...

Come over to the, guilty on all accounts, side of the fence, it's pleasant :crazy: You can watch all the drama while knowing you made the right decision because, well, I'm RIGHT!!! and I make sense, well, sort of.. lol :loveyou:

 

[PaperDoll]

Yeah him going back to the car at lunch really makes me think he was checking to see what was going on with Cooper…That just doesn't jive with the love he showed for his son at other times..He truly must be Dr. Jekyl/Mr. Hyde..But we must go with the evidence..

That is part of the evidence, and a big piece at that.

 

[TexMex]

Come over to the, guilty on all accounts, side of the fence, it's pleasant :crazy: You can watch all the drama while knowing you made the right decision because, well, I'm RIGHT!!! and I make sense, well, sort of.. lol :loveyou:

I do think there's a way this jury can get to malice murder
JMO

 

[GA_Peach]

As far as speculation on Diamond I disagree. The info about Ross and been out since he was arrested and shortly there after. If anything, his case has improved over time as state's evidence started to show there was a rush to judgement on some issues. Maybe they couldn't afford him or he had a scheduling conflict. IMO opinion they put the other memory whitness on the stand in his place. His testimony wasn't good only because it seemed speculative and basically everything could go either way. What he didn't say, and what I took from direct was some of the details doesn't change the outcome if it was a memory break. But he didn't .

Hung jury or 2CC is my prediction.

I don't think that Dr. Diamond no longer testifying had anything to do with Ross's sexting. I wouldn't be surprised if it had to do with all of the visual triggers that surround CFA, LAA, and so forth. It's something that is impossible to understand unless you have visited the area firsthand.

Based on Maddox Kilgore's statements a couple of weeks ago, he expected 15-20 days of DT witnesses. Something changed drastically since that time.

I do think there's a way this jury can get to malice murder
JMO

Up until yesterday evening, I would have disagreed with you.

 

[Hope4More]

Hey Hope, I will totally miss reading all your posts even tho I don't agree with most of them. I was wondering, when you watch trials, do you mostly feel defendants are not guilty? A post yesterday sums it up for me. I think almost all of us here made up our minds a while back and nothing is going to change it, no matter what we hear.

Lol. This is obviously the first time we've been posting on a trial thread together.
My last trial was J. Arias's, and as I think others here could probably tell you, that time around I was bashing the slimey DT at every turn, and falling deep in respect for Juan Martinez the prosecutor, who like Kilgore, is a mighty fine trial attorney.

Difference there is the defendant said she had killed her victim, Travis, and it was the victim , Travis who was put on trial.

I don't choose "sides" that way. I love the law, I admire great attorneys, and it will always piss me off to witness what in my very opinionated opinion are abuses by the State.

Peace.

 

[MzOpinion8d]

As far as speculation on Diamond I disagree. The info about Ross and been out since he was arrested and shortly there after. If anything, his case has improved over time as state's evidence started to show there was a rush to judgement on some issues. Maybe they couldn't afford him or he had a scheduling conflict. IMO opinion they put the other memory whitness on the stand in his place. His testimony wasn't good only because it seemed speculative and basically everything could go either way. What he didn't say, and what I took from direct was some of the details doesn't change the outcome if it was a memory break. But he didn't .

Hung jury or 2CC is my prediction.

The basic info was out there, but the trial has revealed just how extensive Ross's secret life was. His case definitely hasn't been improved by any part of the trial testimony, IMO.

 

[popsicle]

11Alive thinks there is info in Dr D's notes that they don't want coming out regarding JRH's knowledge about hot car deaths.

 

[MsMarple]

Wow, no Dr. Diamond and no Ross? It sounds like Kilgore wanted Ross to testify but Ross declined. If so then I'm surprised - it's the opposite of what I would have predicted. According to witnesses, including Leanna, Ross is talkative and enjoys being the center of attention. From watching his video interview he also seems eager to share his many areas of expertise with people. So why would he not testify on his own behalf?

And Dr. Diamond - I'm gobsmacked over that one! I assume the jury doesn't know he was scheduled or that he's the big gun in hot car death cases. If that's true then no harm no foul. But as an outsider - wow. I'd love to know what happened. It can't be money - today's witness will go home with 40k+ and last I heard Diamond is 10k. Even if his fees have gone up I don't think the DT would suddenly become stingy.

