True or False?

  • #41
BlueCrab said:
RedChief,

PMPT pb, pg 7: "Earlier, Rick French, the first police officer to respond to the mother's 911 call, had immediately searched the house for the child and for any sign of forced entry, but he found nothing."

Yes, but it doesn't say he searched in the basement at that time nor that he tried the wine cellar door at that time. That's why I posed the question; the two books don't agree on the sequence. So, do we know for a fact what the sequence was? Will we ever know?
 
  • #42
RedChief said:
Yes, but it doesn't say he searched in the basement at that time nor that he tried the wine cellar door at that time. That's why I posed the question; the two books don't agree on the sequence. So, do we know for a fact what the sequence was? Will we ever know?

RedChief,

We DO know the sequence. It's in the First Responder's Report (French). Officer French arrived at the Ramseys house at 6:00 A.M. (give or take a minute), and immediately searched the house. Fleet White didn't get there until about 6:15 A.M.

Where in Steve Thomas' book does it say Reichenbach preceded French? ( I have the hardback copy.)
 
  • #43
BlueCrab said:
RedChief,

We DO know the sequence. It's in the First Responder's Report (French). Officer French arrived at the Ramseys house at 6:00 A.M. (give or take a minute), and immediately searched the house. Fleet White didn't get there until about 6:15 A.M.

Where in Steve Thomas' book does it say Reichenbach preceded French? ( I have the hardback copy.)

BlueCrab,

I am referring to the hardback. Read all of chapter 3, beginning on page 16, but especially pages 16-23. On page 22: "Detectives Arndt and Patterson arrived at the Ramsey house at 8:10. Then with detectives finally on the scene to handle the witnesses, French checked the garage and lower levels of the house, looking for places through which a kidnapper might have carried off the child. He found none. The house was messy but he saw no sign of a struggle. In the basement he also came to the white door at the far end that was closed and secured at the top by the wooden block on a screw. French was looking for exit points from the house, and the door obviously was not one. No one could have gone through that door, closed it behind them and locked it on the opposite side by turning the wooden latch, so he did not open it. When he went back upstairs...."

I'll post what happened prior to that regarding the sequence, according to Thomas, shortly.
 
  • #44
To continue:

Page 19: "By the time the sun rose at 6:30, the Whites and the Fernies had arrived to comfort their friends"

Page 20: "...the crime scene was put at risk by allowing the friends to come inside. As if to demonstrate that problem, Fleet White stepped away from the little group attending the Ramseys and took a walk inside the house, certainly with the best of intentions.......White went downstairs. The lights were on and shadows danced in the big basement.......Moving deeper into the basement he found the same white door that had been checked by Sergeant Reichenbach. Fleet White turned the makeshift latch and pulled the door open, toward him.....He never saw JonBenet."

Thomas describes the scene at the house that morning chronologically. He has Reichenbach going down to the basement first, followed by Fleet White, followed by Officer French. I don't know when Ramsey made his first decent that morning. He claimed it was around 10 AM.

Where can I get a hold of French's report?
 
  • #45
I don't know if French's report is online, but I have definitely seen references to it (or paraphrases of it).

I have a stirring memory that it may have been on the Smoking Gun archive:-

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/jonbenet/jonbenet_casefile.html

Sorry, but I am snowed under at work just now or I would look for you.
 
  • #46
Jayelles said:
I don't know if French's report is online, but I have definitely seen references to it (or paraphrases of it).

I have a stirring memory that it may have been on the Smoking Gun archive:-

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/jonbenet/jonbenet_casefile.html

Sorry, but I am snowed under at work just now or I would look for you.

Jayelles,

Didn't find it there.

Was just looking at some comments that EasyWriter made on ForumsForJustice once upon a time in '04. The thread is "Tying Up Loose Ends". EW talks about the cords. Here is a quote: "In an earlier post, I asked the RST to explain the why of the “garrote handle”, to explain what would happen and why if the handle were pulled. Not surprisingly, I didn’t get an answer. I add another question: By what rationale do you label as
“professional” a person who cannot even tie a cord around a wrist
efficient enough to keep it from falling off???"

Apparently EW somehow determined that the knot in the neck ligature, at the back of the neck, is not a slip knot. The coroner referred to it as a "double knot." Hence, EW's challenge to the RST. If it can be definitively proven, or convincingly argued, that this isn't a slip knot, then the "garotte handle" takes on new meaning; i.e., it's useless as an adjunct for tightening the cord to effect strangulation or to exercise control of the victim. If it wasn't affixed to the cord to effect strangulation or exercise control of the victim, then why was it thus affixed? It appears to serve no utilitarian purpose, beyond being an ornament of staging.

