True or False?

[RedChief]

The mark/burn on her neck looks very much the result of a curling iron.

Miss Daisey,

Have you seen such marks that you know are the result of a curling iron?

Jes' askin'.

 

[sissi]

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True or false?:

The ownership of the bat found in the yard, the one with a fiber or fibers on it, consistent with fibers from the carpet in the basement, has yet to be determined?

sissi....true

Helgoth committed suicide as opposed to being murdered or the victim of an accidental gunshot wound?

sissi....likely false

Helgoth owned a wolf-dog?
sissi..true

Helgoth owned an air-taser stun gun?
sissi...true

Helgoth owned Hi-Tec boots?
sissi...true

Helgoth was unnaturally fond of little girls?
sissi..hmm..not sure
The BPD has yet to turn over the Helgoth boots to the DA?
sissi...true

Wolf, on the evening of December 26, while watching a breaking TV news report of the death of JBR, prior to the disclosure of her injuries to the public, exclaimed to his lady friend, Ms. Dilson, "I hope the fxxxxx dies. He was sexually abusing her." or words to that effect?

true

Question regarding the above: how could Wolf know (or even suspect) that Ramsey was abusing his daughter, prior to the disclosure of the nature of her death?

his only contact in common was Santa..perhaps a dark conversation?

Wolf was eliminated as the writer of the ransom note?

not sure
Wolf was antagonistic toward big business, especially of the military-industrial kind?

Wolf had never interviewed any employee of Access Graphics?
false

Wolf was fully cooperative with the Boulder Police from the get-go?
false

Handwriting analysis was done on exemplars provided by Mrs. Santa?

they were taken, analysed...don't know
Kevin Raburn was thoroughly investigated?
don't know

Comment regarding the above "suspect": Do you remember the Clutter Case, the subject of In Cold Blood, by Capote? Do you remember that one of the perpetrators (who claimed he wasn't the shooter, but was tried, convicted and executed anyway) admitted to passing bad checks and egaging in theft and the like, but denied ever killing anyone? "I ain't no killer", he said. Remind you of anyone connected to this case?
photographer

Kevin Raburn had funds amounting to $118,000 (ample means) that he could dip into following his release from prison?
don't know

Comment regarding the above "suspect": Recall that the aforementioned participant in the Clutter killing hatched the scheme to rob the Clutters while still in the big house?
don't know
Keep them true or false questions coming.

Is it or is it not a fact that........?

It's amazing, I thought I knew more, but the truth...some of what I think I know is based on questionable media releases.
I tend to trust the depositions, yet I know(even) I have lied "just a little white", in a deposition.
edit: oops, I really "messed" up the format..

 

[Jayelles]

Re the stungun on the duct tape:-

There was a lot of technicalese there but I waded through it and I just want to ask if I'm getting the correct understanding.

Basically, I think you are saying that the insulation properties of the duct tape would not prevent the stungun frmo working - but that you need to know the fibre construction of the tape in order to establish the route that the electricity would make through to the skin?

Does this mean that the burning effect of the stungun could spread through the duct tape and cause a duct tape shaped burn?

Now here is a point that interests me. In some of the autopsy photos of JBR;s face, there is a white mark on her chin - #roughly# the correct distance from the large mark as a second stungun prong would be. jameson has suggested that this white deposit is adhesive from the duct tape which melted onto her skin.

More questions:-

In my experience of using black duct tape (I use it backstage in theatre) - the adhesive does not leave a white deposit but then I'm not in the habit of applying a stungun to it!

Secondly - if the stungun heated the duct tape to a sufficient extent as to melt the adhesive and cause it to ermain on the skin after the tape was removed - SURELY there would be matching marks on the duct tape itself - evidence of burning/melting? If so, this would be STONG evidence of an electrical burn which would go a long way to supporting Lou Smit's theory. WHY, why why has he never mentioned this when he has presented his stungun theory?

Has the duct tape been analysed for evidence of heat/burn/melting?

As I said - the stungun issue only raises more questions.

Regarding the pig experiment. According to jameson, the pig did die after the tests. So what happened to the stungun marks after death? The pigmarks look nothing like the marks on Jonbenet IMO. They look like litle burns - which is what they are. jameson argues that we haven't seen all of the pig photos (with a hint that pig photos exist which look more like the marks on JBR). Again this is an argument which doesn't make sense. If pictures exist of the pigmarks which more closely resemble the marks on JBR than the ones we have seen - why aren't those being shown instead of pictures that do not resemble them?

