GUILTY Turkey - Sarai Sierra, 33, NY woman murdered, Istanbul, 21 Jan 2013 - #2

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  • #261
I'm not sure if you are referring to me, but my point was that if there was an issue with school (at this point, likely with her bill) than she would be de-registered if not taken care of in person by a certain date. I know it sounds silly or trivial but it is not like you can waltz over there and say I want to register for such and such class at this time and call it a day. There are only so many slots in a class. Being de-registered is awful. It is almost impossible to get those classes back and usually all of your classes are strategically picked due to schedule. It could delay graduation by a semester or full year if it is a class since the classes you take are normally prerequisites to the next ones.

I also stated that I think she just wanted to come home and this was an easy reason to justify it. 3 weeks away, especially alone, is a long time. I thought I read that she hadn't been out of the country. Maybe she was just done.

I personally don't think why she was cutting short is relevant to her murder. It is completely irrelevant if this was random. If it was not, I don't think the end would have been different, except perhaps delayed a few days. If she said no on the 21st., she wasn't going to say yes on the 22nd.

If she was frightened in some way and decided to come, she wouldn't have made plans with the person she was afraid of.

No, I was referring to Cmac2 post in the other thread noting why she did not think she went back solely to deal w registration. She analyzed the dates and since school did not start it did not seem necessary.

That said, if it was for financial aid rather than registration, perhaps you would have to go in person. However, most schools you can still register before payment, also, why in person? Why not call up?

In any event her wanting to go back early may or may not matter. I think that maybe she was afraid of Taylan, perhaps he wanted to arrange a side trip somewhere or perhaps he was pressuring her to come to his home (and SS perceived him to have a romantic interest in her).

SS would have met him that day bc she was not afraid that he would kill her. 99.9% of people who you reject romantically will not kill you. She was meeting him in public on a bridge, she probably did not fear him.

Perhaps her leaving early was a way for her to get out of rejecting him outright while at the same time not appearing rude (disappearing out of the city without saying goodbye).

She might have told him on the bridge, hey, I got to go home, have to do something w school. He might have said, oh too bad, well, before you go there is some graffiti you got to see. He might have been real cool about it (at least on the surface). Then she followed him and bc she was unfamiliar w the city she quickly was in a place alone w him. He made his move. She rejected him and he took a rock to kill her.

That said, if he is now saying there was sex, was she raped? Was that place so deserted that he could have raped her there without being heard? I imagine she would have really struggled so it would have been a commotion.. Unless the rape took place elsewhere.

Sometimes,it is easy to let your guard down bc you do not want to appear rude. He might have been really nice to her for 2 weeks, took time off from work maybe. She might have felt uncomfortable but at the same time, maybe she was telling herself that she was overreacting and she let her guard down and went somewhere private

If there is DNA and he is saying affair, maybe there was an affair. I think this scenario is unlikely but maybe she told him that day she was married or she told him about her children... Still I do not buy this bc if affair he would have killed her in his apartment, not in public. I think the police have pretty good evidence she was killed there w a roc

Also, if done at apartment, why not drive outside the city and dump her in some river or in the woods? Why leave her there? Why not conceal body?

He knew it would be found. Timing of disclosure of sex may not matter that much bc he knew the body would be found...and surely if he raped her he had to know there was DNA.
 
  • #262
I didn't mean to make you feel like I was jumping down your throat. So I am sorry.

When you are trying to figure stuff out, you pose questions and analyze the potential answers to see how they line up with the other stuff you've heard or theorized .... As ok I see that, but did you consider this, or how but this.

It was NOT an attack on you. I was just analyzing those scenarios. And some of them I had already consider. I was just sharing my thoughts and analysis on those possibilities.


Thank you for your apology. And if my responses seemed inflammatory as well, I apologize. I am an extremely tonal and animated speaker. So much of my connotation is lost in text.
 
  • #263
Somewhere in these pages a mention was made of LE making a cell phone based search. Did they mean her other/local phone that she left at her hostel? Which begs the question would she have taken her local phone as well?

It's my understanding that in a cell phone based search they will literally pull the records of all the cell phone users in that area and start looking through all the calls that were made on the date in question.

I found it odd- something they wouldn't have even been able to consider doing here in the U.S.

Apparently the Turkish officials had solved more than one murder in the past by using this method.
 
  • #264
Of course I want to work together.

But how am I suppose to analyze potential aspects if I'm now afraid that someone is going to take it personally because it was their thought?

It's all good, folks. Leave ThinkHard alone. It was a misunderstanding. We've discussed it. We've both apologized.

Now, if someone could invent a font and emoticon system with tones and hand gestures for greater communication via text, THAT would be very helpful. :)
:twocents:
 
  • #265
Thank you for your apology. And if my responses seemed inflammatory as well, I apologize. I am an extremely tonal and animated speaker. So much of my connotation is lost in text.

No problem!
We cool?
 
  • #266
It's my understanding that in a cell phone based search they will literally pull the records of all the cell phone users in that area and start looking through all the calls that were made on the date in question.

I found it odd- something they wouldn't have even been able to consider doing here in the U.S.

Apparently the Turkish officials had solved more than one murder in the past by using this method.

