Trial Thread 4/19/2012

[robynhood]

...hmm I certainly hope with the evidence concerning cell phone towers it is >>>>especially ones IMPORTANT ....concerning what occurred around a 7;00 ( approximately )in the Mount Forest area ??? I hope they will be looking into it in more detail....IMO it certainly would be INTERESTING and helpful to KNOw IF HE MADE CALLS AND TO WHOM?????? on APRIL 8 2009 ....i HAVE BEEN WAITING TO HEAR THIS EVIDENCE ...imo THIS IS EXTREMELY important ....i GUESS WE must be PATIENCE again to let the CROWN do their JOB ...NOW ..robynhood...I feel the same as post made by others yesterday ....OMG I hope & Pray they have more to teLL ....as the CROWN seems to be getting NEAR the end of their case....all I care about is JUSTICE For TORI!...thanks for listening websleuthers.....again robynhood

 

[Hello_Kitty]

I know with an IPhone you can set it up to automatically download your email's at certain intervals or only when you manually make it. I wonder if this is the same case as well with BB?

With BB you don't need that because you have push email.

Push email is used to describe email systems that provide an always-on capability, in which new email is actively transferred (pushed) as it arrives by the Amail delivery agent.

I am going to quote myself here:

 

[~n/t~]

1:52
Mike Knoll: @guest - yes.
1:51
Comment From guest
Mike, so data could be having your GPS on for a trip, checking facebook or perhaps a plenty of fish account?, etc.

 

[~n/t~]

Well let's hope this jury gets it!

 

[robynhood]

...oops maybe the time was 8;00pm on April 8 2009 ...just read post above me ...thanks to...n/t..post #202 today ..thursday April 19 ..thk God theyhave tomorrow also to get at this info ..I am very interested in hearing...IMO...robynhood ...guess it is back to twitter @ lunch break ...OMG!.....

 

[Hello_Kitty]

So you think Derstine misunderstood? Or maybe just trying to confuse the jury?

I think he is trying to confuse the jury because they are not technically minded. People like Broad who have vast technical knowledge like that don't learn it in the space of an afternoon. When I started working for my cell phone company it took a while for me to understood the technical aspects of how cell phones transmit in order for the billing to be correct.

 

[Wondergirl]

I think he is trying to confuse the jury because they are not technically minded. People like Broad who have vast technical knowledge like that don't learn it in the space of an afternoon. When I started working for my cell phone company it took a while for me to understood the technical aspects of how cell phones transmit in order for the billing to be correct.

Exactly. Divert and confuse.

Derstine is hoping to divert the jury's attention back to TLM, and the fact she may have lied about the battery removal.

The fact remains that Rafferty's phone made calls from the MT. Forest area, and other areas that corroborate TLM's testimony of that fateful day.

No amount of smoke and mirrors is going to divert the jury's attention away from that.

JMO

 

[Hello_Kitty]

Hello_Kitty please go testify..they need you up there LOL

I don't know why Crown didn't get Broad to explain more in depth how it is possible for a cell phone to transmit even if you're not talking on it or how it is possible to have a data call that can last 17 hours but still be able to talk on the phone. It's very important for the jury to understand that, but I guess he didn't want them to get mired in too much techie stuff but I hope they have common sense enough to ask or I hope they have another expert Maybe the engineer guy will explain

 

[snoofer]

A friend of mine suggested something interesting to consider:

TLM testified that they tried on rings together. What if at some point she realized he was testing sizes on her finger with someone else in mind as his future wife? Imagine how mad, hurt and humiliated she'd have felt?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2012/03/22/stafford-rafferty-trial-thurs.html

Not quite my opinion of what happened, rather, just a thought.

what would that have to do with Tori and the afternoon she was killed.IMO

 

[SideKick]

Just so I understand, the phone was off right? But the data was still being transmitted (voice mail, text, etc). ?

Voice mail and text is considered data, correct?

~~ Correct about the internet use and data. Calling does not take up data.

So, if his phone was turned off no data would be transmitted...

 

[Kamille]

It's so obvious that the battery was pulled on the phone. At 4:18pm data usage starts and goes on for 44 minutes. That's because he put the battery back in and his phone was likely updating information, downloading emails etc that had come through during the time the battery was pulled.

