Trial Thread 4/5/2012

[matou]

Thank you all for the tweets. Ohhhhh matou I love you xox

I couldn't use my--->mouse It wouldn't allow me to copy/paste
Had to turn off my computer

I love you too! :blowkiss::crush::beats:

 

[JayFriend]

That's another thing that is so sad about this whole thing, before this happened Woodstock was always known as " The Friendly City". Sadly Macright this stuff goes on everywhere, and Woodstock really is a lovely place. Trust me.

Yeah, now it's Oxy County. :sick:

But the dangers of oxy were known years ago. Purdue Pharma in the U.S. was sued in 2004 for pushing and misrepresenting the drug and lost bigtime. There was a show on CBC about that recently and the Canadian branch claimed they were different and blameless. Well, they certainly did a good job of selling it to the doctors because it's only in recent years they slowed down prescribing it in spite of all the horror stories. There was a doctor on the show who still insisted it's a good drug.

http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/2011-2012/timebomb/

 

[SideKick]

it's so funny...I always had the impression that southern Ontario was a beautiful unspoiled area...filled with rolling hills and farmers fields...didn't realize that it is really a hell hole filled with so many gangs etc. and degenerate types.. how to burst an illusion...:moo: well there is an exception to the area I live in..that was RW............

~ Don't let this trial change your conception of Ontario. Ontario is gorgeous, rolling hills, farmers, creeks and rivers like you've never seen. Ontario is not a he** hole at all. Remember, you'll find weirdo's anywhere.....
JMO as I live in Ontario and adore the countryside.

 

[swedie]

Good question.

I don't know about other doctors, but mine wouldn't prescribe oxy regardless of the pain I was in. Our pharmacist is also thorough and will check with the doctor on medications prescribed before filling the order, for something like oxy.

There sure seems to be a lot of oxy prescriptions floating around that area.

I would not be surprised if MR got the prescription from his Dr. legally and then found he couldn't get more than he wanted from his Dr. and it was probably cheaper to buy them from BA. I doubt he had a drug plan if he was unemployed. Also by having the prescription from his Dr., if caught with ones bought from BA, he would have an excuse/reason to have them in his possession (Dr. prescribed).:moo:

 

[Ardy]

They had the ipod for almost 3yrs and didn't examine it until a few days ago? :waitasec:

I believe that is what the tweets said.

If so, that is a startling revelation, since it would mean the Crown didn't search the contents until after the music content was brought up by the defense. Does that mean the Crown was unaware of the lyrics in the music that TLM favored, until revealed in court?

I am also surprised that Detective Scoyne had no knowledge of the East of Adelaide gang. They have been several cases of gang activity and violence, including the one involving TLM's friend in custody, covered in the media.

That gang has been around for years and years, although sometimes under a different name.

What is apparent is that Mr. Derstine is very well prepared and has been revealing additional information through cross examination of Crown witnesses.

I expect the defense presentation will be very interesting and thorough.

Hopefully it is exactly that, as it can only aid in the search for the truth.

 

[snoofer]

Was stated that CM would pawn stuff people gave her for money. Wonder if this is how it is done if you want drugs but have no money...bring old furniture to her so she can pawn...and you get the drugs? IMO If that is the case then MTR mother was the dupe.

 

[antiquegirl]

AM980.ca‏@AM980_Court

Mullen asked Wal Mart for information on the hair dye. The UPC code is for C-100 shade hair dye.

AM980.ca‏@AM980_Court

Sold in stores since September 1st, 2008.

I am deducing from this that the same UPC code is used for the exact same product until the packaging is changed. By "exact same", I mean same manufacturer, same colour, sold within a set time frame. So, if I bought that particular shade, made by that company, even at a different store, but within that time period, the UPC code would be the same as on the receipt found in MTR's home. Therefore, I still think that the date purchased is more significant than the SKU.

But, I don't doubt he purchased both those boxes of hair dye and one was left for TLM.

However, my big question is why would anyone, especially MTR, put the receipt for such inexpensive items in a drawer and keep it for three months? I doubt he was planning to return or exchange them. I keep receipts for items I might have to return and for big-ticket stuff like TVs, appliances, computers, etc. Doesn't make sense to me why he didn't just throw this receipt into the garbage.

JMO

 

[Sailor Bug]

Search items connected Tori's accused killers

http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/raffertytrial/2012/04/05/19598216.html

 

[snoofer]

I am deducing from this that the same UPC code is used for the exact same product until the packaging is changed. By "exact same", I mean same manufacturer, same colour, sold within a set time frame. So, if I bought that particular shade, made by that company, even at a different store, but within that time period, the UPC code would be the same as on the receipt found in MTR's home. Therefore, I still think that the date purchased is more significant than the SKU.

But, I don't doubt he purchased both those boxes of hair dye and one was left for TLM.

However, my big question is why would anyone, especially MTR, put the receipt for such inexpensive items in a drawer and keep it for three months? I doubt he was planning to return or exchange them. I keep receipts for items I might have to return and for big-ticket stuff like TVs, appliances, computers, etc. Doesn't make sense to me why he didn't just throw this receipt into the garbage.

JMO

maybe he bought them and left them laying around in a bag being lazy..and his mom emptied the bag and saved the receipt like a good mom in case he changed his mind about the color.....or....he told his mom to pick some up...she did and she kept the receipt in case when he got home she didn't get the right one.....