The authorities probably have different rules about privacy in Turkey.
 
  • #267
It's all good, folks. Leave ThinkHard alone. It was a misunderstanding. We've discussed it. We've both apologized.

Now, if someone could invent a font and emoticon system with tones and hand gestures for greater communication via text, THAT would be very helpful. :)
:twocents:

All caps?;)
 
  • #268
It's my understanding that in a cell phone based search they will literally pull the records of all the cell phone users in that area and start looking through all the calls that were made on the date in question.

I found it odd- something they wouldn't have even been able to consider doing here in the U.S.

Apparently the Turkish officials had solved more than one murder in the past by using this method.

Kind of OT, but I envision '24' and someone at CTU watching a screen with data fly across it as it detects a pattern from one single number going to the different places, same as where SS was... :online:
 
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Turkish LE said they have that footage. They mentioned many times so I guess its true.

Very good! I expect we will hear about it soon.

Thanks for keeping us informed!
 
  • #272
It appears that many have chosen to romanticize Sarai Sierra in the extreme, and in doing so have lost all objectivity.

Suddenly the NY Post, which is #6 of the top 50 newspapers in the USA, is now the bad guy. Talk about kill the messenger! Whether the Post sensationalizes their headlines or not, is not the issue here -- and like it or not, the NY Post is one of the best newspapers in the country. It's best to stay focused on the facts and stop focusing anger at a newspaper.

There has always been something VERY off about Sarai Sierra's story. It never made sense -- and it's clear that she always had an agenda that had little to nothing to do with just her first trip traveling on her own abroad.

It's neon-glaringly obvious that this women had secrets -- and that the true intent of her trip was being camouflaged and cloaked in this silly story of picture-taking nonsense.

The different theories being postulated are all worthy of deep analysis by law enforcement. No one knows the truth at this point in time -- but it is obvious that this is NOT just some sweet mom on a photo-journey.

Moms of young children do not just take off for Turkey alone for 3 weeks. People who are financially modest at best, do not take 3 weeks trips to Turkey. Happily married women do not travel alone to Turkey for 3 weeks. This has been the red flag from day one.

And her side trips are interesting to say the least.

Her online "friendships" are interesting to say the least.

Her judgement in general is interesting to say the least.

Unlike those who've become remarkably infatuated with their self-created sainted Sarai Sierra fantasy figure ... it just does not ring true. Her choices, decisions, actions and ultimate tragic fate bespeak quite a different reality.

I sadly think that when the truth is discovered a much darker version of SS will be revealed.



http://www.onlinenewspapers.com/Top50/Top50-CurrentUS.htm

Thank You! Excelent post!
 
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Her wanting to come home early also speaks to the drug mule theory. While I think that is highly unlikely, and I do not believe she was a drug mule, IF she were a novice drug mule, and she had just transported drugs from Amsterdam, she could have been freaking out she would get caught. Especially if it was something she was pressured to do.

I know if I did something illegal in a foreign country, I certainly would want to get out as soon as possible. And she did leave as soon as she got back

Perhaps she suspected she transported drugs. For instance maybe someone gave her a package to transport, she did not know what was in the package but she suspected and wanted to leave before getting more involved.

Her leaving early may not matter. But it just seems there is a reason she would have spent so much money to change her plane tickets just to come home 4 days early. If it was free to change, yeah, I could see it being no big thing. But w the change fee being so much, there had to be some reason she wanted to come home.. I personally think it could have been she was uncomfortable w the Taylan situation
 
  • #275
Does anyone know why Sarai chose the dead of Winter to take her dream of a lifetime trip?
 
  • #276
We are like ice cream in Norway, Thinky!

Hugs!!! Are you in Norway? My favorite country and the country of my dreams. Admittingly, I never had a chance to visit.

Love you, friend.
 
  • #277
I kind of think we won't hear much about her gmail account except through rumors in the paper. The LE seem to be quite tight-lipped as of late.
 
  • #278
I kind of think we won't hear much about her gmail account except through rumors in the paper. The LE seem to be quite tight-lipped as of late.

Yes, I agree with you. I think that the government(s) know by now what was in the g-mails. I wish they would share it but I am afraid they will not do it soon.
 
  • #279
Does anyone know why Sarai chose the dead of Winter to take her dream of a lifetime trip?

Fares are cheap. I saw a $393 round trip fare to Istanbul in Feb last week. Kind of upsetting as I'm paying about 800 dollars for mine.
 
  • #280
Few months ago I was showing around to a friend in Istanbul. It was very embarrassing when I couldn't tell which is which.

Except Hagia Sofia, it is church converted to a mosque (i think it is called museum now). And as ThinkHard mentioned it has a very unique architecture.

When I said I couldn't tell. I meant I couldn't tell which one of SS's 3 mosque photos are which mosques. One shot during mid-day over the Bosphorus (in fact over the golden horn) is Süleymaniye. The one with behind the snowy park could again be Süleymaniye. You only see two minarets, but Süleymaniye has 4 minaret, yet they are further apart. Perhaps she shot from an angle where she could capture only two. And the Istanbul style sunset, again Süleymaniye. They are all Süleymaniye. I believe.
 
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