It's extremely important to carefully examine these knots.
 
  • #47
I'm sorry you didn't find the article there. I can picture the article in question and I remember that I typed part of it out once for a post so it was from somewhere that I couldn't copy and paste (i.e. like Smoking Gun). I'll keep on thinking.

Yes it is important to look at the knots. I'm afraid I've deliberately shunned all aspects of the murder itself being of a squeamish disposition.... so I can't help.

I think it is fair to say that there are almost certainly evidential facts that we don't know about. Lots has been leaked, but there is probably equal amounts which have not. I'd like an official confirmation on that - "Please Mr Bennett, can you just tell us one thing - are there things that have never been leaked about this case?" LOL
 
  • #48
I found this which gives you some information:-
Officer Rick French was dispatched to 755 15th Street in Boulder at approximately 5:52 a.m. on the report of a possible kidnapping. He was met at the door by the distraught Patsy and by John who told him that their six-year-old daughter was missing and their nine-year-old son was asleep upstairs. Patsy, hysterical and apparently confused about the sequence of the mornings events, told officer French that she went into JonBenet’s bedroom at approximately 5:45 a.m. that morning to wake her up for the trip and saw that she was not in bed. As she was coming down the spiral staircase she found the note stating that her daughter had been kidnapped. John then lead French through the house and pointed out a three page handwritten note which still lay on the hallway floor next to the kitchen.

French noted that Patsy, dressed in a red turtle sweater and black pants, was pacing back and forth, but eventually settled in an overstuffed chair in the sitting room located at the southeast of the main floor. Patsy stared at French her eyes riveted him, but tried to conceal her actions with her fingers splayed over her eyes.

French did a quick inspection of the interior of the house and found all the doors locked, including the door leading from JonBenet’s bedroom to the second floor balcony. There were no signs of the missing child. French inspected the basement during this search, but was not able to open one room in the basement on the south end of the house because of a top latch. John told Officer French that too had personally checked for unlocked doors and windows – John said he found the house locked up as it had been left the night before.

When asked about the security alarm system, John told French that it had not been engaged for several years. While the remodeling of the residence was still in process, JonBenet, then only a toddler, had dragged a small bench over to the key pad to the system and began hitting the keys. The interior alarm was so deafening that they couldn't even hear to telephone the security company to notify them that it was a false alarm.

Almost immediately police cars and sirens were heard coming down the street. Since the Ramseys had not used the system since they had moved into the new house, they didn't know the code to shut it off. Because of this mishap and a couple of subsequent false alarms, they had decided not to activate the system.

After his cursory inspection of the house, French took a statement from John regarding the events of the prior evening. John related that the family had arrived home around 9:00 p.m., that Burke and Patsy had gone immediately to bed, and that he had read to JonBenet for a few minutes before he went to bed. Apparently the morning's stress had also confused John, as the sequence of events he related to French about the prior evening would differ at his later official statement.

Arriving almost immediately after the first officers on scene were John and Barbara Fernie, close friends of both John and Patsy. They were soon joined by Fleet and Priscilla White, with whom the Ramsey family had spent the evening of Christmas day just hours before the disappearance of their daughter. Patsy confirmed that she had called both the Whites and the Ferniest after notifying the police. Bill and Heather Cox, guests staying at the Whites’ home, also appeared. Barbara Fernie called the Ramsey’s pastor, Rev. Rol Haberstock from St. John’s Presbyterian Church, and asked him to come.

According to the family friends, the hysterical Patsy was alternating between noncoherent praying to God and Jesus and screaming, " They have my baby.” At one point Patsy screamed at John, “You have to give them the money and get out baby back.” John, attempting to comfort his wife, responded, “We’ll get her back. She'll be okay."

Within minutes of arriving at the Ramsey home, Fleet decided to look around the house. His own daughter had been missing a few months ago, and after the police were called they found her hiding under her bed. Fleet was hoping that JonBenet too was just hiding somewhere in the house. Since everyone had been told by the police officers not to go upstairs, Fleet went town to the basement. He noticed that the lights were on. He found a small piece of glass from a broken window in a room used for model trains. In checking the latch for the window he discovered that it was unlocked, but closed. Fleet also noticed a blue suitcase was sitting underneath the window. He continued with his search by opening every cupboard and door. He opened the door to the wine cellar, reached inside, but could not find the light switch and could not see inside the room. The wind cellar is completely formed by cement and has no windows. Finding no evidence of anyone entering or leaving from the basement area and no trace of JonBenet, Fleet went back upstairs.

