TURKEY - George Smith, 26, missing from cruise ship, July 2005

[Jeana (DP)]

Sorry, I was mainly trying to establish the reason for Jennifer's anger. This anger had to be building up over some period of time. I do not believe her state of intoxication would cause her to kick him and openly flirt.

By the way, what is a PM.

Its a private message. Look at the top right hand side of your screen and you should see it. Didn't mean to yell at you, but got frustrated.

Now, back to topic. Unless you know Jennifer, how can you be so sure? Sounds to me like they were both drinking too much. After all, she passed out in the corridor, did she not? How can that be appropriate? Why didn't she go back to the room with him? Maybe if she had been there as well, none of this would have happened.

 

[nanandjim]

I did not for one minute think this was suicide. He fell backward off the railing because he was very intoxicated and lost his balance. This is very easy to do. To say he was stabbed in the heart is ridiculous. If true, there would be large amounts of blood in the room and on the balcony and less blood on the canopy. George fell on his head and sustained a scalp laceration. Scalp lacerations bleed profusely.

I don't buy into your theory. However, you have a right to it.

 

[Iwillgo]

Its a private message. Look at the top right hand side of your screen and you should see it. Didn't mean to yell at you, but got frustrated.

Now, back to topic. Unless you know Jennifer, how can you be so sure? Sounds to me like they were both drinking too much. After all, she passed out in the corridor, did she not? How can that be appropriate? Why didn't she go back to the room with him? Maybe if she had been there as well, none of this would have happened.

I agree that if she had gone back to her room, none of this would have happened. I also do not believe that she was so drunk that she could not find her way to their room. I believe she went to the other side of the ship because she did not want to face George so soon after kicking him in the genitals. Remember, after kicking him she stormed out of the disco and down the elevator to the their floor according to reports. She probably thought that George would soon follow her. She apparently layed down in the corridor and fell asleep.

When she was returned to her room by ship personnel at 4:47 AM , she had no way of knowing that George had already gone overboard. She thought he was still out partying with his friends. She probably did not sleep very well if at all, thinking about George's where-abouts and her kicking him. When 8:00 AM rolled around and he had still not returned to the room, she being still in an angry mood, decided to go to the spa in the same clothes she wore the night before to show George that she could stay out all night too.

 

[nanandjim]

I agree that if she had gone back to her room, none of this would have happened. I also do not believe that she was so drunk that she could not find her way to their room. I believe she went to the other side of the ship because she did not want to face George so soon after kicking him in the genitals. Remember, after kicking him she stormed out of the disco and down the elevator to the their floor according to reports. She probably thought that George would soon follow her. She apparently layed down in the corridor and fell asleep.

When she was returned to her room by ship personnel at 4:47 AM , she had no way of knowing that George had already gone overboard. She thought he was still out partying with his friends. She probably did not sleep very well if at all, thinking about George's where-abouts and her kicking him. When 8:00 AM rolled around and he had still not returned to the room, she being still in an angry mood, decided to go to the spa in the same clothes she wore the night before to show George that she could stay out all night too.

I think that Jennifer was drunk and/or drugged. When people get that drunk, they have no idea what they have done. I believe her when she says that she doesn't remember (much). However, I don't know why she would chastise or ridicule those who claim to have seen her actions that night. IMO, they have no reason to lie.

 

[BrendaStar]

She probably did not sleep very well if at all, thinking about George's where-abouts and her kicking him. When 8:00 AM rolled around and he had still not returned to the room, she being still in an angry mood, decided to go to the spa in the same clothes she wore the night before to show George that she could stay out all night too.

I don't buy into this. How do you know that she didn't sleep that couple of hours? She was use to George spending the whole night out anyways, so I doubt if she was worried about where he was or did she care. Amazing that she kept the spa treatment after all of that.

 

[Iwillgo]

I don't buy into this. How do you know that she didn't sleep that couple of hours? She was use to George spending the whole night out anyways, so I doubt if she was worried about where he was or did she care. Amazing that she kept the spa treatment after all of that.

The reason Jennifer was able to keep the spa appointment was exactly because she was unable to sleep. Remember, she arrived at the appointment 1 and 1/2 hours early. She was worried about George's where-abouts and her behavior. Why do you think this woman was some kind of monster without feeling? If she had been extremely intoxicated or drugged, then she would not have been able to keep the appointment. When ship personnel woke her up in the corridor, she was fully conversant and alert, otherwise they would have taken her to the infirmary.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

The reason Jennifer was able to keep the spa appointment was exactly because she was unable to sleep. Remember, she arrived at the appointment 1 and 1/2 hours early. She was worried about George's where-abouts and her behavior. Why do you think this woman was some kind of monster without feeling? If she had been extremely intoxicated or drugged, then she would not have been able to keep the appointment. When ship personnel woke her up in the corridor, she was fully conversant and alert, otherwise they would have taken her to the infirmary.

I disagree. If you're not stoned out of your mind, you don't sleep on a hard, cold floor. If she was in any condition to make it to her bed, she would have done so, in my opinion. It just makes absolutely zero sense that she was "alert" enough to have her wits about her, yet stay on that floor in the corridor.

I'm not saying she had anything to do with his death, but she was stoned enough to not remember, so she had to have been pretty drunk or something.