Lou SMit had a theory - he went on national tv to present his theory in an effort to convince the American public that the Ramseys were innocent - so why didn't he use the best photos for comparison - and why didn't he mention melting/burning of the duct tape?

PS - sorry for any typos - I'm getting used to a new keyboard and I'm also extremely lazy about proof-reading.

 

[Miss Daisey]

Miss Daisey,

Have you seen such marks that you know are the result of a curling iron?

Jes' askin'.

Sure have, RedChief. Those things are wicked.

Another thought; Wasn't there some craft work/hobbys done in the basement? Those wood burning kits that little boys fool around with will burn the heck out of you too. The end of the burning tool is round but smaller than a curling iron. Also, tools such as those used for working on Burke's train set look reasonably suspect; like saudering (sp) tools.

 

[RedChief]

Yeah, Jayelles, to heck with proof reading. We have more important things to do.

Tape interfere with stunning? Very little.

Determine path through tape: Mostly perpendicular; directly through the skin and into the tissue, nerves, etc., beneath it; a minor amount of current over the surface of the skin intervening between the electrodes; a miniscule (if the tape is clean) amount over the surface of the tape intervening between the electrodes.

Could the tape adhesive melt? Yes, theoretically, if the gun were energized long enough; but, I can't say with absolute certainty. The bulk of the melting, if any, would be directly under the electrode--spot-welded as it were. I have no experience with such guns.

The white mark: I think that's along the jaw line (not on the chin) and very near the faint mark that I mentioned previously as a possible candidate for the "missing" mark. The white mark is only visible in one photo, so maybe whatever it was it fell off in handling the body, or just doesn't show up well, if at all, in the other photos. Doesn't look like tape adhesive to me. Looks more like a fleck of slobber or some such thing. Don't you think the coroner would have mentioned this thermal deposit if it were there? So you've taken to believing everything that Jameson says, have you?

Yes, the tape can leave an adhesive deposit, but usually only after having been in position for a long time and probably not on the skin. I suppose the investigators noticed evidence on the body that the tape having been covering the mouth? I don't see that evidence in the photos. They did mention evidence on the tape that it had been applied over mucous on the mouth. What do you make of that?

Maybe you should try stunning your theater tape; might make it stick better. Don't set the building on fire.

Smit hasn't mentioned the spot containing the dermal-adhesive alloy because it doesn't exist. I agree whole-heartedly.

I'm sure the duct tape has been analyzed for evidence of the use of a stun gun. This is also something, if it existed (the melt mark), that Thomas would surely have mentioned in his book; further it would have been much talked about in the media.

The stun gun issue raises more questions: well, yes, it seems to point away from the Ramseys (only an intruder would have done this); but don't you think Lou is sincere? The one big mark on the face and the two on the back do look like burns to me. How do we account for them, burns or no?

Your points about the new and improved pig marks and the melted duct tape are very good ones. They haven't been mentioned by Smit in support of his theory, because they don't exist.

I actually did quite a lot of research on stun marks, as I'm sure we all have, and was impressed with what some of the experts had to say. I came away with the understanding that stun marks ARE reddish (pinkish) and are little WELTS that remain on the body after death, but disappear rather quickly on living human beings. But, it is also my understanding the little reddish welts are made by direct application of the electrodes to the skin. I have seen a photo of a body that was stunned (so it was believed) with one electrode close to, but not contacting, the skin. Recall that charring (a form of oxidation) requires oxygen (from the air) is blackish (carbonized) in appearance. So, the big mark, could have been made by a stun gun that had not made direct contact with the skin; but, why this would be so, is a bit puzzling, since it would appear that the face was readily accessible. However, it's possible that something (an item of clothing or a blanket or a sheet or a pillow case, was in the way and had prevented direct contact).

Lots of possibilities. We've got to figure out what made all those marks on her neck, face and back, speaking of which, both marks on the back resemble the big mark on the face. It is easier to believe that they are brownish, rather than pink or red, because she was stunned through her clothing at that location. That would be consistent with what I've postulated above about the big mark near the ear.

Why didn't Smit experiment with clothed pigs, or did he?

 

[Jayelles]

Unfortunately, I cannot experiment with stunguns because I'm pretty sure it would be considered an offensive weapon and therefore illegal here. Actually, I just don't know.

I tend to think that if it could be proved that a stungun were used, then it would exonerate the ramseys - but my husband (who doesn't have much to say about the ramsey case) doesn't agree that this is necessarily so ... however, this is another argument altogether.

