Trial Thread, Weekend Discussion May 4-5, 2012 Waiting for Closing Arguments

[Salem]

Maybe TLM was having flashbacks and hallucinations and can't separate reality from her distorted memories of that day.

Maybe the sexual assault was TLM projecting herself back into a time in her young life.........she did mention something to that affect.

She also claimed MR made some strange comment to VS about doing this before.......or something similar.

I am sure the jury is going to wrestle with TLM's ability to tell the truth, both from a memory standpoint and an honesty standpoint.

It would be hard to imagine a Crown having as his key witness someone the likes of TLM.

JMO.......

The jury will have the video from the first confession, along with their memory of her testimony. They will be able to compare and determine where they think she is lying and where they think she is telling the truth. I wish we could have seen both!

Salem

 

[tmhco]

Even after they had the car and the DNA, the DNA expert's last comment after going through all the evidence found in the car was:



Then they went on break and came back to interrupt her testimony with the woman who was leaving the country the next day.

It's not like he had six weeks to clean it up. Does anyone know why he threw his backseat in the garbage anyway, coincidence? JMO

 

[LadyL]

I have been thinking about the remote farm lane and found myself wondering about some things.

IF MR knew about this farm lane from his work in the area, it is quite probable that he knew about many others in the area.

Why would he pick a lane that was right across from a house? Anyone from that house could have seen him to in and called the farmer.

People living in the country know who owns the land around them, and will tell each other if they spot someone entering someone else's land.

Often, the land owners are concerned with illegal dumping and don't want their property to become home for cast away junk or construction material.

The lane is also quite narrow and only one lane for the majority of it.

If the farmer had pulled down that lane in his truck..........MR had nowhere to go.

No farmer is simply going to go in and listen to a BS answer and drive away.

They would take a look around and then follow the people out, while noting their licence plate number.

In my opinion, MR took a big chance going down that lane, if his intention was to be there awhile.

JMO..............

the 'farmers' are Mennonites ... they might not have a phone & IMO, they're sure not going to confront a couple of drug-addled psychos doing lawd knows what

I don't think he chose a particular lane based on specific knowledge but rather knew the general area and turned into wherever was convenient without much thought to who might come across him ...

 

[otto]

It happens a lot more than people think.

In 100 recent cases across Canada, police used illegal techniques, excessive force and racial profiling, then covered it up with false testimony.

http://www.thestar.com/investigations

Drug dealers that are apprehended under false pretenses are hardly examples of innocent people being framed. Police clearly violated the law in the techniques they used to apprehend criminals in the cases mentioned in the article ... but I don't think anyone was framed. In fact, the criminals got away with breaking the law because police did not follow proper procedure.

And ... the letters at the end of the article seem to present a different side of the story.

 

[Ardy]

My goodness! Why even try anyone? Corrupt LE, False witness testimony the Crown prosecuting all the poor innocents! We should just scrap the system and open the doors to the prisons. JMO

No.......we should charge the police officers with perjury and replace them.

We give police officers enormous powers, which should not be abused.

JMO............

 

[Ardy]

Drug dealers that are apprehended under false pretenses are hardly examples of innocent people being framed. Police clearly violated the law in the techniques they used to apprehend criminals in the cases mentioned in the article ... but I don't think anyone was framed. In fact, the criminals got away with breaking the law because police did not follow proper procedure.

And ... the letters at the end of the article seem to present a different side of the story.

Sure.......but the police officers swore an oath before testifying and then perjured themselves, which is more offensive than some of the tactics they used.

And if they get caught doing it............as you mentioned, the guilty go free.

There was a recent case in Woodstock, where some young guy spray painted Nazi symbols on the cenotaph.

He was charged but the charges were thrown out when it was discovered the police illegally looked through his cellphone without a search warrant.

The local legion members were as angry at the police as the young man who did the painting.

That is the danger.........police lie...........get caught.......criminals walk.

JMO...............

 

[tmhco]

No.......we should charge the police officers with perjury and replace them.

We give police officers enormous powers, which should not be abused.

JMO............

What about all the falsely convicted in prison? If we replace all the LE for corruption, it would only seem fair? JMO

 

[Macright]

to me the fact he knew the area or the spot means nothing...JMO still doesn't mean he raped and murdered the child...JMO we don't know his reasons for going to that spot...JMO we can surmise all we like but the bottom line is WE DON'T KNOW....we know what the outcome was but we don't know what came between...JMO

 

[tmhco]

to me the fact he knew the area or the spot means nothing...JMO still doesn't mean he raped and murdered the child...JMO we don't know his reasons for going to that spot...JMO we can surmise all we like but the bottom line is WE DON'T KNOW....we know what the outcome was but we don't know what came between...JMO

It means that MR brought an abducted 8 year old to a remote location where he most likely would not be seen or heard. JMO

 

[daisy.faithfull]

No.......we should charge the police officers with perjury and replace them.

