GUILTY Turkey - Sarai Sierra, 33, NY woman murdered, Istanbul, 21 Jan 2013 - #2

[Yashim]

But seriously, maybe a cop was involved in the murder. We get those kinds of stories here. Maybe they wanted to cover the story up, but when FBI took step in it and when it became such a popular coverage in the media, now they don't know what to do.

When I heard the first time that she was hit heavily in the head, I don't know why but I said maybe a cop did that? Maybe it's because when I watch them beating the university students to hell with so much hatred, I do not understand where that deep of a hatred stems from.

If a cop was involved, there would be either much less evidence to follow or stronger to frame a druggie. But that happens in the movies.

 

[bet2173]

That's why I keep bringing up the teen druggie scenario.

Of course, I am not, but there is a member that I suspect to be connected to the case.

And another one whom I believe is an FBI.

Yet three more who may in fact be the same person - asking and answering each other's questions.

I'm literally stopping myself not to go over the last 100 pages of the previous thread to find out who is answering each other's questions!

 

[lavy]

*if* and I stress *if* she did get involved physically with T. or anyone else, perhaps she regretted it. Perhaps that's why she wanted to go home early.

Wish we knew when she changed her ticket. One source said (i think the one with the timeline) 8th but doesn't make sense. That's the day she arrived.

However I truly believe there was reason (other than the school) to change the ticket.

Of course, I am not, but there is a member that I suspect to be connected to the case.

And another one whom I believe is an FBI.

Yet three more who may in fact be the same person - asking and answering each other's questions.

No we are all the same person.

 

[CMac2]

I think that could be close to the truth and the reason why she cut her trip short. She may have found herself in over her head with something she wished not to be a part of any longer.

Might also explain the ridiculous statements that have been leaked to the press. Maybe someone in LE is trying to throw the perps off- making them think officials are leaning more towards a personal motive when really, they've been investigating the drug angle all along.

 

[tardislass]

Just curious about Turkish law- If someone is eventually arrested is the trial same as in the US.


Is there a jury, a judge and lawyers for both sides in court cases. I know some countries have more than one judge presiding.

 

[CMac2]

You're wrong, plain and simple.

A quick google of the hundreds of travel blogs for solo female travelers (plenty hosted by young mothers who travel alone) will tell you as much. If you don't want to believe it that's fine, but continuing to post incorrect information doesn't help a thing.

The evidence doesn't fit the way you want the world to be, I get that, but the world remains real despite your own preferences.

Solo female travelers are common. There are blogs, published books, facebook groups and websites that are all in agreement with this.

Simple fact.

Oh for the love of all things holy!! THIS again?! Just stop. Not everyone agrees with each other. It happens. Please and thank you.

 

[Yashim]

Yeah that was not the markings of a mafia hit. Too sloppy, too much evidence.

And really, I don't think Taylan has anything to do with her death, as much as I'd like to have been right. He may be a rich douchebag(overseas studies, lawyer), but if the police don't have any evidence on him(and unless he's a spy or a high political figure-I would have expected the FBI to say something in a cover-up).

And as far as photographing something she should/top-secret buildings, I doubt the Turkish government would be so inept as to kill her(being an American) in so sloppy a fashion.

However, it's interesting that the police haven't said if she had a wallet or money. We've heard about the iPhone/iPad being stolen but what about her purse? I'm sure her husband or someone would know what kind of wallet she uses.

When cops believe such personal items might have transferred to third parties, they may not want to alert them to get rid of the items. Maybe that's why there was not much mention of it.

 

[lavy]

However, it's interesting that the police haven't said if she had a wallet or money. We've heard about the iPhone/iPad being stolen but what about her purse? I'm sure her husband or someone would know what kind of wallet she uses.

Very interesting. I always assumed she had her wallet as she had the driving licence, I carry it in my purse. And assumed it was not there as the bag is not there. See I am even conflicting with myself.:waitasec:

 

[bet2173]

If a cop was involved, there would be either much less evidence to follow or stronger to frame a druggie. But that happens in the movies.

But we are close to framing a druggie right, especially after the not matching DNA samples. And we dont know the real evidence they have in their hands and the ones that the media keep changing everyday do really match or not.

 

[tardislass]

Might also explain the ridiculous statements that have been leaked to the press. Maybe someone in LE is trying to throw the perps off- making them think officials are leaning more towards a personal motive when really, they've been investigating the drug angle all along.

I think there's been a lot of misdirection from LE, perhaps not the top people investigating but someone in the group. Why else would there be such diversion about the same story on the same day? And if the press comes back, LE can always say they never said that.

 

[CMac2]

That's why I keep bringing up the teen druggie scenario.

Of course, I am not, but there is a member that I suspect to be connected to the case.

And another one whom I believe is an FBI.

Yet three more who may in fact be the same person - asking and answering each other's questions.