I would really like to know the fine details of Smit and Doberson's experiments and I'd like to see the details of Dr Stratbuckers experiments and I'd like to hear both parties comments on the other's experiments.

When one makes a close graphical analysis of the images of the stungun and the pig marks, then they match exactly in dimensions. The marks on JonBenet do not match the prongs on the Air taser. It seems to me that proponents of the stungun theory spend a LOT of time explainng why the marks do NOT match the pigmarks:-

- the prong landed on duct tape
- the pig did not die (then when I criticised Doberson for not slaughtering the - pig I was told that the pig DID die)
- the stungun was modified in some way
- JonBenet was being held down
- Jonbenet was twisting at the time
- the pig was used because its skin tisssue closely matches a human's
- a pig's skin tissue is NOT human and therefore cannot be expected to look the same

the list goes on ad nauseam

Stratbucker did extensive experiments on human volunteers. He was really focusing on the effects of such a device on the heart and such, but in the process, he noted the effects on the skin. As you say, the marks were described as being pink and they faded quickly. Only one volunteer had marks after a couple of hours and he was described as being of mediterranean origin.

Now, supposing that JonBenet was stunned in her bed - at the very start of her ordeal at the hands of her killer. How long before she died? During that time, the marks would be fading and healing. The killer had still to take her to the basement, sexually assault her, find the cord and paintbrush, create the garrote, slowly strangle her and then beat her on the head. Build into that some thinking time. and I really doubt that her ordeal could have lasted less than twenty minutes and probably much longer.

The marks on JonBenet more closely resemble those on gerald Boggs AFTER he'd been in the ground for 8 months.

 

[BlueCrab]

Unfortunately, I cannot experiment with stunguns because I'm pretty sure it would be considered an offensive weapon and therefore illegal here. Actually, I just don't know.

I tend to think that if it could be proved that a stungun were used, then it would exonerate the ramseys - but my husband (who doesn't have much to say about the ramsey case) doesn't agree that this is necessarily so ... however, this is another argument altogether.

I would really like to know the fine details of Smit and Doberson's experiments and I'd like to see the details of Dr Stratbuckers experiments and I'd like to hear both parties comments on the other's experiments.

When one makes a close graphical analysis of the images of the stungun and the pig marks, then they match exactly in dimensions. The marks on JonBenet do not match the prongs on the Air taser. It seems to me that proponents of the stungun theory spend a LOT of time explainng why the marks do NOT match the pigmarks:-

- the prong landed on duct tape
- the pig did not die (then when I criticised Doberson for not slaughtering the - pig I was told that the pig DID die)
- the stungun was modified in some way
- JonBenet was being held down
- Jonbenet was twisting at the time
- the pig was used because its skin tisssue closely matches a human's
- a pig's skin tissue is NOT human and therefore cannot be expected to look the same

the list goes on ad nauseam

Stratbucker did extensive experiments on human volunteers. He was really focusing on the effects of such a device on the heart and such, but in the process, he noted the effects on the skin. As you say, the marks were described as being pink and they faded quickly. Only one volunteer had marks after a couple of hours and he was described as being of mediterranean origin.

Now, supposing that JonBenet was stunned in her bed - at the very start of her ordeal at the hands of her killer. How long before she died? During that time, the marks would be fading and healing. The killer had still to take her to the basement, sexually assault her, find the cord and paintbrush, create the garrote, slowly strangle her and then beat her on the head. Build into that some thinking time. and I really doubt that her ordeal could have lasted less than twenty minutes and probably much longer.

The marks on JonBenet more closely resemble those on gerald Boggs AFTER he'd been in the ground for 8 months.

Jayelles,

Sorry, but the injuries on JonBenet's back do indeed exactly match the marks of a Taser brand stun gun.

As you know, Cutter, a former poster at this forum, was the single-biggest proponent of the stun gun marks on JonBenet being a myth. But please take Cutter's own photos he used and measure the distance between the prongs of the Taser stun gun and then measure the distance between the marks on JonBenet's back. Both distances, measured centerline to centerline, are 3.5 cm. Cutter made a mistake when he made his measurements. He measured between the edges instead of between the centerlines.

It's true the tiny twin rectangular burns left by the Taser's prongs on JonBenet's back do not align perfectly when compared to the same marks left on the pig, but that minute misalignment has been satisfactorily explained. JonBenet's skin was thin and pliable, and easily distorted when the stun gun was jammed against her. The pig's skin was thick and firm, and did not distort.

