Trial - Ross Harris #9

[ScotAng]

"Cockamamie"

Powerful stuff, peeps.‎

Yip, I was gonna post 'word of the day'.

Man, my ears are bleeding.

 

[Hope4More]

Debate ended. The guard lied about RH telling him about the movies. And the State? That's rather close to suborning perjury, eh? Truly shameful.

 

[katydid23]

Debate ended. The guard lied about RH telling him about the movies. And the State? That's rather close to suborning perjury, eh? Truly shameful.

There is no evidence that the state knew the guy was lying. Witnesses make up stories all the time. For all we know some of the DT's witnesses lied as well.

 

[blue22]

I think anyone (or at least most) watching the video of Ross ad Leanna will understand why LE was suspicious.

With that said, Kilgore is supposed to be defending Ross not deflecting on to others.

Look at what everyone else is doing...is not a good defense.

JMO.

 

[Hope4More]

But that all has ZERO relevance to whether or not Ross is guilty of murder or neglient homicide. It is a distraction, imo.

It has everything to do with demolishing their case for malice.

 

[yupikgirl]

Here's the video: unclear whether he turned because it's fuzzy, but the pauses occur as the guy approaches Ross's car. As soon as he gets by Ross's car, Ross begins walking toward work again.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Hvo9PQEeuM4

I watched this on my 60 inch tv. It's still hard to see! But he definitely pauses. I see him pause twice. I can't see what he's doing.


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[JerseyGirl]

Kilgore continues:

Kilgore points out that the state blew its analysis of Harris's work on a website for Griffin Psychology. Police and experts suggested that Harris's development of the site indicated something nefarious on Harris's part. Kilgore calls this whole line of evidence a "fraud," saying that Harris was engaged in a perfectly legitimate business pursuit.

The prosecution expert testified that Harris frequently "cleared his cache," indicating that he was trying to hide something.

"He found that so suspicious that he threw around words like 'crafty' and 'Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde,'" Kilgore said. He points out that web developers frequently "clear cache" as a routine part of their work.

 

[blue22]

There is no evidence that the state knew the guy was lying. Witnesses make up stories all the time. For all we know some of the DT's witnesses lied as well.

Their star witness Leanna lied at least 3 times on stand!

 

[katydid23]

I was thinking of the diaper recently. There was no poop in the diaper (sorry for the technical term, lol), only urine. In Cooper's stomach, there was orange juice and a bit of potato, IIRC.

Ross claims that Cooper ate at home, before going out to breakfast. If that were true, wouldn't Cooper either have undigested food in his body and/or poop in his diaper?

Doesn't mean much, I suppose, but I'm wondering if Ross fed the little boy that day at all. Even though he was a little boy and perhaps had a small appetite, I would think he would have something other than OJ and a bite of potato for breakfast - especially since he was running late and wouldn't have breakfast at daycare.

I was so surprised when I learned the diaper only had urine in it.

Just a random thought....

I cannot believe that Ross could climb into a closed up, boiling hot car, and not at least smell the urine soaked diaper and the sweat.

 

[ScotAng]

I thought Cooper appeared alert and shifting in the chickfila video, others might not have.

rsfor point. He was. Have you seen the part of the video where Cooper runs in the door at CFA? Wide awake club.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Now I've got this guy outside. Practicing what he's going to say- from channel 11.


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he wants to go to lunch too. Shut up Kilgore!

here is the live stream, Kilgore continues:

[video=youtube;v9f3D1MsBmI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9f3D1MsBmI[/video]

 

[ScotAng]

Debate ended. The guard lied about RH telling him about the movies. And the State? That's rather close to suborning perjury, eh? Truly shameful.

How could the State have any way of knowing he was lying? Unless you're suggesting Stoddard & co also asked the guard to lie?

 

[just the facts pls]

"Escape" wouldn't mean murder if Cooper hadn't ended up dead shortly thereafter.

That is the difference. :facepalm:

 

[katydid23]

I think it does suggest that he wanted an escape from his family burdens.

And how is it preposterous that he was texting a hug while he was deciding to abandon his son? He texted all day and night.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Kilgore continues:

Kilgore turns to the state's early contention that Harris had searched for "child free" websites. Defense experts testified that he never ran any such searches.

"Det. Stoddard couldn't tell us when he found out that information, when he knew this grand evidence of motive was bogus. But we know this. He never wrote a report about it. I think it's fair for you to ask yourself, were the police just hoping Kilgore wouldn't find out about it? But he did.

"You've been misled. You have been misled. Throughout this trial.

"Your responsiblity is to hold the state accountable. You hold them to their burden. And if you see or recognize an effort to mislead you in any way, you are to remember that when determining credibility in that jury room."

 

[minor4th]

Glad Kilgore called it what it is - preposterous.

 

[katydid23]

Kilgore's whispery low voice turning into his shriek high pitched voice in bursts....very annoying, imo.

 

[just the facts pls]

"Inconsolable when allowed to speak to his wife"

Only after he had been charged and was worried about what everyone else would think of him.

 

[Hope4More]

Kilgore is rocking it. Enough, maybe, to set the trajectory of jury deliberations, to have them begin with discussion of the first charge as a charge, as instructed, rather than starting from the middle and asking - was it possible for RH to forget?

 

[JerseyGirl]

Kilgore continues :jail:

Kilgore, who is now 90 minutes into his closing argument, turns to the the Whisper image the state emphasized throughout the investigation and during opening statements: "I hate being married with kids. The novelty has worn off, and I have nothing to show for it."

"That was their centerpiece," Kilgore said. "And the centerpiece isn't even something that Ross wrote. ... What does Ross do? He engages. He tries to connect. ..."

Prosecutor Chuck Boring opened his argumeent with a quote from Harris that he made in response: "I love my son and all, but we both need escapes."

"What he doesn't say is what the state is trying to suggest that he says: 'I love my son and all, but I'm about to murder him in the next 15 minutes.' Of course he doesn't say that."