At 4:19pm he makes a call. So he put the battery in at 4:18pm to make the 4:19pm call, which was at the Tim Horton's stop as per TLM. The 4:28pm call was made when they got to BA's house from the street because she wasn't there yet. So that tells me that the Tim Hortons was about 5-10 minutes away from BA's place.

The battery then stayed in the phone and the phone was on and using data until 7:03pm. It likely stayed on and powered up the entire time after that . We know the phone was on when there were 5 more calls made between 7:46pm and 8:49pm. Then the phone sat idle, no calls or data usage, until 11:21pm where there was more data usage.

So he didn't make or receive any calls from 12:06pm, no data usage either? I wonder if the phone was actually turned off during that time or it was just sitting idle. And what was he doing between 11:13am when he was on the phone at the Woodstock ATM and 3:05pm when the CASS video first captured his car driving northbound on Fyfe? We know he wasn't working. Didn't TLM testify that she had seen him at some point during that time and that's when he told her he was going out of town? Anyone remember what time that was?

MOO

 

[Wondergirl]

Just as damning as Rafferty's phone, and possibly adding the final nail to the scenario, is the fact that Carol's phone was brought into evidence today.

If TLM had Carol's phone, and her phone was being used, in addition to MTR's, then that proves that both of them were there.

It would be extremely difficult to explain away the simultaneous use of two phones.

Just a thought, but, perhaps MTR took the battery out of TLM's phone, and she thought it was his phone that he removed the battery from?

 

[Hello_Kitty]

Exactly. Divert and confuse.

Derstine is hoping to divert the jury's attention back to TLM, and the fact she may have lied about the battery removal.

The fact remains that Rafferty's phone made calls from the MT. Forest area, and other areas that corroborate TLM's testimony of that fateful day.

No amount of smoke and mirrors is going to divert the jury's attention away from that.

JMO

Exactly, and the fact that the phone was turned on at 4:18pm. If it wasn't trasmitting/triangulating before that, that means the phone was completely turned off, and the battery could well have been out of the phone as well.

 

[nursebeeme]

thanks for all those details about phones, etc etc etc H. Kitty!

 

[Hello_Kitty]

~~ Correct about the internet use and data. Calling does not take up data.

So, if his phone was turned off no data would be transmitted...

Please don't mistake voice mail and text for data because they aren't. Voice mail and text do not use the internet

 

[SideKick]

I don't know why Crown didn't get Broad to explain more in depth how it is possible for a cell phone to transmit even if you're not talking on it or how it is possible to have a data call that can last 17 hours but still be able to talk on the phone. It's very important for the jury to understand that, but I guess he didn't want them to get mired in too much techie stuff but I hope they have common sense enough to ask or I hope they have another expert Maybe the engineer guy will explain

Perhaps he was messaging. That uses up data..

 

[snoofer]

At 4:18 pm on April 8th, a 44 minute data call started. Derstine asks about it.

RaffertyLFP: Derstine is question a data call at 4:18 p.m. on April 8 that appears to go on for 44 minutes another just after 5 p.m. goes for two hours

Data calls show Internet usage. The call went to 5:02.

A data call at started at 5:03 lasted 2 hours.

video???

 

[SideKick]

The simple answer is yes. iMessage uses data from a data plan to send messages over the 3G connection and in turn does not use any text message costs or allowances. You will not be able to send and receive iMessages without WiFi if you do not have a data plan...or another way...if you do not have a data plan, you will need WiFi to send and receive iMessages much like the iPod Touch. If you have a data plan you use the data in which your plan is signed up to. If you don't have a data plan or go over your data plan limit, you will be charged.

 

[Hello_Kitty]

With BB you don't need that because you have push email.

Push email is used to describe email systems that provide an always-on capability, in which new email is actively transferred (pushed) as it arrives by the Amail delivery agent.

I am going to quote myself here:

Nettie, he could have set up other email programs, such as msn, yahoo, facebook email to forward automatically to his BB.

 

[Kamille]

Please don't mistake voice mail and text for data because they aren't. Voice mail and text do not use the internet

Thanks for all your help HK. Don't have a BB so some of it is confusing. Although as far as data usage I suppose it's pretty similar to the IPhone?

If you've got your FB set up for automatic email alert every time a friend posts to their or your wall would that use data?

And do you have to have your BBM on and running to get messages on there? Or do you get an alert and turn the app on to get the message? And then you turn it off again after you're done?

TIA