 

[swedie]

What I don't get is how the type of music TLM listened to fits in to what evidence was found at MR home... how is that defending what they found? Is Dersine going to use the music in defense of everything that is brought up? JMO

:floorlaugh: Seems that way lol. As if the jurors are not going to get sick of this theory. It's like the broken record therapy, if it's repeated enough, people will buy into it and believe it? Yes shouldn't he be trying to blame away the evidence found in MR's mom's house? :waiting: :moo:

 

[Salem]

Or maybe he was just cleaning out his pants pockets and threw everything in the drawer - meaning to clean that up later and never got around to it. It seems he spent many nights away from home while dating.

I don't see anything unusual about keeping the receipt. I have receipts all over my house. They aren't needed at all after I update by bank acct., just seems I never throw the silly things away.

Salem

 

[antiquegirl]

:floorlaugh: Seems that way lol. As if the jurors are not going to get sick of this theory. It's like the broken record therapy, if it's repeated enough, people will buy into it and believe it? Yes shouldn't he be trying to blame away the evidence found in MR's mom's house? :waiting: :moo:

(BBM)

Sorry, I don't get it. How is the iPod and its contents found in TLM's home related to the evidence found in MR's mom's house?

 

[swedie]

it's so funny...I always had the impression that southern Ontario was a beautiful unspoiled area...filled with rolling hills and farmers fields...didn't realize that it is really a hell hole filled with so many gangs etc. and degenerate types.. how to burst an illusion...:moo: well there is an exception to the area I live in..that was RW............

Yes it's scary when something like this happens and it wakes you up to reality about what really goes on out there.

 

[CarrieBean]

(BBM)

Sorry, I don't get it. How is the iPod and its contents found in TLM's home related to the evidence found in MR's mom's house?

I think that was her point. He should be explaining away the evidence found at MR's home rather than wasting everyone's time going on about the music.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[swedie]

I agree Peekaboo, love living in Southern Ontario :rocker:

Northern Canada is beautiful IMHO. Just gorgeous in the fall especially. Lots of small rivers and lakes, very scenic. Too darn cold for me in the winter though lol. :moo:

 

[Ardy]

it's so funny...I always had the impression that southern Ontario was a beautiful unspoiled area...filled with rolling hills and farmers fields...didn't realize that it is really a hell hole filled with so many gangs etc. and degenerate types.. how to burst an illusion...:moo: well there is an exception to the area I live in..that was RW............

Southwestern Ontario is a beautiful place, with urban areas surrounded by expansive agricultural areas, but there are pockets of problems.

Woodstock is a small city, so the problems appear amplified more than they would in a much larger city, such as nearby London.

Having said that..........oxycontin is a scourge in our area.

Young people experiment.........we know that.

Experimenting with cigarettes, alcohol, or maijuana is one thing. People try it and continue if they want or quit if they want.

Oxy is a whole different animal. It is used to relieve pain but is highly addictive.

There are often reports in the media of court cases involving people who were normal until they were prescribed oxy for pain relief from surgery, dental work or some other reasons..............and soon found themselves addicted to them.

I have heard talk of the government banning them and hopefully they will.

For the life of me I don't understand why our government is so insistent on refusing to legalize marijuana (and let people use it for pain relief, stress relief or whatever other reason) but allow chemicals such as oxy to be sold legally.

But that is a discussion for another day........

 

[crazyladi]

Has anyone found any information about SKU numbers? I was unable to find anything that shows whether they are different on every single item, or the same for job lots and how often they are changed at the factory.

More importantly, why was the date on the Walmart receipt not mentioned? That, to me, is very significant. I hope the defence will bring this up.

As for the "Missing" posters for Tori: There must have been literally thousands of those floating around Woodstock and vicinity by then. I would bet that half the homes in town had one or more. I fail to see where this could be evidence of anything except that both TLM and MTR were aware of the disappearance ... as was everyone else in town.

JMO

Not sure but with Walmart dont they have a SKU on each item on the reciept?

 

[swedie]

I am deducing from this that the same UPC code is used for the exact same product until the packaging is changed. By "exact same", I mean same manufacturer, same colour, sold within a set time frame. So, if I bought that particular shade, made by that company, even at a different store, but within that time period, the UPC code would be the same as on the receipt found in MTR's home. Therefore, I still think that the date purchased is more significant than the SKU.

But, I don't doubt he purchased both those boxes of hair dye and one was left for TLM.

However, my big question is why would anyone, especially MTR, put the receipt for such inexpensive items in a drawer and keep it for three months? I doubt he was planning to return or exchange them. I keep receipts for items I might have to return and for big-ticket stuff like TVs, appliances, computers, etc. Doesn't make sense to me why he didn't just throw this receipt into the garbage.

JMO

We know he didn't have a job, so money was needed by him. If TLM refused to dye her hair for him, he could have taken it back and got his money back right? Not all criminals are smart. And he has proven to be one of the ones who isn't too bright IMHO.

 

[Ardy]

Really - the defense in Canada is not subject to Discovery rules? WOW!

Salem

I could be wrong.......but I believe the legal theory is:

The Crown laid the charges against the accused.

The Crown has the duty to prove the accusations beyond a reasonable doubt.

The Crown has the full weight and resources of the government available to them to prove the accusations.

The accused has the right to know the details of the charges against them.

The defense is limited to refuting the evidence against the accused.

Although the defense may offer other plausible explanations for the evidence, they are not required to prove an alternative theory to the jury.

It is a careful balance of the power of the Crown and the rights of the accused.

 

[swedie]

I think that was her point. He should be explaining away the evidence found at MR's home rather than wasting everyone's time going on about the music.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Thank you for explaining that for me Carrie. I couldn't have said it better myself. :blowkiss: