Tucker Carlson refuses to apologize amid uproar over his comments defending child rape

[Wagtales10]

Does he have a girlfriend, sister, children?

And if he has a gf. How old is she?

Everyone is 100% against R. kelly, and TC told the world he feels the same.

 

[Shin Masamura]

And if he has a gf. How old is she?

Everyone is 100% against R. kelly, and TC told the world he feels the same.

Doing some research, Sara Carlson his wife (age 49) and him have been together since 10th grade and married in 1991. I couldn't find the quote of him saying he feels the same way as R.Kelly however..

 

[Wagtales10]

Doing some research, Sara Carlson his wife (age 49) and him have been together since 10th grade and married in 1991. I couldn't find the quote of him saying he feels the same way as R.Kelly however..

ok? Does he have a gf?

""Carlson said the real reason Jeffs was in prison was 'because he's weird and unpopular and he has a different lifestyle that other people find creepy.' He said that if he made the laws, Jeffs would go free..."

So advocating to get rid of child marriage and age of consent laws are not feeling the same way as R kelly? He is saying that people who think pedophilia is wrong only disagree because of lifestyle differences. He is saying he doesn't believe its wrong.

Have you actually read what Tucker said?

 

[human]

I wonder what the wife thinks?

It is interesting that the underside of the ugly of America is coming out. I never guessed so many people looked at females as commodities

 

[Shin Masamura]

it 100% is not.

les moonves and Matt Lauer have threads and people are adult enough to talk about them without politics. So can be done here.

I 100% agree with Wags, its commentary on a reporter, non political. I think the context is whats missing, lets take the four topics posed in the discussion including if he defends child rape:

1.He made extremely insulting comments about all women
He feels "sorry for unattractive women," uses the c-word to describe a woman, calls one woman a "pig" and refers to two other women as "."

Direct Transcript

In 2010, he said of now Supreme Court Justice Elena Kagan: “I don’t like [Kagan] and I wouldn’t vote to confirm her if I were a US senator. But I do feel sorry for her in that way. I feel sorry for unattractive women. I mean it’s nothing they did. You know, she didn’t. Nobody deserves that.” In 2006, he called TV host Alexis Stewart “extremely c****” and called Ariana Huffington “a pig”.

2.He is a public media personality who defended a child rapist and child marriage

Yes he defended or obfuscated for this criminial Jeffs, but on child marriage (in his own words) "I am not defending underage marriage at all," Carlson said in a clip from 2009. "I just don't think it's the same thing exactly as pulling a child from a bus stop and sexually assaulting that child."

Further detail

The host also made controversial comments about statutory rape while defending Warren Jeffs, who, in 2009, was awaiting trial on sex crime charges in relation to a polygamist cult, that allegedly arranged marriages between adult men and underage girls. The case was eventually dismissed after two alleged victims backed out of testifying. In 2011, he was convicted on two counts of child sexual assault and sentenced to life in prison.

“The rapist, in this case, has made a lifelong commitment to live and take care of the person, so it is a little different. I mean, let’s be honest about it,” Carlson said. “Here’s my point: If a guy wants to be polygamist, that’s kind of his business.”

After he was questioned about the age of the children involved, he responded: “He’s not accused of touching anybody; he is accused of facilitating a marriage between a 16-year-old girl and a 27-year-old man. That’s the accusation. That’s what they’re calling felony rape. [crosstalk] That’s bulls***. I’m sorry. Now this guy may be [crosstalk], may be a child rapist, I’m just telling you that arranging a marriage between a 16-year-old and a 27-year-old is not the same as pulling a stranger off the street and raping her.”

“It’s disgusting! I think the religion is ridiculous, I think it’s a cult, I think it’s totally immoral. But that’s not the point,” he continued. “The question is, two questions – one: Is this guy one of the top 10 most dangerous people in America? The answer is no, unequivocally no. And two: If you’re, like, for the government butting out of the bedroom and for gay marriage, and for the right of strip clubs to operate unimpeded by governments – how exactly can you be against polygamy? On what grounds are you against polygamy? I don’t get that.”


3.""Carlson said the real reason Jeffs was in prison was 'because he's weird and unpopular and he has a different lifestyle that other people find creepy.' He said that if he made the laws, Jeffs would go free..."

The full quote is:
Carlson said the real reason Jeffs was in prison was "because he's weird and unpopular and he has a different lifestyle that other people find creepy." He said that if he made the laws, Jeffs would go free while former NFL quarterback Michael Vick would have been given the death penalty for dog fighting.

