TURKEY - George Smith, 26, missing from cruise ship, July 2005

Friday's show
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"Renowned forensic scientist, Dr. Henry Lee, joins the family of a missing groom as they return to the cruise ship where he was last seen. "Nancy Grace" airs live on Headline News at 8 p.m. and replays at 10 p.m. and 1 a.m. (All times Eastern)"
 
"Here's what I don't understand, and maybe I missed an important part of the story... When the ship was cleared after the forensics were taken, how could they set sail again, with the possibility that there were murderers on board? Wouldn't the passengers and crew be worried about being crime victims themselves?"

I think what happened is that the Captain of the ship immediately made the conclusion that it was either suicide or an accident. The ship was cleaned up, the wife was left on shore in Turkey, and the ship took off.

So no one on board would have been worried about it being foul play at that time.

And basically, what the family is saying is that RC cruises is doing this a lot - just making an assumption that there is no crime involved when someone turns up missing from a ship.

I think the most outrageous story is the one where the woman was on the Alaskan cruise by herself and failed to show up in her stateroom for 5 days and her steward kept reporting it and the ship authorities did nothing, put her belongings in storage and didn't contact anyone. Her father was on one of the shows for an interview and said it took him weeks to track down the fact that she had been on the ship, much longer to get her things.

That is just total, total irresponsibility on the part of the cruise line. The woman's father appeared at the congressional hearings about this issue:

"Kendall Carver, an older gentleman in a gray suit, stood quietly with the Smiths. His daughter, 40-year-old Merrian Carver, disappeared last summer with less fanfare.

When his daughter was not on board at the end of a seven-day Alaskan cruise, Royal Caribbean officials put her belongings in storage without any attempt to notify family members, Carver said.

"We didn't realize she was missing," testified Gregory M. Purdy, a director of safety, security and environment with Royal Caribbean. "We regret that we caused this family anguish before figuring this out."

The company fired the supervisor who did not investigate a cabin steward's reports that Merrian Carver had stopped using her room, Purdy said.

Also, as a result of the case, Purdy said Royal Caribbean now tracks passengers at the end of a cruise to ensure that all passengers who got on get off. The company also started an anonymous hotline for employees to call should their concerns not be taken seriously by a supervisor. "

Link to excellent article: http://www.bizjournals.com/industries/travel/tourism/2005/12/19/jacksonville_story1.html?t=printable

Terrible thing to say, but it sounds like if you want to get away with murder, just take your unwanted spouse on a cruise!
 
Morag said:
Friday's show
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"Renowned forensic scientist, Dr. Henry Lee, joins the family of a missing groom as they return to the cruise ship where he was last seen. "Nancy Grace" airs live on Headline News at 8 p.m. and replays at 10 p.m. and 1 a.m. (All times Eastern)"

I just don't see what he's expected to get - they're giving him 2 hours and they've already ripped up the carpet!!!
 
which I don't think has been posted before.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9356611/

Apparently there are hundreds of hidden cameras all over the boat; 97 tapes have been turned over to investigators. And although this article and others imply that the key-card thingies can tell when doors are opened; I think it really means they can tell when the doors are opened from the outside. (I'm pretty certain that you don't have to use them to exit your cabin). So just because the "casino manager" Josh has mentioned entered his cabin at 3:15, it doesn't mean that he didn't open the door from within to let someone in or out. The time when the thump was heard and the time when Jennifer was found sleeping in the corridor are close together. Could she have left her cabin and walked briskly to the place she was found?
 
Nancy Grace transcripts from 1/20

Nancy Grace transcripts from 1/23

LEE: We did conduct different experiments, measurement, study. We did check the cabin, the canopy, and the balcony. We did a couple experiments. However, I`m not going to share with you the detail of the experiment. That`s part of agreement.

We did not have opportunity to examine the carpet and padding. That`s probably yield much more evidence. And of course, we was planned to conduct a mannequin experiment. That wasn`t conducted. So basically, five original experiments I want to do, we was able to achieve three.

~snip~

LEE: I did find something, OK? But I cannot tell you what we found. We did find something. All right.
 
