Trial Thread 4/12/2012

[~n/t~]

Good lord, more girlfriends? Didn't he just move back to Woodstock at the beginning of the year? Is this number 6 or 7 within a 4 month period? :waitasec:

MOO

Right....and remember he told the cops he didn't know too many people. :liar:

 

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AM980.ca ‏ @AM980_Court
LaBute says the car was dirty, white washed interior. She didn't stare at the car. She's not a car person.

AM980.ca ‏ @AM980_Court
She saw Tim Horton's cups in the back. Venne asks if there was a car seat in the back. She says yes. Blankets were over top.

RaffertyLFP: The woman described Rafferty's car - said the inside was "whitewashed" but the overall look was dirty and littered

AM980.ca ‏ @AM980_Court
She doesn't remember seeing the bottom portion of the back seat.

 

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RaffertyLFP: The next day they went to Cora's breakfast place in London but they couldn't find it. He appeared nervous always on phone

AM980.ca ‏ @AM980_Court
He picked her up at 11 the next morning. Tried to go to a breakfast place in London, couldn't find it. Just got a coffee.

RaffertyLFP: Rafferty told her he worked as a hiring person for construction sites, that why he was always on the phone

 

[Kamille]

RaffertyLFP: The next day they went to Cora's breakfast place in London but they couldn't find it. He appeared nervous always on phone

AM980.ca ‏ @AM980_Court
He picked her up at 11 the next morning. Tried to go to a breakfast place in London, couldn't find it. Just got a coffee.

RaffertyLFP: Rafferty told her he worked as a hiring person for construction sites, that why he was always on the phone

Another new job title. :floorlaugh:

MOO

 

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AM980.ca ‏ @AM980_Court
Rafferty told her he used his phone constantly for work. Told her he hired other people to do construction work. He apologized to LaBute.

AM980.ca ‏ @AM980_Court
Rafferty's car "seemed really, really dirty" the next day.

RaffertyLFP: The woman said the car was still very dirty - back seat covered with blanket and litter

 

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AM980.ca ‏ @AM980_Court
LaBute "already knew she wasn't interested" in Rafferty. He "seemed really needy."

RaffertyLFP: The woman said Rafferty talked about going out to dinner but she lost interest - seemed really "needy"

RaffertyLFP: Raffferty later called her asking why she hadn't called She got annoyed and arranged meeting at coffee shop to break it off

AM980.ca ‏ @AM980_Court
He asked about dinner. She never called him back. He called again days later, wondering why she hadn't called. She eventually agreed to meet

 

[nobodyzgirl]

I see the defense is trying to confuse the jury. Nice try but the facts are the DNA found were 1 in billions or trillions that it belonged to foreign source. Furthermore, we know the car was washed and items thrown out and possible washing of shoes and coat.

But who knows. It might work for this jury. Baez did the same thing and it worked for 12 jurors in Florida. He had a flip charts and markers and all that new tech stuff <sarcasm>

Nah...doubt it would happen here. lol

You can't tell us if Michael Rafferty had sex with Tori Stafford," Derstine says. McLean says she only tested for detection of fluids

McLean also agrees that DNA evidence doesn't prove Toro and Rafferty were in the car together at the same time. No more questions

They are attempting to create reasonable doubt, my understanding of the cross examination was to show that the DNA and blood found and the samples taken and tested could have happened at any time and not necessarily at the same time, which could create doubt that MR and Tori were in the car together at the same time. Also the fact that DNA was found, does not mean that a sexual assault occurred. I personally think they have created doubt and no doubt I'm from a small minority that think the defence is doing a good job at creating reasonable doubt. At the end of it, it doesn't matter what I think, it is what the jury thinks that is important. JMO

 

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RaffertyLFP: The woman said they made small talk , she said had to get to a rehearsal, She left and had not further contact with him

Avery Moore &#8207; @AveryFreeFMNews
LaButte says #Rafferty met her and friends for drinks. He drove her home. They drove to London next day for breakfast.

AM980.ca &#8207; @AM980_Court
It was a Saturday, a week after breakfast drive. They talked. Rafferty offered to drive her to rehearsal for a play. She said no.

AM980.ca &#8207; @AM980_Court
Never saw him again. No more questions from Venne. None from Derstine.

 

[Oldsoul2]

RaffertyLFP: The next witness is another former girlfriend of Michael Rafferty. She worked at Staples in Woodstock - He was a customer and chatted her up

AM980.ca &#8207; @AM980_Court
She met Rafferty at Staples. Asked her if she knew any good places to eat in Woodstock (he was new to town). They exchanged numbers

Avery Moore &#8207; @AveryFreeFMNews
Defence done with McLean. She is excused. Melanie LaButte called. She met #Rafferty in a Staples. Said she would show him around Woodstock.