Jayelles, I don't think Stratbucker used humans to experiment on. He, like Dobersen, used pigs. You're probably referring to the poster here who said her ex, a cop, had to be stungunned before he was certified to carry an Air Taser.

With respect to JonBenet being stungunned in her bed to disable her so as to be carried downstairs, that's impossible. JonBenet ate pineapple downstairs at the breakfast room table about one hour before she died. She would not have willingly come downstairs to snack on pineapple with someone who had just stungunned her. She was likely downstairs with Burke. It was HIS fingerprints on the bowl of pineapple.

Also, the stungunning of JonBenet would not clear the Ramseys. IMO there was a fifth person in the house that night. He had been invited in by the parents, or Burke had snuck him into the house after the parents went to bed. That fifth person is the reason so many crime scene items of evidence are missing -- including the roll of tape, the rest of the nylon cord, and the stun gun.

BlueCrab

 

[Jayelles]

Jayelles,

Sorry, but the injuries on JonBenet's back do indeed exactly match the marks of a Taser brand stun gun.

As you know, Cutter, a former poster at this forum, was the single-biggest proponent of the stun gun marks on JonBenet being a myth. But please take Cutter's own photos he used and measure the distance between the prongs of the Taser stun gun and then measure the distance between the marks on JonBenet's back. Both distances, measured centerline to centerline, are 3.5 cm. Cutter made a mistake when he made his measurements. He measured between the edges instead of between the centerlines.

It's true the tiny twin rectangular burns left by the Taser's prongs on JonBenet's back do not align perfectly when compared to the same marks left on the pig, but that minute misalignment has been satisfactorily explained. JonBenet's skin was thin and pliable, and easily distorted when the stun gun was jammed against her. The pig's skin was thick and firm, and did not distort.

Jayelles, I don't think Stratbucker used humans to experiment on. He, like Dobersen, used pigs. You're probably referring to the poster here who said her ex, a cop, had to be stungunned before he was certified to carry an Air Taser.

With respect to JonBenet being stungunned in her bed to disable her so as to be carried downstairs, that's impossible. JonBenet ate pineapple downstairs at the breakfast room table about one hour before she died. She would not have willingly come downstairs to snack on pineapple with someone who had just stungunned her. She was likely downstairs with Burke. It was HIS fingerprints on the bowl of pineapple.

Also, the stungunning of JonBenet would not clear the Ramseys. IMO there was a fifth person in the house that night. He had been invited in by the parents, or Burke had snuck him into the house after the parents went to bed. That fifth person is the reason so many crime scene items of evidence are missing -- including the roll of tape, the rest of the nylon cord, and the stun gun.

BlueCrab

Bluecrab we've been over this time and time again. The images that I used were correctly scaled by the autopsy rulers. I used numerous controls to ensure the integrity of the measurements and I had a computer graphics expert check them. We also used a method which was far more accurate than Cutter's - we sized the images, then printed them off on acetate and overlaid them. They do not match - end of story. Taser have copies of the work done.

Dr stratbucker did indeed experiment on humans. Here is a report of one of his experiments:-

http://www.paktronix.com/stun93.html

 

[RedChief]

The marks on JonBenet more closely resemble those on gerald Boggs AFTER he'd been in the ground for 8 months.

Jayelles,

Yeah, you might be on to something with the Boggs comparison. JBR could have been stunned AFTER she was murdered. Did Smit experiment with dead pigs too? Why did he select pigs? Their hide is tougher than shoe leather; not a very good surrogate.

How long before she died? Well, I doubt much healing and fading would have taken place in that short span of time, be it a few minutes or a few hours, so the marks probably wouldn't have vanished, but, as you seem to be thinking, they'd probably not be the brownish marks seen in the photos. Of course, if stunning took place, we can't know whether it occurred right at first or toward the end, can we? And, how long do the marks remain pinkish on a dead body? I assume that the marks on Boggs were pinkish to start with. Might be comparing apples to oranges.

No, proof of stunning doesn't exonerate the Ramseys; just requires a little revision of the RDI/BDI theory. It there a Christmas connection?

Why don't you give Lou a call, and let us know what he had to say.

Dimensions of taser and separation of marks do not match? Well, isn't this a revolting development. Reminds me of what Douglas had to say about the PDI or JDI or DBI (collectively known as RDI) theory: you gotta jump through a lot of hoops to make it work.

Maybe JonBenet is of mediteranean origin? Is that what you're suggesting?