"I'm not for child rape. I'm just saying, if you mistreat dogs like that, we're going to have to execute you," he said.

*My take is that he is comparing two evils, wrongly I might add as I always value human life over any animal any day of the week. But to say he supports laws abolishing statutory rape is a stretch.

4.He made perverted comments about his daughters 14 year old friends

The show host talks about Tucker Carlson’s 14-year-old daughter and girls her age at school sexually experimenting with each other(in regards to growing trends). Mr Carlson responds: “If it weren’t my daughter I would love that scenario.”

My take is that if he was a guy in highschool.. not her specific friends.. I could be wrong.. don't know the guy

Listen I don't know what is in the guys heart, I just thought there would be a thread of these pedo thought trails out there. Instead im seeing clipping out of context all in one article. I think we are both on the same side of the article when it comes to this Jeffs character and the underage treatment of minors across the board, just agree to disagree the context all this is being said and why it is brought to the forfront as it is.. thanks for your time on this and respect the civil conversation outside of the one insinuation towards me.
Tucker Carlson refuses to apologise for calling women 'extremely primitive'

 

[Sillybilly]

This thread is not about politics. This is a thread about a man who is a reporter who made comments that many feel are deserving of discussion as it relates protection of children.

It is ONLY political if a member makes it so. Make it political and you will find yourself on the outside looking in.

 

[Jax49]

This thread is not about politics. This is a thread about a man who is a reporter who made comments that many feel are deserving of discussion as it relates protection of children.

It is ONLY political if a member makes it so. Make it political and you will find yourself on the outside looking in.

Thank you!

 

[Wagtales10]

I 100% agree with Wags, its commentary on a reporter, non political. I think the context is whats missing, lets take the four topics posed in the discussion including if he defends child rape:

1.He made extremely insulting comments about all women
He feels "sorry for unattractive women," uses the c-word to describe a woman, calls one woman a "pig" and refers to two other women as "."

Direct Transcript

In 2010, he said of now Supreme Court Justice Elena Kagan: “I don’t like [Kagan] and I wouldn’t vote to confirm her if I were a US senator. But I do feel sorry for her in that way. I feel sorry for unattractive women. I mean it’s nothing they did. You know, she didn’t. Nobody deserves that.” In 2006, he called TV host Alexis Stewart “extremely c****” and called Ariana Huffington “a pig”.

2.He is a public media personality who defended a child rapist and child marriage

Yes he defended or obfuscated for this criminial Jeffs, but on child marriage (in his own words) "I am not defending underage marriage at all," Carlson said in a clip from 2009. "I just don't think it's the same thing exactly as pulling a child from a bus stop and sexually assaulting that child."

Further detail

The host also made controversial comments about statutory rape while defending Warren Jeffs, who, in 2009, was awaiting trial on sex crime charges in relation to a polygamist cult, that allegedly arranged marriages between adult men and underage girls. The case was eventually dismissed after two alleged victims backed out of testifying. In 2011, he was convicted on two counts of child sexual assault and sentenced to life in prison.

“The rapist, in this case, has made a lifelong commitment to live and take care of the person, so it is a little different. I mean, let’s be honest about it,” Carlson said. “Here’s my point: If a guy wants to be polygamist, that’s kind of his business.”

After he was questioned about the age of the children involved, he responded: “He’s not accused of touching anybody; he is accused of facilitating a marriage between a 16-year-old girl and a 27-year-old man. That’s the accusation. That’s what they’re calling felony rape. [crosstalk] That’s bulls***. I’m sorry. Now this guy may be [crosstalk], may be a child rapist, I’m just telling you that arranging a marriage between a 16-year-old and a 27-year-old is not the same as pulling a stranger off the street and raping her.”

“It’s disgusting! I think the religion is ridiculous, I think it’s a cult, I think it’s totally immoral. But that’s not the point,” he continued. “The question is, two questions – one: Is this guy one of the top 10 most dangerous people in America? The answer is no, unequivocally no. And two: If you’re, like, for the government butting out of the bedroom and for gay marriage, and for the right of strip clubs to operate unimpeded by governments – how exactly can you be against polygamy? On what grounds are you against polygamy? I don’t get that.”


3.""Carlson said the real reason Jeffs was in prison was 'because he's weird and unpopular and he has a different lifestyle that other people find creepy.' He said that if he made the laws, Jeffs would go free..."

The full quote is:
Carlson said the real reason Jeffs was in prison was "because he's weird and unpopular and he has a different lifestyle that other people find creepy." He said that if he made the laws, Jeffs would go free while former NFL quarterback Michael Vick would have been given the death penalty for dog fighting.

"I'm not for child rape. I'm just saying, if you mistreat dogs like that, we're going to have to execute you," he said.

*My take is that he is comparing two evils, wrongly I might add as I always value human life over any animal any day of the week. But to say he supports laws abolishing statutory rape is a stretch.

4.He made perverted comments about his daughters 14 year old friends

The show host talks about Tucker Carlson’s 14-year-old daughter and girls her age at school sexually experimenting with each other(in regards to growing trends). Mr Carlson responds: “If it weren’t my daughter I would love that scenario.”

My take is that if he was a guy in highschool.. not her specific friends.. I could be wrong.. don't know the guy

Listen I don't know what is in the guys heart, I just thought there would be a thread of these pedo thought trails out there. Instead im seeing clipping out of context all in one article. I think we are both on the same side of the article when it comes to this Jeffs character and the underage treatment of minors across the board, just agree to disagree the context all this is being said and why it is brought to the forfront as it is.. thanks for your time on this and respect the civil conversation outside of the one insinuation towards me.
Tucker Carlson refuses to apologise for calling women 'extremely primitive'

So him stating he would change the law to make child marriage and statutory rape legal is not indictitive of his thoughts on it?

Compiled with all the other context it paints a picture of his personal beliefs which are pretty disgusting.

It’s his words. He says if it was up to him the crimes of facilitating the rape of a minor would be legal and Jeff’s would be free?

 

[Wagtales10]

Wow more and more Is coming.

Please remember this is not a hack, or spoken in private. He made these publicly on recorded record so everyone can hear.

He wants us to know he believes this disgusting rhetoric.

I’ll let the next person post the next set of transcripts from the even more vile statements he has made and oublically promoted

 

[Reasonable & Just]

I appreciate the work done to provide context, but I don't think context is helping him here at all...it's bad no matter what, IMO.

He's a popular guy, and it's probably pretty disappointing for his many fans to hear him talk like this, 10 years ago or not. We all know the feeling, no matter who we like to read, watch, listen to, dance to, laugh with. Maybe as a culture, we'll slowly shift away from celebrity worship after enough of these revelations.

 

[kaen]

Most concerning to me is that he says these things (justifying an adult taking advantage of or raping young men---pedophilia or, more correctly, ephebophilia):

“It’s not even in the same universe, actually,” he told McInnes, of statutory rape committed by women. “There are lots of things you have to play along with in life, and I understand society demands compromises,” Carlson continued. “But there is a limit beyond which I can’t pretend anymore. And calling—in this case, it was a 17-year-old kid—a ‘rape victim’ because a teacher, who wasn’t even that old, or married, was kind enough to initiate him into the ways of adulthood. I’m not just going to sit there.”

Teacher-student statutory rape is better than the alternative, Carlson explained, noting “my best friend was involved in a relationship like that when we were kids. There are not that many options. So you’re a 15-,16-, 17-year-old boy. You are driven by biology to procreate, so you are either going to be inflicting your attentions on one of your peers, who let’s be honest is not ready for it; she’s going to get hurt emotionally—90 percent, I mean I’ve never seen a woman—girl—not hurt at that age.”

“Or,” he continued, “you can have a safer, albeit technically illegal outlet, with a woman who knows what she’s doing. You’re not going to hurt her feelings. You know what I mean? This is harm reduction. This is like a needle exchange.”

“I’m not going to pretend that’s rape, because it’s not,” he added.

Carlson was referring to a case in Queens, New York, while getting a number of the facts completely wrong. FROM: Tucker Carlson Also Defended Statutory Rape in 2015

 

[cobalt sky]

Honestly, I'm so tired of living in the Age Of Eternal Outrage.

It's really very simple. If someone doesn't like what he has to say, don't tune in to his show. That goes the same for all other media personalities, many of which have unorthodox ways of thinking.

I might not like or respect what he has to say, but I respect his right to say it. That's how it's supposed to work here in the USA.

All IMO.