Last night on Rita Cosby it was said that George was drinking Absintheearlier in the night. She had a couple of guys on there giving their views on Absinthe. They had very different opinions on the effects of this stuff. I did some research on it this morning. Check out this link http://www.feeverte.net/ very interesting. A google search will turn up tons of hits on Absinthe.
 
Shadow205 said:
Last night on Rita Cosby it was said that George was drinking Absintheearlier in the night. She had a couple of guys on there giving their views on Absinthe. They had very different opinions on the effects of this stuff. I did some research on it this morning. Check out this link http://www.feeverte.net/ very interesting. A google search will turn up tons of hits on Absinthe.
In the movies they make it look like absinthe is a halucinogen. From what I read it is just extremely strong alcoholic drink. Is that my misconception? I do not understand why anyone would want to go from sober to drunk, instead of sober to a light buzz. Being drunk isn't fun, it is usually the buzzed feeling people want.
 
Hollow said:
From your link,

Forensic Expert: 'I Found Something' On Ship Where Newlywed Vanished


Cool. Also it goes on to say Lee was denied letting a mannequin fall over the railing. I wonder why? What would it hurt? Are they afraid someone would take photos and they would get bad publicity? Reminds me of the way they hush up accidents at Disney.
 
Shadow205 said:
Very interesting site http://www.cruisebruise.com/index.html
This site lists deaths at sea, missing at sea, drug busts at sea and a lot more insight to the "other side" of the cruise world.

Shadow, thanks for posting that link. One of my friends is going on a cruise with her husband in February and I have forwarded the link to her. I've been trying to talk her out of going, but she's so hard-headed...LOL..just like me! Anyways, they go on a cruise every year, nothing has happened, so she thinks nothing will.

I am curious to find out what Mr. Henry Wee found. Wonder how long it will take before it is leaked?
 
Did anyone happen to catch Larry King tonight??? I was flipping channels, and he was talking about this case. They talked about finding something, but I only caught the tale end. Anyone!!!!
 
Becba said:
From your link,

Forensic Expert: 'I Found Something' On Ship Where Newlywed Vanished


Cool. Also it goes on to say Lee was denied letting a mannequin fall over the railing. I wonder why? What would it hurt? Are they afraid someone would take photos and they would get bad publicity? Reminds me of the way they hush up accidents at Disney.

On LKL last night a guest said that they did not allow the mannequin experiment because there were just too many people around (5000 or so) to conduct it without drawing gawkers. They did say they could conduct experiments on a similar ship that was dry docked in The Bahamas.
 
Hi,

Someone just posted a thread asking where this case is located. It is confusing because it has not yet been determined if a crime has been committed. This was one of the major points on the case last night. The only thing that has been determined is that George did not die of natural causes. Whether it is a crime or an accident still has to be determined by the criminologists by piecing the crime together.

I must comment on last nights LKL show. It was very interesting with lots of info coming out in the case, and Larry was so well organized in his questions, flipping from one to the other with planned questions to each that followed a planned thought process.

The one think I just hated was Geragross and the lady prosecutor sitting by him {she has worked with the FBI alot}. She mentioned they had tried to get a certain kind of drink before the show. Obviously they had a few! Mark was soooo relaxed, even down to his facial muscles, and she was completely giddy, with hands and eyes consistantly on Mark, fawning on him major . Absolutely sickening. You know where those two went after the show! Totally unprofessional I think to be on a live talk show like this while feeling a buzz.


Scandi
 
I just don't understand WHY they haven't found out who was in the room with
the groom. Since there were apparently at least one or two men in the cabin with him, have they determined who they were?

And if so, have they been interviewed and polygraphed??
 
Greta's talking about bloody fingerprints on the sheet, blood in the bathroom and I think on some tissues, and maybe a towel. I wonder what's going to come out of this.
 
Beyond Belief said:
Greta's talking about bloody fingerprints on the sheet, blood in the bathroom and I think on some tissues, and maybe a towel. I wonder what's going to come out of this.
Wow there was. Then why didn't Jennifer the wife, see the blood on the morning before she went to the spa? She was taken back to her room by ship employees in the middle of the night, right? So she would have seen blood. Something is fishy if this is the case. Can't wait to find out more info.
 

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