Yashim, I know you believe me to be the brilliant FBI agent, but I'm not. Sadly, I could not pass the background check.

 

[bet2173]

I think there's been a lot of misdirection from LE, perhaps not the top people investigating but someone in the group. Why else would there be such diversion about the same story on the same day? And if the press comes back, LE can always say they never said that.

Maybe because there is a cop involved? (Sorry, I'm joking with my own thoery now)

 

[tardislass]

Very interesting. I always assumed she had her wallet as she had the driving licence, I carry it in my purse. And assumed it was not there as the bag is not there. See I am even conflicting with myself.:waitasec:

From what LE or more likely, the press has said that her drivers license was found near her body. They never said her wallet. So I thought maybe they'd taken her wallet and any credit cards and cash and left the incriminating ID with the body. But there was never any indication she had credit cards either-that would be easy to trace. Hmm.

 

[lavy]

Just curious about Turkish law- If someone is eventually arrested is the trial same as in the US.


Is there a jury, a judge and lawyers for both sides in court cases. I know some countries have more than one judge presiding.

There is no jury. I think American's are very unique on that (and maybe Canadians? )

There is a judge and both sides have lawyers.

I should have left this question to Yashem, he is the police

 

[citizenofworld]

I'm starting to think it's a gang of glue sniffers or poor teenagers with too much time on their hands. Even one man bigger than Sarai (with a pipe, or piece of wood).

They didn't take the jewelry - maybe too embarrassed in case a metal dealer in the grand bazaar would ask them where they got it if they are poor fellows?

I think there'd be an easy and quick market for the cell phone & iPad since electronics are so expensive in Turkey. (They say her purse was taken, but her i.d. was with the body - that means someone felt guilty, and wanted people to know who she was when they found her).

Muggings are on the rise in Turkey; I know a very big man who recently had a knife put to his throat outside a grocery store in Osmaniye (they left him). The man took his wallet and watch...another big man I know was walking through a big park near Nisantasi while still light out and a homeless man was about to pull a knife on him until he turned around. Heard of a near mugging of a foreign girl in broad daylight in a poor neighborhood in Istanbul.

So what if tough Staten Islander Sarai put up a fight or started screaming?

I think Istanbul is just suffering from the crime that comes along from being a much bigger city than it was 30, 20, even 10 years ago...thoughts?

 

[Yashim]

*if* and I stress *if* she did get involved physically with T. or anyone else, perhaps she regretted it. Perhaps that's why she wanted to go home early.

Why would any woman regret getting involved physically with a Turkish man? That doesn't make much sense, ie IMBYHO

 

[bet2173]

Wish we knew when she changed her ticket. One source said (i think the one with the timeline) 8th but doesn't make sense. That's the day she arrived.

The airlines must have that info. And also do we know if she travelled to Munich by herself or with someone? And do we have an exact date on her departure from the States?

 

[bet2173]

Why would any woman regret getting involved physically with a Turkish man? That doesn't make much sense, ie IMBYHO

Because Taylan has a very possesive wife?

 

[necco]

Why would any woman regret getting involved physically with a Turkish man? That doesn't make much sense, ie IMBYHO

Yashim, because she was married. And because not everyone can handle the love of a good Turk.

(I assume you were joking.)

 

[CMac2]

I'm starting to think it's a gang of glue sniffers or poor teenagers with too much time on their hands. Even one man bigger than Sarai (with a pipe, or piece of wood).

They didn't take the jewelry - maybe too embarrassed in case a metal dealer in the grand bazaar would ask them where they got it if they are poor fellows?

I think there'd be an easy and quick market for the cell phone & iPad since electronics are so expensive in Turkey. (They say her purse was taken, but her i.d. was with the body - that means someone felt guilty, and wanted people to know who she was when they found her).

Muggings are on the rise in Turkey; I know a very big man who recently had a knife put to his throat outside a grocery store in Osmaniye (they left him). The man took his wallet and watch...another big man I know was walking through a big park near Nisantasi while still light out and a homeless man was about to pull a knife on him until he turned around. Heard of a near mugging of a foreign girl in broad daylight in a poor neighborhood in Istanbul.

So what if tough Staten Islander Sarai put up a fight or started screaming?

I think Istanbul is just suffering from the crime that comes along from being a much bigger city than it was 30, 20, even 10 years ago...thoughts?

What you said about the jewelry made me wonder about the electronics. Forgive me if this is a ridiculous question (I'm an Android girl- no Apple experience whatsoever), but do iPad users have to register their devices? I mean if you have an iPad and I decide to steal it, once I do a factory reset, can I use it freely without fear of anyone finding out I have it? Or is there a registration process involving, say, a serial number that would make that risky on my part? If it is impossible to trace the devices back to whoever stole them, you might be on to something. If they can be traced somehow, I'd say the only reason they were stolen was to destroy the devices and delete incriminating data.