 

[kaen]

I go back to all of the Catholic priests who are under fire about having sex (or, as I call it rape). How could any adult person justify that a 15 yo male in a sexual relationship with an adult is not rape? I don't get it. Many young people and children are compliant in sexual abuse situations. In reality, some young people and children experience "pleasure" in these situations (The Shame No One Talks About In Sexual Abuse - Dr. Margaret Rutherford).

In what Carlson has said, where is the line? Why shouldn't older men train young girls to be good sex partners? why do people recoil at gay men preying on children if heterosexual women are okay? It is just so wrong to me. So offensive. I know boys who had sex with adult women. They are also victimized-- not really doing "The Graduate" cool to sleep with a married woman stance.

 

[Reasonable & Just]

Honestly, I'm so tired of living in the Age Of Eternal Outrage.

It's really very simple. If someone doesn't like what he has to say, don't tune in to his show. That goes the same for all other media personalities, many of which have unorthodox ways of thinking.

I might not like or respect what he has to say, but I respect his right to say it. That's how it's supposed to work here in the USA.

All IMO.

And in the USA, sponsors get to pull their cash. Broadcasters get to pull their shows. Other people get to voice their disgust. Still others get to voice their support. The First Amendment applies to retribution from government, not criticism from your fellow citizens.

Speak nasty in public, expect nasty in return. He's an adult and should have had more dignity.

 

[cobalt sky]

And in the USA, sponsors get to pull their cash. Broadcasters get to pull their shows. Other people get to voice their disgust. Still others get to voice their support. The First Amendment applies to retribution from government, not criticism from your fellow citizens.

Speak nasty in public, expect nasty in return. He's an adult and should have had more dignity.

BBM - yep, that's how it works. However there is a difference between expressing disagreement with someone and attempting to silence them altogether. The latter of which I do not agree with and I would hope no other American would either.

 

[Reasonable & Just]

Yes, I agree - if "silencing" him means violence or threats of violence, which is illegal and immoral. Anything else, like mockery, criticism, or pressure on sponsors, is exactly what he should expect as an adult and a media pro of many years.

 

[cobalt sky]

Yes, I agree - if "silencing" him means violence or threats of violence, which is illegal and immoral. Anything else, like mockery, criticism, or pressure on sponsors, is exactly what he should expect as an adult and a media pro of many years.

IMO, de-platforming is also a form of silencing.

It's not TC I'm concerned with, he is not going to be de-platformed, this "scandal" will only energize his followers and probably gain new ones .

It's the everyday regular people whose opinions differ from the status quo that risk becoming voiceless if a precedence is set making it the norm and acceptable to de-platform people with differing opinions. All IMO.

 

[scriabina]

BBM - yep, that's how it works. However there is a difference between expressing disagreement with someone and attempting to silence them altogether. The latter of which I do not agree with and I would hope no other American would either.

IMO, he should be fired. Firing him doesn't violate his freedom of speech. Firing him is not silencing him. He is free to speak his mind, but face the consequences. Society has to draw the line somewhere, and of course not everyone will agree on where that line should be drawn. However, to me, it seems pretty clear: a person who makes statements that downplay and make light of sexual abuse in children should NOT have his own national TV show (and be paid $6 million/year, at that).

 

[Reasonable & Just]

I don't have a show. It's not because I've been silenced. I'm just a regular citizen who could share my opinions on the many free social platforms available to me. My First Amendment rights are not abrogated by not making millions on TV or not having millions of follows and retweets. Tucker can join me in this and freely spread his opinions without being paid for it. I suppose if he becomes hateful or excessive in his speech, he may lose his social media, but again, lines get drawn all the time. He himself is quick to draw lines with others.

Moreover, if his fans and sponsors choose to ignore this, he'll be fine.

 

[cobalt sky]

IMO, he should be fired. Firing him doesn't violate his freedom of speech. Firing him is not silencing him. He is free to speak his mind, but face the consequences. Society has to draw the line somewhere, and of course not everyone will agree on where that line should be drawn. However, to me, it seems pretty clear: a person who makes statements that downplay and make light of sexual abuse in children should NOT be have his own national TV show (and be paid $6 million/year, at that).

BBM. So who gets to decide where the line is drawn? Do you see what I'm getting at?

Where is the outrage over certain genres of popular music in which the lyrics glorify the degradation, violence, and sexual exploitation of women including rape? I've heard far worse in those songs than anything TC has said. And there are pre-teens listening to this music. I don't think young kids really pay attention to what TC has to say lol.