Trial Thread 4/17/2012

[flipflop]

Interesting thought but it was sideroad 5E that they would have had to turn on to get to Concession Rd 6N. The same sideroad that he worked on. But the crime definitely pitted two evils together with one innocent child.

MOO

It is sideroad 5 which the landfill site is on. This is the otherside of hwy 6. Sideroad 5 turns into sideroad 6 after the bend on this road.

 

[Jezbel]

Is it correct that Tori's blood was only found on the area where the car door opens and closes?

Also found on MR's gym bag, deep in the material, naked to the visible eye.

 

[Kamille]

Is it correct that Tori's blood was only found on the area where the car door opens and closes?

Yes, one drop on the door frame right beside the back passenger seat of the car. Which in turn likely transferred to the rubber door moulding when the door was closed. Mixed with sperm cells from an unknown male. Unknown because the sperm cells were two minute to test for DNA identification. And one drop in the gym bag.

MOO

 

[Macright]

Is it correct that Tori's blood was only found on the area where the car door opens and closes?

I believe that is correct...it could have splattered when she was thrown from the car..stomped on by TLM (she has admitted to that under oath) and then struck numerous times with the hammer that TLM purchased at the HD..JMO

 

[Ardy]

Highway 6
Concession 6
Sideroad 6

666

Wow...........that is weird.........JMO

 

[Salem]

STOP BICKERING NOW! This thread will be locked and important testimony will be lost.

STOP! IT IS NOT NECESSARY. MOVE PAST ANY POST YOU CANNOT RESPOND TO RESPECTFULLY.

Salem

 

[flipflop]

Wow...........that is weird.........JMO

and weirder yet....if they left Home Depot in Guelph shortly after 5, they would have arrive at this lane around.....6

 

[Sailor Bug]

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Mike Knoll: we have no confirmation one way or the other. I was thinking that it would be a silly thing to lie about as, if you're dating someone, I'd assume you'd end up dancing at some point.


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Mike Knoll: for everyone curious about transcripts, you can request certain sections or days or witnesses rather than the entire trial.

 

[Kamille]

Several of Rafferty's "girlfriends/dates" testified that he drove around the back roads and rafferty's former landscaping boss about his connection to the mt forest area, he worked at a landfill site 3 km from where Tori's body was found.

coincidence...I think not.

jmo

Not to mention that TLM spent the majority of her life in Northern Ontario, doesn't appear to have ever driven a vehicle and has absolutely no connections to or knowledge of the area. So the suggestion that she directed him to drive there does not ring true to me at all.

MOO

 

[Ardy]

to me it doesn't matter if he knew the lane previously because he was there whether by chance or previous knowledge... I think the witness (employer) established that on Friday that MR had worked in the general area... what I don't understand is why the crown is putting all his friends/GF's etc. on the stand..none of them to date has mentioned anything worthwhile other than the same old....:met on POF...had coffee/sex etc.) the fact that some have children doesn't make me go...OMG...that would be expected from most of these women as they all seem to be single parents... I did get a chuckle about the "Christian preference".. not sure if TLM would fit that description though...JMO

You're right...........and I am not even sure MR knowing about the lane is even going to be contested by the defense. They have already put the alternative theory of him being at the crime scene, albeit unknowingly, before the jury. I don't think it would be a good plan to change to another theory now.

As to the witnesses presented by the Crown..........I agree.

The last one sounded like a witness for the defense.

JMO........

 

[Salem]

EVERYBODY - chill out and follow the tweets. I will review the thread after I take care of some other things.

If your post is argumentative in nature - don't post it. There is a zero tolerance policy here and I will be issuing TOs like passing out candy at a child's birthday party.

So don't go there. Any arguing found on this thread after this post will get the poster a TO. NO EXCUSES, NO EXPLANATIONS and no pm's from the mods.

Salem

 

[Sailor Bug]

I think I saw you post earlier Mike that it is against the law in canada to try and speak with the jurors after the trial?

Mike Knoll: just to clarify - it's not illegal to try to speak with them but it is illegal for them to speak about it.

For those asking, jurors still not back in the courtroom.

Will court resume today with further witnesses? Or will it be a day for legal arguments?

Mike Knoll: we won't know until it happens.