 

[BlueCrab]

Scale it yourself folks. The distance between the prongs on a Taser brand stun gun is 3.5 cm. Here's the crime scene photo of the stun gun marks on JonBenet's back. Cutter said the marks are 2.9 cm apart. I say the marks on JonBenet are 3.5 cm apart -- the same distance apart as the stun gun prongs.

http://www.acandyrose.com/jonbenetbackmarks.ipg


I can't make the url work. Just go to ACandyRose and click on The Crime Scene, and then Autopsy Photos.

 

[RedChief]

I get roughly 3.3 cm; close enough for government work?

Is it absolutely necessary that the gun be an air-taser? Would an air-taser leave a unique signature? It can be configured to launch it's electrodes, can't it? How does that affect the uniqueness of the electrodes if at all?

 

[RedChief]

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Dr stratbucker did indeed experiment on humans. Here is a report of one of his experiments:-

http://www.paktronix.com/stun93.html

Jayelles,

The above-referenced report doesn't say how long the marks persisted. It tells how long the wheals persisted. Only a few of the marks were accompanied by wheals. It would be nice to know how long the marks persisted on the white guys. It was my understanding that the wheals (welts) were likened to hives. One might even liken them to bee stings, but that is not how they were characterized in the report.

Her's a hypothetical by way of illustration: Suppose JBR were stunned while alive and died 1 hour later. Suppose, further, that the gun electrodes were pressed directly against her skin. Suppose, further, that she were stunned for 3 seconds. Suppose, further, that her body were discovered and examined .5 hr after she died. One might expect to find evidence of the stunning in the form of pinkish marks, raised (wheals) or otherwise, at the site of application, according to stratbruker. Let's assume the marks were whealed. Now, another hypothetical identical to the previous except the body is found and examined 8 hours after she died. Though marks should remain, according to the experts, would the marks be pinkish, and would they remain whealed?

That is the question....

 

[RedChief]

White searched basement within 15 min of his arrival?

White was the first to visit the train room?

White was the first to visit the wine cellar?

White encountered stuff blocking the entrance to the train room?

White moved stuff aside in order to gain entry to the train room?

White put the stuff back, more or less as he had found it, upon leaving the train room?

The stuff which John referred to (chair and/or boxes and/or etc.) was inside the train room and blocking entry?

The stuff which John referred to was outside the train room but blocking entry?

Reichenback was the second to descend into the basement and check the door to the wine cellar?

John was the second to descend into the basement and check the door to the wine cellar?

John checked the door to the wine cellar on his first visit?

John checked the door to the wine cellar on his second visit?

John checked the door to the wine cellar on his third visit?

Officer French was the first to check the door to the wine cellar?

Officer French was the second to check the door to the wine cellar?

Officer French was the third to check the door to the wine cellar?

The sequence was Reichenbach, White, Ramsey, French?

The sequence was White, Reichenbach, Ramsey, French?

The sequence was Ramsey, White, Reichenbach, French?

The sequence was none of the aforementioned?

Question regarding the sequence: If White entered the train room before Ramsey, how did he gain entrance to the train room without moving the stuff?

Lt. Arndt arrived within minutes of Officer French's arrival?

 

[BlueCrab]

I get roughly 3.3 cm; close enough for government work?

Is it absolutely necessary that the gun be an air-taser? Would an air-taser leave a unique signature? It can be configured to launch it's electrodes, can't it? How does that affect the uniqueness of the electrodes if at all?

RedChief,

Yes, the burn injuries on JonBenet match the Taser the closest. The Taser has rectangular prongs on their business ends, and these match the rectangular signature marks on JonBenet. Other brands of guns have varying distances between the electrodes and differently shaped business ends.

The Taser that stungunned JonBenet may or may not have been equipped with the dart feature. I doubt it, because that was 1996 and the Air Taser was relatively new then. The Taser with darts has become popular more recently since it fits the needs of police departments. In fact, I understand thatTasers with the dart feature are illegal in most states and are strictly for LE use.

 

[RedChief]

BlueCrab,

I've just been looking at the marks. Do my eyes deceive me or do I notice that the two marks in each pair are of unequal size; that is to say the marks which constitute pair #1 on face are of unequal size; the marks which constitue pair #2 on the back are similarly of unequal size? Is this further evidence that whatever made pair #1 also made pair #2, and, further, could this asymmetry be traced to a particular stun gun; say Helgoth's stun gun? Has that comparison been made?

Holy mackerel!