 

[fundiva]

Can someone update me on the case? I've read back to page 9 but can't find any info about this case being closed. Is it closed to further investigation now that the cruise line has settled with Jennifer? Did authorities say that it was either an accident or a suicide and quit investigating for a possible crime?

The settlement would be for the civil case filed by the family against the cruise lines. Any criminal investigations are separate and have nothing to do with monetary settlements but with criminal punishments, like prison.

I think Jennifer settled because she didn't want to get into the long term lawsuit. George's sister said she had told them she never wanted to be deposed. Makes you wonder what she could be hiding. It would be in the discovery process of the civil case that the cruise lines would have been deposed, as well as any of the employees, witnesses and family members, and the cruise line would have had to turn over any and all information, including documents, that they had on the case. The only exceptions would have been work product by the attorneys or they would have had to go to a judge to get an order to not turn over certain items. So I don't know why Jennifer had to settle to get information from the cruise lines in a settlement. All of the information would have came out in the lawsuit discovery process.

 

[nanandjim]

The reason Jennifer was able to keep the spa appointment was exactly because she was unable to sleep. Remember, she arrived at the appointment 1 and 1/2 hours early. She was worried about George's where-abouts and her behavior. Why do you think this woman was some kind of monster without feeling? If she had been extremely intoxicated or drugged, then she would not have been able to keep the appointment. When ship personnel woke her up in the corridor, she was fully conversant and alert, otherwise they would have taken her to the infirmary.

I wouldn't say that she was "fully alert." The cruise personnel asked her if she was okay, and she said that she was. IMO, she was would not been able to play a game of raquetball that morning. However, I see no problem with someone who has been out all night having a problem lying horizontal on a table to get a massage versus lying horizontal in bed.

She said that she wasn't concerned about George and thought that he had spent the night in another couple's room as he had done on previous nights.

It all sounds very weird to me, especially on one's honeymoon.

 

[Iwillgo]

I wouldn't say that she was "fully alert." The cruise personnel asked her if she was okay, and she said that she was. IMO, she was would not been able to play a game of raquetball that morning. However, I see no problem with someone who has been out all night having a problem lying horizontal on a table to get a massage versus lying horizontal in bed.

She said that she wasn't concerned about George and thought that he had spent the night in another couple's room as he had done on previous nights.

It all sounds very weird to me, especially on one's honeymoon.

I'm sure that Jennifer was not concerned about George's well-being. At this point she could not have imagined that he had gone overboard and was dead. If she believed he was staying in someone else's room, how could she not be concerned about this behavior. After all, they had just had a normal and loving wedding according to reports. They were on their honeymoon.

 

[kato]

Saw on O'Reilly last night that the Smith family has hired John Q. Kelly. Man, Kelly and Tacopina sure are busy bees these days.

 

[Jodibug]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,241526,00.html


Estate to recieve $1million

 

[czechmate7]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,241526,00.html


Estate to recieve $1million

Interesting...wonder who will get the funds in the estate? Aren't the widow and family estranged?

 

[Jodibug]

The article describes who gets what. Basically, the widow will get 75% and the parents will get 25%.

 

[czechmate7]

The article describes who gets what. Basically, the widow will get 75% and the parents will get 25%.

Thanks!! Didn't see the rest of the article after the advertisment!!

 

[michelle]

Interesting...wonder who will get the funds in the estate? Aren't the widow and family estranged?

Inside Edition just reported that Jennifer is the one who will get it all, she plans on setting up a fund with 50,000 in it in his name.

 

[czechmate7]

Inside Edition just reported that Jennifer is the one who will get it all, she plans on setting up a fund with 50,000 in it in his name.

I wonder why the news article stated she would get 75% and $25k to the fund (w/the cruise line matching it)??
Did IE say anything about the relationship between the wife and family?

 

[michelle]

I wonder why the news article stated she would get 75% and $25k to the fund (w/the cruise line matching it)??
Did IE say anything about the relationship between the wife and family?

The family seems to think she is hiding something, they also said that taking this money and then the reports of the investigation and not sharing it with them says alot about her character. I got the feeling they are NOT happy and they think she is hiding something. It was very sad. I feel bad for the family.

 

[Bobbisangel]

The family seems to think she is hiding something, they also said that taking this money and then the reports of the investigation and not sharing it with them says a lot about her character. I got the feeling they are NOT happy and they think she is hiding something. It was very sad. I feel bad for the family.

Is the cruise line just now paying the money from the suit that was filed in June or July? I thought that had been settled and was over and done with.

I don't have a problem with Jennifer getting the money and 25% of it going into some fund. I have a problem with her having all of the info from the investigation and signing a paper stating that she would not allow George's parents to see the paperwork. No matter how she may feel about his parents or them about her this whole thing is about George and what happened to him. His parents deserve to know what LE and the FBI, etc knew. I think it is just cruel not to let them read the paperwork. Why would she even agree to such a thing? I would think she is hiding something too if I were the Smiths.
From the beginning she has refused to answer their questions. That is just bizarre to me. If I were the Smiths I would wonder just what kind of a person it is that my son married. Maybe they never really knew her after all and maybe George didn't really know her either.

 

[Peter Hamilton]

I agree that she is hiding something--did she ever take a lie-detector test?