Trial - Ross Harris #9

[just the facts pls]

CAR ODOR.

Doesn't matter what was reported, I don't think it's possible for a boiling hot car containing a dead body to NOT reek of death. Or, at a minimum an unfamiliar odor that pierces your soul. Having smelled human death before I can tell you it's a smell so jarring, so penetrating you never forget it. I don't mean offensive like passing a dumpster, nor does it have to be a very strong odor. A whiff from afar is enough to rattle your inner core. You immediately know what it is, too. Indescribable, really.‎
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As a random side note, I've gotten lunch at the drive-thru before and although I didn't leave it in my car, upon returning several hours later (in the hot summer) ‎my car's interior reeked of putrid rot simply from the MOLECULES left behind from that lunch.

I've mistakenly left damp clothing in the car for a few short hours and lived to regret it for weeks. Same with a dirty diaper. A dirty diaper left in a hot car is stomach churning. You immediately start searching for the offensive item before hopping in your car & driving away.‎

Food aroma, diapers and wet bathing suits are nothing compared to human tissue & gas (not to mention most likely accompanied by a dirty diaper.)

Question, we're the windows rolled up or down when RH pulled into the parking lot, and/or how many doors remained open on his SUV?

At a minimum, RH should have smelled SOMETHING that jarred his 'memory' as soon as he opened the car when leaving work at the end of the day.

Regardless, the odor is KEY for me. It points to guilt beyond ALL reasonable doubt.
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Odor is a big issue for me too.

Almost everyone at the scene said they smelled something. Sometimes it was urine, sometimes it was sweat, sometimes it was a vague musty odor, and sometimes it was decomposition. They all agreed that there was an odor coming from the car.

I have a hard time believing that JRH smelled absolutely nothing getting into a piping hot car that had been baking his son the entire day. (Sorry to put it so bluntly, but it is what it is.) I'm supposed to believe, beyond all logic and reason, that he neither saw Cooper getting into his car or smelled anything driving for several miles. smh

 

[minor4th]

Like DT said in closing, I find JRH capable of both, loving his son while being a creep at the same time.

No doubt.

 

[Hope4More]

Was it? Was it not the 'real' Ross and Cooper when he was laying next to Cooper in bed and sexting a 14 yr old?

It was the real Ross AND COOPER. Only children who are deeply attached to a parent and who have reason to trust that attachment act like we just saw Cooper did, with such utter joy.

I imagine demonstrating just that is why the DT chose to play this particular video.

 

[blue22]

100% agree. Do you want to know why I think he did that? (Probably not, but I am going to tell you anyway.) Because it's not what happened here.

No one is going to buy it. Maybe that' why Diamond didn't testify it. It might be that simple.

 

[DaleTray]

Me too. He said everything he needed to say, and he did it with conviction, passion and intelligence.

I believe he should have somehow incorporated JRH's immediate response when frantic "Fuc_ You" to reinforce JRH was immediately placed in cuffs and under suspicion from that moment forward. Those 2 words started this whole thing and has had to have been attempted to be supported by LE since then

 

[Hope4More]

100% agree. Do you want to know why I think he did that? (Probably not, but I am going to tell you anyway.) Because it's not what happened here.

With respect and good humor, Peach:. pffftttt.

 

[monkeypants]

Odor is a big issue for me too.

Almost everyone at the scene said they smelled something. Sometimes it was urine, sometimes it was sweat, sometimes it was a vague musty odor, and sometimes it was decomposition. They all agreed that there was an odor coming from the car.

I have a hard time believing that JRH smelled absolutely nothing getting into a piping hot car that had been baking his son the entire day. (Sorry to put it so bluntly, but it is what it is.) I'm supposed to believe, beyond all logic and reason, that he neither saw Cooper getting into his car or smelled anything driving for several miles. smh

A urine soaked diaper smells when you enter the room after your baby has been left for a 2 hour nap in a normal room temperature. A urine soaked diaper sitting on a 125 degree car seat in a closed oven like atmosphere for somewhere between 7 to 8 hours would likely knock you over with Odor after you get into the car and sit down into the drivers seat. I know he is hard of hearing but is he hard of smelling as well?

 

[EquallyDivided]

A urine soaked diaper smells when you enter the room after your baby has been left for a 2 hour nap in a normal room temperature. A urine soaked diaper sitting on a 125 degree car seat in a closed oven like atmosphere for somewhere between 7 to 8 hours would likely knock you over with Odor after you get into the car and sit down into the drivers seat. I know he is hard of hearing but is he hard of smelling as well?

Hey, that's just another coincidence in the life of the most misunderstood, unluckiest male in the world.

I stop way short of calling him a man.

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[just the facts pls]

The new thing for everyone to say is 'nobody knows how they would respond to trauma, disaster, etc...' but there is a believable and a non-believable way to respond. And if your response sets off everyone's hinky meter, then you mis-played it. I tend to think it's the 'actors' who come off wrong, because it's not a normal reaction, but their opinion of what a normal reaction would be.
I work with a drama queen, who is constantly making up scenes and responding to them in what she considers a flattering (to her) way, and she has no idea she is a laughing stock and no one believes a word she says or believes that what she is telling even happened. And she has no clue.
From the first day I heard of this, I thought RH was guilty and that LH may be involved. I still believe the same way, and if I was on that jury, he'd be going down for it.
Just my opinion. I'd be voting for guilty.