Patrol Sgt. Reichenbach, responding to the call to go to the 15th Street address, passed a time and temperature sign in a mall parking lot on his way to the Ramsey home. The temperature in Boulder that morning was 9 degrees. A light dusting of snow lay sprinkled on the ground, mostly visible on the neighborhood lawns. Upon his arrival at the residence Reichenbach conducted a brief inspection of the outside of the premises. In addition to the newly fallen snow, portions of the yard were covered with one or two inches of crusty snow from a prior snowfall. He noted that no footprints were visible in the new snow that adhered to the grass and pavement areas surrounding the house nor in the old snow still remaining


http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2043
 
  • #49
  • #50
True or False: The cord around JBR's neck was fastened in place with a square knot.

A square knot is not a slip knot.

A square knot is the sort of knot that, once tightened, will not permit any loop formed by the cord which it incorporates to be shrunk by pulling on the tailing ends of the cord.

Pulling on the two units of cord that exit the above-mentioned knot to form the loop, will not result in expanding the loop (assuming the cord is non-elastic).
 
  • #51
Jayelles said:
I beg yor pardon. The document I was thinking on is this one:-

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/jonbenet/charlevoix3.html

and it was not Officer french, but Officer Reichenbach. I always get those two mixed up.


RedChief,

Let's try to set the record straight with respect to what BPD officer inspected the INTERIOR of the Ramsey house minutes after they arrived around 6:00 A.M. on the 26th. It appears Steve Thomas was wrong when he wrote that it was Sgt. Paul Riechenbach. I'm quite certain it was Officer Rick French.

Larry Schiller in PMPT wrote that it was French. And the affidavit in the link provided by Jayelles above says that Reichenbach inspected the EXTERIOR of the house. There was no mention of Reichenbach searching inside of the house.

Steve Thomas' co-author, Don Davis, wrote most of the book even though he didn't know the case all that well, and probably got the two officers mixed up.

Other sources also said it was Rick French who searched the interior of the house and didn't open the wine cellar door because it was locked with a latch on the outside, thereby eliminating the possibility there was a perp on the inside of the room.

For instance, I know that Ann Louise Bardach's Vanity Fair article of September 16, 1997 was taken from the First Responder's Report leaked to her by Steve Thomas. The correct information was in the report, although I don't think it's available on the net. Don Davis got the names switched.

IOW, Steve Thomas' book is likely wrong. French, not Reichenbach, was the first police officer into the train room that morning.

BlueCrab
 
  • #52
BlueCrab said:
RedChief,

Let's try to set the record straight with respect to what BPD officer inspected the INTERIOR of the Ramsey house minutes after they arrived around 6:00 A.M. on the 26th. It appears Steve Thomas was wrong when he wrote that it was Sgt. Paul Riechenbach. I'm quite certain it was Officer Rick French.


BlueCrab,

With all due respect, we are attempting to set the record straight; that's the thrust of this thread. We have conflicting stories from two authors who apparently both had access to the police reports. I say apparently, because, I've read and heard that Schiller did. It stands to reason that a lead detective, Steve Thomas and his co-author would. In fact, Steve has said as much.

So, although "we" are quite certain, apparently mostly because Schiller said so (or implied so) it was French who was the first to explore in the basement, "we" are not 100 percent certain, right? I take it your vote is: French was the first. Anyone else care to vote?

BTW, why do you suppose French combed the house that morning purportedly shortly after arriving? Didn't he trust the Ramseys? What were the Ramseys doing while he was searching the house? Why didn't he just ask the Ramseys, 'Did you thoroughly search the house?' What was he looking for; the girl or evidence of intrusion or both? Did he smell a rat?
 
  • #53
It is the duty of the 1st responding Officer to secure and PROTECT the occupants of any domestic crime, particularly homicides.

Detective duties are reserved to those given that responsibility !
 
  • #54
UKGuy,

You seem to have left yourself a little wiggle room with "particularly". I thought this was reported as a kidnapping?

How does it protect the Ramseys if French is down in the basement while the perpetrator is sneaking up on the parents, having popped into the kitchen via the mud room? Further, would you expect that the perp, who hadn't left the premises since throttling JonBenet, would wait until the police were summoned, to arise from his hiding place and inflict injury on the parents and the boy (who, incidentally, due to the genuine fear of the parents regarding such a development) was left unattended in his unlocked bedroom?