We give police officers enormous powers, which should not be abused.

JMO............

I understand that LE can be corrupt, for example Drew Peterson. I also understand that we do do see LE doing things that don't seem to be in the best interests of the public and the victims, Susan Cox Powell comes to mind.

But not all police officers are like this. I think we need some proof, some evidence of this before we start to throw out and discuss the possibility that MTR is being framed, prosecutorial misconduct, lying police officers etc.

As far as we know nothing like this has been brought up in court. And this is the type of issue that defence lawyers bring up.

 

[Macright]

It means that MR brought an abducted 8 year old to a remote location where he most likely would not be seen or heard. JMO

respectfully that is what you surmise but I don't so I have to disagree...JMO

 

[otto]

100 questionable arrests according to a newspaper columnist aside, is there some suggestion that police, prosecutors and TLM have framed the guy that drove the car with the kidnapped child shoved onto the floor in the back seat?

 

[puppyraiser]

It's not like he had six weeks to clean it up. Does anyone know why he threw his backseat in the garbage anyway, coincidence? JMO

Certainly not to get rid of evidence of a crime but perhaps because it was damaged? ....it did have at least one cut in it according to a neighbour.... but TLM was lying when she said she cut the back seat.
How eco-friendly of him to utilize the city-wide large items garbage day and not throw it out along the roadside.

 

[Macright]

I understand that LE can be corrupt, for example Drew Peterson. I also understand that we do do see LE doing things that don't seem to be in the best interests of the public and the victims, Susan Cox Powell comes to mind.

But not all police officers are like this. I think we need some proof, some evidence of this before we start to throw out and discuss the possibility that MTR is being framed, prosecutorial misconduct, lying police officers etc.

As far as we know nothing like this has been brought up in court. And this is the type of issue that defence lawyers bring up.

MR is being framed on certain charges but it is not by LE...it is TLM JMO

 

[otto]

Certainly not to get rid of evidence of a crime but perhaps because it was damaged? ....it did have at least one cut in it according to a neighbour.... but TLM was lying when she said she cut the back seat.
How eco-friendly of him to utilize the city-wide large items garbage day and not throw it out along the roadside.

Maybe he thought that was the best way to get the escort to buy him a new one ... sort of like buying a new bed for a promising relationship?

 

[tmhco]

respectfully that is what you surmise but I don't so I have to disagree...JMO

Did he not? He most certainly did bring an abducted 8 year old to a secluded area where he most likely could not be seen or heard. How can you argue those points?

 

[otto]

MR is being framed on certain charges but it is not by LE...it is TLM JMO

Framed for being with a little girl that had no clothes below the waist? Framed for driving that child to a remote location and leaving her there ... deceased?

 

[Ardy]

the 'farmers' are Mennonites ... they might not have a phone & IMO, they're sure not going to confront a couple of drug-addled psychos doing lawd knows what

I don't think he chose a particular lane based on specific knowledge but rather knew the general area and turned into wherever was convenient without much thought to who might come across him ...

I guess my point was that unless MR knew who the landowner was.......it could have been the people living in the house directly across the highway from the entrance to the lane.

It was still light out...........so people from the house could see across the road.

My father in law was a farmer, and my brother in law is a farmer.......and I know they checked their land every day.........sometimes more than once.

They don't want anything dumped on their land. They don't want hunters firing weapons on their land. They don't want people wandering around their land. They are very possessive about their land.

They certainly would go down the lane to see what the people were doing..........and they probably would take their rifles with them. They could always claim they were planning to shoot gophers.

There could also be legal liability issues if someone got hurt on your land, such as riding an atv or something. They could claim they had permission, when in fact they didn't. But if their lawyer could show that you "allowed" people to ride their atv on your property in the past.........you could end up with with your insurance company paying a settlement, rather than the cost of fighting it in court.

For whatever reason, MR felt comfortable going down that lane.

JMO................

 

[Macright]

Did he not? He most certainly did bring an abducted 8 year old to a secluded area where he most likely could not be seen or heard. How can you argue those points?

okay you jumped me for that but I guess I am so used to the sentence to be followed by rape and murder by you and others.....so yes I will agree with you on that statement but I think that is the extent of agreeing with your line of thought...respectfully....

 

[tmhco]

okay you jumped me for that but I guess I am so used to the sentence to be followed by rape and murder by you and others.....so yes I will agree with you on that statement but I think that is the extent of agreeing with your line of thought...respectfully....

I simply stated the obvious which can be interpreted any way you desire. JMO