 

[Thinkzerz]

Not to mention that TLM spent the majority of her life in Northern Ontario, doesn't appear to have ever driven a vehicle and has absolutely no connections to or knowledge of the area. So the suggestion that she directed him to drive there does not ring true to me at all.

MOO

This is what makes me believe he is guilty of rape. JMO

 

[Kamille]

RaffertyLFP: Tweedie met Rafferty when she was 11 years old in Grade 6 Rafferty was a neighbour and lived with aunt and uncle

RaffertyLFP: Tweedie said she and Rafferty were friends and walked to school together

She currently lives in Waterloo. Met Rafferty at age 11 in Dratyon.

She and Rafferty lived on the same block in Drayton. They were close friends. They walked to school together.

What happened to his story about growing up in a rural farmhouse outside of Kitchener that he told one of the women?

 

[Sailor Bug]

What happened to his story about growing up in a rural farmhouse outside of Kitchener that he told one of the women?

Not sure. Rafferty did live with his Aunt and Uncle for a period of time.

jmo

 

[Hello_Kitty]

Yes, one drop on the door frame right beside the back passenger seat of the car. Which in turn likely transferred to the rubber door moulding when the door was closed. Mixed with sperm cells from an unknown male. Unknown because the sperm cells were two minute to test for DNA identification. And one drop in the gym bag.

MOO

Againt, it's kind of telling that blood/semen (even if there wasn't enough dna to tell whose it was) would be found in that precise spot and not in the car where it would be most expected to be found(which it wasn't because car seat is gone so). What are the chances of that happening.

 

[Jezbel]

Son they were at HD around 5pm, would have got to their location around 6pm ish, what time did the his cell phone ping at, do we know? Wasn't it around 7.30pm or so.

My questions is what were they doing in that area for so long?

Say if MR went for a walk, TLM killed Tori, stripped her half naked, then MR came back not long after and help cover and bury the body.... how long do you think that would take 1/2 - 45 mins max

Why then would they still be there another 1/2 hr - 45 mins after? I think that they would get the h*ll out of there in case the owner came along.

Say we go with TLM's testimony, they get there around 6pm, the assault begins, with a small break in between. So maybe 45 mins, TLM walks back, kills Tori. move and bury her body, maybe another 1/2 hour or so. Then they both go back to the car, MR washed himself with water from the bottles and gets dressed again, they chat about eating and covering up the tire tracks etc, so maybe another 15 mins which takes us to approx 7.30pm

I know what option I think...

 

[tmhco]

Exactly nt - he could have suggested the accused wasn't there at all and only came back after TLM buried the body herself.

The defence knew they could never explain the heaviest rocks. They had to place him at the buriel. JMO

 

[JayFriend]

If.......it can be shown that MR knew the farm lane, because he dumped rocks there..........or picked up rocks from the farmer for landscaping work.....then we are getting somewhere.

Maybe that IS one farm lane that he DID know........

Remember he did landscaping at the Rivertown land fill site, HWY 6 and Sideroad 5E, which leads to Concession 6N, the crime scene. It was mentioned here earlier that landscapers were allowed to gather rocks from farmers' rock piles.

 

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12:18
Mike Knoll: @noname - the law is in place to prevent that.
12:18
Comment From noname
What is stopping a rafferty supporter (if such exists) goes to the trial to deliberatly cause a mistrial by talking about what the jury does not hear?
12:18
Mike Knoll: @Guest - I assume so.
12:17
Comment From Guest
Will that information become available once this trial is done?
12:17
Mike Knoll: @guest - because the events of that trial could affect the jury's perception of this trial.
12:17
Comment From Guest
why would TLM trial still be publication ban, but not this one
12:16
Mike Knoll: @guest - what happened at that trial remains under publication ban.
12:15
Comment From guest
is there any where to read the tweets from TLM trial?

12:12
Mike Knoll: @Guest - contempt charges and a possible mistrial.

12:12
Comment From Guest
What would happen if you or someone in the court observing posted what the legal arguments are?

12:11
Mike Knoll: @Jo - we can only report on what the jury hears. It is assumed that the people in the courtroom hearing the arguments won't tell the jury what is being said. Media has a louder 'voice' than your average observer,
12:10
Comment From Jo
Why can't you report on the legal issue discussions? What is the reasoning since people in the court room can hear them.
12:09
Mike Knoll: @Guest - yes.
12:09
Comment From Guest
Are they still taking legal. Issues?