 

[sissi]

The BPD did confiscate McElroy's stun gun,then nicely replaced it for him on the BPD tab. I do wonder if they checked for the same. They took among his belongings, his shoes, sharpies, examples of his ultraviolent writings, along with that stun gun.

 

[BlueCrab]

White searched basement within 15 min of his arrival?

White was the first to visit the train room?

White was the first to visit the wine cellar?

White encountered stuff blocking the entrance to the train room?

White moved stuff aside in order to gain entry to the train room?

White put the stuff back, more or less as he had found it, upon leaving the train room?

The stuff which John referred to (chair and/or boxes and/or etc.) was inside the train room and blocking entry?

The stuff which John referred to was outside the train room but blocking entry?

Reichenback was the second to descend into the basement and check the door to the wine cellar?

John was the second to descend into the basement and check the door to the wine cellar?

John checked the door to the wine cellar on his first visit?

John checked the door to the wine cellar on his second visit?

John checked the door to the wine cellar on his third visit?

Officer French was the first to check the door to the wine cellar?

Officer French was the second to check the door to the wine cellar?

Officer French was the third to check the door to the wine cellar?

The sequence was Reichenbach, White, Ramsey, French?

The sequence was White, Reichenbach, Ramsey, French?

The sequence was Ramsey, White, Reichenbach, French?

The sequence was none of the aforementioned?

Question regarding the sequence: If White entered the train room before Ramsey, how did he gain entrance to the train room without moving the stuff?

Lt. Arndt arrived within minutes of Officer French's arrival?

RedChief,

The answer to your above multiple choice questionnaire is none of the above.

Here's the conventionally-accepted sequence of people entering the train room that morning:

Officer French -- at about 6:05 A.M.
Fleet White -- at about 6:20 A.M.
perhaps Sgt. Reichenbach -- at about 6:30 A.M.
Crime scene photographer -- probably 7:00 to 9:00 A.M.
John Ramsey -- solo at about 10:00 to 11:00 A.M.

Here's what I think the sequence of people entering the train room that morning was:

John Ramsey -- solo at about 4:00 - 4:30 A.M.
Officer French -- at about 6:05 A.M.
Fleet White -- at about 6:20 A.M.
perhaps Sgt. Reichenbach -- at about 6:30 A.M.
Crime scene photographer -- probably 7:00 to 9:00 A.M.
John Ramsey -- solo at about 10:00 to 11:00 A.M.

IMO John Ramsey was in the basement prior to the 5:52 A.M. 911 call because in the 1998 interviews he apparently slipped and said he had to remove the chair and some boxes from in front of the train room door (which swung outwards) before he could enter the room. But neither French, nor White, nor Reichenbach, nor the crime scene photographer said or reported anything about the train room door being blocked. Therefore, John had likely been in the basement before them.

John said he had not searched in the basement for JonBenet that morning. He had obviously lied about it. Common sense would also say he would have searched the basement. The chair comment pretty much proved he searched in the basement, and lied about it.

BlueCrab

 

[RedChief]

The BPD did confiscate McElroy's stun gun,then nicely replaced it for him on the BPD tab. I do wonder if they checked for the same. They took among his belongings, his shoes, sharpies, examples of his ultraviolent writings, along with that stun gun.

sissi,

You know, if these marks were made with a stun gun, it just may be that this stun gun has this idosyncracy (this asymmetry); it may be that the gun isn't working quite right, or has been modified, either electronically or physically. It may be that is has a pitted electrode on one side, the side which makes the bigger, more prominent mark, because it doesn't sit flush with the skin when it's applied.

At any rate, any suspect gun which is in the custody of LE should be tested to see if it produces asymmetric marks like this.

Absolutely! No kidding!

 

[RedChief]

BlueCrab,

Thanks for the sequence information. Steve Thomas doesn't agree with you as to sequence. In "JB inside the investigation" he has Reichenbach going down to the basement first, followed by White, then French, then Ramsey.

It appears to me that this is something we need to be sure of. What's your opinion?

Three, four, close the door...

 

[BlueCrab]

BlueCrab,

Thanks for the sequence information. Steve Thomas doesn't agree with you as to sequence. In "JB inside the investigation" he has Reichenbach going down to the basement first, followed by White, then French, then Ramsey.

It appears to me that this is something we need to be sure of. What's your opinion?

Three, four, close the door...

RedChief,

PMPT pb, pg 7: "Earlier, Rick French, the first police officer to respond to the mother's 911 call, had immediately searched the house for the child and for any sign of forced entry, but he found nothing."