100% agree. With the way Kilgore argues, even the most unrepentant murderer would be simply grieving in their own way.

Pretty much everyone agrees that there is a range of emotions when a parent losing a child. IMO that range would be even more limited considering that Cooper was a planned child. They tried for a year to get pregnant. LH testified that she got upset when the pregnancy test was negative. Cooper was also their firstborn child. There's many reasons to expect JRH and LH to be completely broken losing Cooper, not when JRH is being charged with a crime and not when LH was being asked to answer routine questions by LE. IMO

 

[DaleTray]

At minimum, no matter the verdict in this case, LE is on notice on all future Kilgore cases not to try to pull the wool over the DT and jurors eyes or they w be publicly called on the carpet

 

[Deleted member 39678]

If I smell something bad I don't always immediately search for the source. Depends on what I'm doing. If I'm on my way somewhere I may wait to check on it later. JMO.

 

[katydid23]

If I smell something bad I don't always immediately search for the source. Depends on what I'm doing. If I'm on my way somewhere I may wait to check on it later. JMO.

If you smell urine in your car, and you have a small child, you pretty much KNOW the source immediately.

 

[just the facts pls]

A urine soaked diaper smells when you enter the room after your baby has been left for a 2 hour nap in a normal room temperature. A urine soaked diaper sitting on a 125 degree car seat in a closed oven like atmosphere for somewhere between 7 to 8 hours would likely knock you over with Odor after you get into the car and sit down into the drivers seat. I know he is hard of hearing but is he hard of smelling as well?

It's possible. I know someone who had their nose broken at a very young age and he has a somewhat impaired sense of smell. I accidentally forgot leftovers from a restaurant in his car and he certainly smelled it the next morning when he got into his car to go to work.

I'm unconvinced that JRH smelled nothing, especially since we have no reason to believe his smell is impaired. Nobody on the stand testified to JRH being unable to smell nor did they relate any story that might suggest JRH's smell was impaired by an accident.

 

[LibertyandJustice4]

Lpooking at houses and looking at cruises is just another way to cover up his double life, imo

I actually don't think this is a cover-up because he didn't bother to cover-up some of his other Internet behavior. I don't think we can have that both ways where he's doing this just to provide evidence of being a great father when he didn't cover up the evidence that he wasn't so great thinking he wouldn't be caught. I think instead that he very much cares about his image and buying houses and going on vacations projects that image of success regardless of who ends up moving/going with him, or if he even ends up going/moving at all.

 

[blue22]

If you smell urine in your car, and you have a small child, you pretty much KNOW the source immediately.

That's just one of the many things that have to be explained and contorted, to explain poor Ross.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

If you smell urine in your car, and you have a small child, you pretty much KNOW the source immediately.

Like an old diaper that got left in the car? I know. Nobody would leave an old diaper in their car.

 

[Hope4More]

IMO the reason why Kilgore downplayed forgetting is because he doesn't want to make that the focus of the jury's deliberations on malice. What answers the jury find are dependent upon what questions they ask themselves.

On malice, the DT wants the jury to ask themselves- did the State prove intent? Rather than the State's preference - was it possible for RH to forget Cooper?

 

[justkk]

Odor is a big issue for me too.

Almost everyone at the scene said they smelled something. Sometimes it was urine, sometimes it was sweat, sometimes it was a vague musty odor, and sometimes it was decomposition. They all agreed that there was an odor coming from the car.

I have a hard time believing that JRH smelled absolutely nothing getting into a piping hot car that had been baking his son the entire day. (Sorry to put it so bluntly, but it is what it is.) I'm supposed to believe, beyond all logic and reason, that he neither saw Cooper getting into his car or smelled anything driving for several miles. smh

THIS. This has always been one of the biggest issues for me. Along with the proximity of the seat accompanied with RH size.
It just defies logic to me that he didn't see him, feel his presence, etc.. In the 33 seconds alone in the car with him, when he reached to his right to get his briefcase and drink, when he got back IN the car (possibly having to move the lightbulbs to put onto passenger seat and place his briefcase into the passenger side floor.
ALL the rest of it - the MANY "unlucky" coincidences of the day and the double life, the strange behavior in the recordings, are all just extra things piling onto those facts.
I didn't have any pre trial bias as I didn't hear/see the coverage here (I "heard" about the case initially, but not the media bias stuff that a lot of people were exposed to).
Just can't really get past the car stuff.
JMO


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[rob]

I'll just never believe he didn't hear, see or smell anything getting in and out of the car, backing the car, tossing a bag into the car, BUT driving down the road and making a right turn, he SAW him. Why then? Did he have to look behind him to turn right?
I'm just calling BS on that.

 

[gitana1]

It was the real Ross AND COOPER. Only children who are deeply attached to a parent and who have reason to trust that attachment act like we just saw Cooper did, with such utter joy.

I imagine demonstrating just that is why the DT chose to play this particular video.

There are videos of Caylee Anthony acting like that with her mom as her mom wrestles with her on the floor. In any event, I can get a baby who doesn't know me to act like that within 10 minutes or so of meeting me. Not persuasive.