Another one! I can't follow, he's a serial dater amongst other things, wow women play a huge role in his life

 

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RaffertyLFP: Michael Griswold is next witness,

RaffertyLFP: Griswold is a Woodstock resident and lived on Tennyson St. a neighbor of Rafferty

RaffertyLFP: Griswold said he helped moved Rafferty to Woodstock from Guelph He also moved Rafferty's car

 

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AM980.ca &#8207; @AM980_Court
Carnegie handles the questions. Griswold lives in Woodstock, did in 2009.

RaffertyLFP: Griswold towed Rafferty's car - he said it had no clutch and ripped back bumper this was March 2008

 

[fats]

RaffertyLFP: The next day they went to Cora's breakfast place in London but they couldn't find it. He appeared nervous always on phone

AM980.ca &#8207; @AM980_Court
He picked her up at 11 the next morning. Tried to go to a breakfast place in London, couldn't find it. Just got a coffee.

RaffertyLFP: Rafferty told her he worked as a hiring person for construction sites, that why he was always on the phone

Does BA also "supply" the constructions site with workers? What a liar--love to see the phone log--that must tell a lot about MR. Do you think MR was picking up lots of girls and didn't have the nerve to go ahead with his goulish ways---then decided to try a younger girl? He is a pervert and behavior in such people often starts out voyeuristic and then escalates?

 

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AM980.ca &#8207; @AM980_Court
Griswold lived on Tennyson near Rafferty. He helped him move to Woodstock from Guelph.

Please tweet having problems

 

[Oldsoul2]

Didn't this very same thing happen with TLM? She met him, slept with him then didn't call him so he showed up at her house and the rest is history.

 

[snoofer]

When the prosecutor said to "listen closely to the DNA evidence", he wasn't kidding. It's all so convoluted to a layperson and IMO sure doesn't prove anything, except that a tiny drop of blood on the door frame belonging to anyone other than Tori is astronomical odds. The location of said droplet is not in a place one would expect it to be, if it was deposited entering or exiting the vehicle.

Sure hope there's more evidence than what's been presented so far.

Derstine asks the experts you can't say it means ________. The thing is with DNA is it can tell the who but it takes lawyers to interpret the what, where, when, how and why. So it is unfair and misleading for Derstine to ask that question of an expert who is to determine the "who" of DNA only.:moo:

 

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RaffertyLFP: Griswold later saw Rafferty driving the car. He also saw it parked in the driveway or on the street at 70 Tennyson

RaffertyLFP: Griswold points out Rafferty's house on an aerial view

RaffertyLFP: Griswold said he went over to complain once about loud music from Rafferty's car

 

[Sailor Bug]

Griswold lived on Tennyson near Rafferty. He helped him move to Woodstock from Guelph.

Rafferty moved to Woodstock in March 2008. Helped him move his car, as well.

Car had no clutch during the moved. Was taken on a car dolly. Clutch was soon replaced. Griswold points out where Rafferty lived on a photo

Griswold said the music in Rafferty's car was too loud, early in the morning.

He mentions spring clean up in Woodstock. Large items are allowed to be put on the curb. City picks them up, or public can pick up items

 

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RaffertyLFP: Griswold said he went over to complain once about loud music from Rafferty's car

During clean up, there was garbage in front of Rafferty's home, near the end of April.

RaffertyLFP: Griswold recalls a spring cleanup week He said there was garbage in front of Rafferty's house

 

[Salem]

During clean up, there was garbage in front of Rafferty's home, near the end of April.

He mentions spring clean up in Woodstock. Large items are allowed to be put on the curb. City picks them up, or public can pick up items.

Griswold said the music in Rafferty's car was too loud, early in the morning.

Car had no clutch during the moved. Was taken on a car dolly. Clutch was soon replaced. Griswold points out where Rafferty lived on a photo

AM980.ca &#8207; @AM980_Court

 

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RaffertyLFP: Griswold is reviewing a prior statement he made to police in May 2009 to refresh his memory

Carnegie shows Griswold a witness synopsis. Has details he gave to police. He told police the garbage was at Rafferty's home April 15/

RaffertyLFP: Griswold said the spring cleanup was around April 15 ,2009 He said he looked at the garbage pile in front of Rafferty's house

Griswold says he looked through the pile in front of the home. There was a ripped car seat.