"John is not particularly a cat person"--PR in DOI "The two gentlemen who are watching over your daughter do not particularly like you."--ransom note
 
  • #55
a bit on stun guns..When you press the stun gun against an attacker and hold the trigger, the electricity stored in the stun gun is dumped into the assailant's nervous system and the normal body signals get mixed up with noise. The muscles and brain are no longer able to communicate because the messages are no longer understood. The result is temporary confusion and imbalance. Alternatively, stun guns can generate current with a pulse frequency that mimics the body's own electrical signals telling the attacker's muscles to do a great deal of work rapidly. But the work is not directed toward any particular movement. The rapid work cycle instantly depletes the attacker's blood sugar by converting it to lactic acid. The attacker is left unable to produce energy and too weak to move.

I was just thinking how this action alone would stop the digestion time...oh well

I believe it was a stun gun, I don't believe the police were as well versed on the topic in '96 as the street people in Boulder, who all seemed to own at least one. This perfect measurement narrowing to the air-taser seems off, but that's JMO. Did they check the others against the marks? Why should they? They won't admit they are stun marks?

Richenbacher, I don't believe ever went down that basement, I believe French was in the house, followed shortly by White, I can not say that White didn't go down before French, as he COULD HAVE!
I believe White is the obsessive type, if a chair was lying on the floor he would have made it upright, he just did these kinds of things compulsively, according to what I've read, it would make sense that he was the "guy" who went down there after French and before John, but I don't know this.

There was nothing particularly drawing one to that basement, so the fact he went down at all is a hmmm. I believe he said something to John, which aroused John's curiosity enough for him to eventually make that trip down himself.
 
  • #56
sissi:
yes I believe Fleet White made straight down for the BASEMENT ! Ive always thought that very curious, since the child is meant to have been in her bed , so it would seem natural to search top down, from her bedroom ... and FleeT Whites reason for doing it, seemed pretty lame to me.

Also given he took Burke away, no questions asked, makes me wonder if some discussion had taken place on the phone. It was such a serious situation, surely not a nod and a wink affair ?
 
  • #57
RedChief:

I know but 1st responders have a duty of care to any surviving occupants in a domestic crime, burgalry, assault, kidnapping or domestic homicide etc, no need for wiggle room its written into law.

But as you point out its not always observed especially over xmas holiday. But Officer French if his report is correct seemed to do most of the right stuff, he searched for prowlers , made sure the building was secure etc.
 
  • #58
UKGuy,

Do you think the note writer expected LE to comb the house immediately upon arrival? What's your opinion regarding that?

I don't know who went down and checked the "white door" first, nor who entered the train room first. If we could pin some of this down, we'd have a better crack at distinguishing false reports from truthful ones.

It may have been French, but if you read the relevant portion of Chapter 3 in Thomas' book you get the distinct impression that it was not French. Thomas has French busy with the parents and the note, etc.; basically obtaining some background information and getting oriented.

From Thomas book: "French stepped away from them [the parents with whom he had been conferring and with whom he had been examining the note] to meet Sergeant Reichenbach [who also headed for the scene as soon as he heard the dispatcher's unusual call] at the front door and confirmed that it looked as if there might have been a kidnapping. But, he observed, 'something isn't right'."

Reichenbach got there shortly after French. It's all in the book.
 
  • #59
RedChief said:
UKGuy,
Do you think the note writer expected LE to comb the house immediately upon arrival? What's your opinion regarding that?
No the note writer expected the LE to put out an all cars alert, if it was today it would be an all devices Amber Alert, going up on highway readouts and car radios etc. The intention of the note was diversionary. At the point of entry of the responding officer, it suggested a kidnapping and not a homicide it pointed the LE focus out of the house not into it. This strategy WORKED, LE assumed a kidnapping until her body was found.

Yes Reichenbach arrived just after french, he may even have been coterminous with French, was he not cruising in the area? But it was French who went and did the security check.

I suspect its possible John had hinted something to Fleet White, with John expecting Fleet to find the body, but that never happened.

I'll post some more in the other thread ....
 
  • #60
UKGuy said:
Yes Reichenbach arrived just after french, he may even have been coterminous with French, was he not cruising in the area? But it was French who went and did the security check.

No, Reichenbach was not cruising in the area, if that's what you were asking. French was on drive-about; Rbch was at his desk at the BPD.

"It was French who went and did the security check."-----SOURCE? Thomas says it was Rbch.
 

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