This is one weird trial!

 

[GA_Peach]

Because the DT decided against him for some reason, same as Dr A, who also was on the initial witness list.

Because the DT thinks the jury is getting restless, and wants to wrap it up now, before minds wander towards turkey.

Because Kilgore didn't want to take the chance of the State effectively undermining what he has now intact- reasonable doubt about forgetting.

Because Diamond is ill or has an emergency conflict in schedule that can't be resolved within the time frame of this trial.

Because he was always on standby, his testimony contingent upon RH's taking the stand, which clearly his counsel has recently discussed with him.

So many possibilities.....

I don't agree that this was initiated by the DT. Why in the world would the DT substitute THE expert in hot car deaths with a man, Dr. Brewer, who got all of his information from THE expert? If the DT wanted only one memory expert due to time constraints, why not choose Dr. Diamond? It doesn't make any sense.

The DT never had any intention of Ross taking the stand. That was strongly hinted at in many of the pretrial hearings. If that was a condition of Dr. Diamond testifying, I would have hoped that the DT would have sorted that out before publicly claiming that Dr. Diamond was testifying.

ETA - Did Maddox Kilgore mention Dr. Diamond by name in his opening statement?

 

[arkansasmimi]

Here is the recording they will play this afternoon:

"UNIDENTIFIED MALE:' OK. Leanna was first -- Ross' wife was first interviewed at Home Depot at the Treehouse location?"

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: True.*

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:' Who did that interview?*

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Detective Stockinger (ph).*

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:' By himself?*

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Detective Racy (ph) was with him.*

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:' That's the one I can't spell. OK.

Was that interview recorded?*

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I believe so.*

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:' OK. On audio?*

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Just audio -- it is recorded. It's audio alone.*

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:' OK. Were they the ones that told Leanna that Cooper was deceased?*

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1407/03/cnr.07.html

I thought that looked familiar. That was the PC hearing July 3 2014. That unidentified, is Stoddard and Kilgore. Yep you can see right there where unfactual stuff is said.

OK. Well, you have certainly seen Ross' chats on his phone, right?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Once again, sir, there are so many. It's been very sporadic. I have not had time to absorb all the information.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:' OK.

I'm going to approach you then with exhibit one and just ask if you have seen this one.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I have not.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:' You have not?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I have not.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:' OK.

Would it be relevant to your investigation to find out that at 3:16 on June the 18th, Ross had texted his wife, when are you going to get my buddy? Would that be relevant?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, it's very relevant.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:' OK.

And you have had his phone, but you haven't seen that?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No. The last text -- actual text message, if that is a text message, was back in May. If that's a kick or I.M. or Google chat or I don't know where that came from, then, yes, that's probably still in there.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:' OK.

 

[Hope4More]

Come over to the, guilty on all accounts, side of the fence, it's pleasant :crazy: You can watch all the drama while knowing you made the right decision because, well, I'm RIGHT!!! and I make sense, well, sort of.. lol :loveyou:

((Paper doll)). I don't think I have agreed with a single thing you've posted about this trial, but I do think you rock .

 

[SuperTmo]

I think no matter a personal opinion on Dr. Diamond, he was essential to their case. I do not personally believe in FBS or Dr. Diamond's theory, but that doesn't mean he is not a compelling witness. He is a VERY good communicator, and is effective at gaining compassion for a defendant. The fact is, he is THE person for hot car cases. Without him, you cannot find someone who can testify to the same information. (As evidenced yesterday.) IMO, his science isn't sound. That doesn't mean a jury wouldn't find it sound, and it doesn't mean it's not devastating for the defense.

This is exactly how I feel about Dr. Diamond. I don't believe FBS exists, but I do believe that Dr. Diamond has made quite a name for himself by convincing juries that FBS is real and can happen to anyone. I think he is very convincing and manages to make jurors think it could happen to them or their child and since it is so horrifying nobody wants to wrongly punish a parent for something like this if it was truly an accident. I think Dr. Diamond has got enough defendants off with his theory that now people are believing it to the point that idiots like RH think it is the perfect murder. I would bet my left leg that not all of the cases are actually accidents. I have a hard time believing it at all. So if Dr. Diamond won't testify for RH, that speaks volumes.