trial thread: 3/23/2012

[SideKick]

Were the detectives in uniform? If I saw my son with cops, I'd be questioning what the heck was going on. Maybe it wasn't his first run in with authorities (??) :waitasec:

:moo:

Actually, me too n/t, I'd say, 'What is going on' IN MY HOUSE! Unless she is as haywired as the rest and didn't realize he was a Det. Good question. Plain clothes/ just another guy?

 

[~n/t~]

I'm having serious WS loading issues and won't be able to post the tweets!!

 

[Sailor Bug]

The boartd is so slowwwwwwwww today!!

McClintic was brought to police HQ on May 19th. Jim Smyth did the interview.

McClintic admitted to kidnapping Tori, implicated Rafferty was involved, Darmon says.

McClintic took police on a series of drive alongs. Trying to find Tori's body, other significant landmarks.

McClintic helped the search in late May and early June.

McClintic interviewed on May 19, 2009.

Darmon said McClintic admitted her participation in abduction and killing of Tori. Implicated Rafferty.

Police immediately took McClintic to Guelph area to try to find the remains of Tori.

Nine searches were made with McClintic, who had been charged.

 

[nettie_82]

I'm having serious WS loading issues and won't be able to post the tweets!!

You're not the only one.

 

[Sailor Bug]

Nine searches were made with McClintic, who had been charged.

McClintic took police on a series of drive alongs. Trying to find Tori's body, other significant landmarks.

Twice McClintic was taken up in a helicopter to help in the search.

 

[nettie_82]

If TLM had been the "engine" behind this and was telling MTR where to drive after the HD stop in Guelph, would she not have been able to tell police exactly where Tori's body was? I really don't think it would have taken 9 searches to find her if she knew the area well enough to tell MTR where to drive.

JMO

 

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PowerPoint presentation being made to jury of landmarks McClintic pointed out during searches.

 

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Adrian Morrow ‏
OPP took McClintic out nine times searching for the body. Police videoed the whole thing as McClintic's statements could be evidence.

Adrian Morrow ‏
On May 19, after McClintic confessed, police took her to Guelph in unmarked police vehicle to retrace their last steps

Adrian Morrow ‏
Before she confessed, police got permission to have McClintic walk outside Tori's school to see if she walked like the woman in the video

Adrian Morrow ‏
On May 19, 2009, OPP got approval to put McClintic to a polygraph test.

 

[Sailor Bug]

Now going through a photo slide show with Darmon. Showing her home, Woodstock church.
McClintic signed in at the church, picked up food vouchers.

 

[KMouse]

He could be lying about her to explain his knowledge of the case. OR it's true and I have to wonder if she lives in the house that he knew the layout of that was right next to Oliver Stephen School. JMO

Is there really an Amanda?
Is her daughter friends with Tori?
Was Tori ever over there on play dates?
Was MR ever alone with Amanda's daughter?
Is Amanda one of the single Mom's MR talked to TLM about when he discussed kidnapping somebody?
Was this girl ever alone with MR?

I feel like throwing up.

 

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Court is looking at various photos and documents showing McClintic's day on April 8: grocery store surveillance, food voucher etc.

Showing an image of a food voucher.

McClintic appeared to be wearing a similar coat to the one seen in the CASS video. Shown on security video.

Jury being shown video from Foodland store where McClintic took food voucher on day Tori abducted.

Darmon said the video was of interest because it shows a person with a coat on that was similar to the one worn in the abduction

 

[ChaChaCha]

Finally, a reporter looked into the legal precedent regarding the original videotape confession. It's called a "K.G.B." application.

Thank-you, Christie Blatchford.

Some info here:

Finally, a reporter looked into the legal precedent regarding the original videotape confession.

Thank-you, Christie Blatchford.

Some info here:

Thanks for the info Wondergirl ... very interesting case - actually caused a change in law affecting court cases with recanting witnesses.

What is worthy of note here (whether good or bad - you may decide) is that nothwithstanding that TLM recanted mid-January 2012, the charges against MR were not amended by the Crown to a lesser charge (i.e. second degree, whatever), although there may have been discussions between the two sides during the time leading up to the trial (and last week, when a day was set aside for legal arguments).

Notwithstanding that the charges have not been amended to a lesser degree, the jury does have the option of findng MR guilty on a lesser charge if they find that his involvement was not with an evil intent ... which is where the defense is now headed.

I know that the charge Murder One when strictly applied is used in cases where a defendent was present at a kidnapping that results in murder, and under the letter of the law, his presence would make him as guility (if found so by a jury) as TLM ... HOWEVER there are now unforseen circumstances in the Crown's case against MR (ie TLM recanting, her creditability as a witness, a lack of forensic evidence as regards sexuall abuse of the victim on his part, and the change in law with respect to recanting witnesses, etc.)

Even though some of those following the case may be relying on the technical definition of Murder One to assess MR's guilt by reason of his being present with TM, does not mean that the jury has to go with all or nothing in their findings. They can at their option determine a verdict of other than Murder One which would net MR a lesser sentence than life. The Crown's position follows the strictest interpretation of the Charge, because they of course do not want the jury to allocate blame between the two - whereas the defense does want the jury to see an allocation.

I understand that some of you may not care about splitting hairs but in a trial it is always about a jury of twelve unanimously deciding on a verdict, so some jurors may feel in for a penny in for a pound, whilst others will be more likely to split the hairs. The defence wants all of the jurors to split hairs, and that why it is driving home an allocation of culpability. Some jurors may need it spelled out for them more than others. Can you imagine the discussions in the jury room once the jury is sequestered??? Oh my!





:truce:

 

[crazyladi]

Finally other people on the stand filling in the blanks. I knew it would happen once TLM was done. Its about time.

 

[Sailor Bug]

The video was recorded in the frozen foods section. Called the "cheese camera".

Court is looking at various photos and documents showing McClintic's day on April 8: grocery store surveillance, food voucher etc.

 

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RaffertyLFP: Darmon said the video was of interest because it shows a person with a coat on that was similar to the one worn in the abduction.

Slideshow showing more over head shots of Woodstock.

 

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Slides being shown to court are of places McClintic said she had visited on day of abduction.

Now closer shots of Oliver Stephens.

 

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At Derstine's suggestion, Heeney reminds the jury about investigative hearsay. Darmon said Rafferty drove by the school.

 

[dilbert]

If TLM had been the "engine" behind this and was telling MTR where to drive after the HD stop in Guelph, would she not have been able to tell police exactly where Tori's body was? I really don't think it would have taken 9 searches to find her if she knew the area well enough to tell MTR where to drive.

JMO

Stall tactic, she wants to show that she's helping in order to make herself look better, but the longer it takes the police to find the body, the less chance of incriminating evidence being preserved.

MOO

 

[Sailor Bug]

Shots of retirement home being shown. Jury has seen these photos before.

 

[dilbert]

The new version of events came out while talking to a counsellor, but when police came to the prison to take her new statement the next day, court heard, another detail in her story was different. McClintic said she was the one who decided to buy the hammer and garbage bags - it wasn't Rafferty who told her what to buy.

McClintic said she was lying to police.

``I made that statement because I was trying to get out of testifying,'' she said.

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