GUILTY Turkey - Sarai Sierra, 33, NY woman murdered, Istanbul, 21 Jan 2013 - #2

[NewYork625]

Yes!! Come on over to the dark side!! We have cookies here!

:floorlaugh:

 

[necco]

The NY Times article mentions they were separated as of 2005, but said nothing of what happened after that.

A few days ago the Turkish press said something about she and her husband having problems @6 months ago and her moving in with her mom around that time.

And then you have the way the husband conducted himself once she vanished.

I would say their relationship status as of the moment SS took off for Istanbul is about as clear as mud to me.

Even if they were thinking about divorce, if it was amicable, if they had just grown apart they could still be best friends. They grew up together. She is the mother of his children. Relationships evolve. People evolve. His heartbreak would likely be just as real if they were still hot and heavy than if they had decided that they loved each other deeply and profoundly but were not longer in love.

 

[tardislass]

THERE! That's the story that just seems odd to me. Unless it was a street vendor or someone like that - and she met the man in the same location, not a different one. Otherwise... how does that happen?!? The whole witness thing?

Perhaps it was another tout and they met in the same place both times.

 

[KuriousKev]

I'm reading all of this sex talk and thinking about Sarai and Tarkan. I do believe they had sex - I believe his claims. If he knew he was innocent, he really had no reason to divulge that information other than LE probably asked him the nature of their relationship. And he told the truth, IMO.

My guess on their relationship: they had been somewhat 'flirting' online, commenting on pictures, etc. Who knows what their private e-mails and iMessages and Facetime (and the like) said. I'm going out on a limb and saying that the sexual pressure/interest from both sides was rising. By the time she got there, they were willing to have sex anywhere at that point. But then I think after the initial sexual encounter (or two or three), the novelty wore off, and she didn't find him as interesting. She had gotten it out of her system. The same may be true for him, but I think *she* was the one taking this huge trip, trying to branch out, 'take a break', feeling that '7-year-itch', etc. I don't think their tryst was as much of a life-changing experience for Tarkan as for Sarai, considering he is reportedly a single male and she had been married to a guy she had been with since they were teens. I believe I read that she will be buried on the 15th anniversary of her husband's marriage proposal to her. They've been together awhile. So I believe Tarkan's lawyer when he says there was no emotional investment in the relationship - probably not from either side but especially not Tarkan. I do not think that makes him a jerk. It's just probably his lifestyle as a bachelor. In other words, I don't think he had enough feelings to have a reason to murder Sarai. No anger, no rage.

I'm backing off of Tarkan. I believe whoever murdered Sarai was someone she was acquainted with, either online before arriving or someone she had met previously while there - or a contact of one of those acquaintances. It could be anyone from a fellow IG'er, to the landlord, to the carpet guy.

As for Ammar, he seems like a sweet guy. He actually wore a tiger outfit to the airport to meet her, his 'tigress'. I'm on the fence about their relationship being platonic or not. I think the underlying reason for Sarai's trip was to 'find' herself, to spread her wings, to experience a part of life that she never got to experience and felt may be slipping away from her as she aged further into her 30s.

I think photography may have been a part of her reason but I think it was more of a cover-up to her family and maybe even her friends.

Whew. Hope this makes sense.

How are you able to get inside my head and read my thoughts??

 

[Darkman00]

No more new news should be coming out of Turkey tonight .. as they are ahead of N. America . more likely 7 or 8 hours (or so) ..

They are sleeping in Turkey currently...

.. and we can't bring the murdered woman back unfortunately .. all we can do .. is try and prevent this happening to us and / or our loved ones...

 

[ThinkHard]

But my impression was that she "researched" about how to travel there safely.

Not about the historical and cultural life of the city.

If she traveled there to take cool photos, and possibly pursue light flirtations, that can help us understand the mindspace she was in, and may help us grasp her frame of mind on the 21st.

Maybe it all seemed like such a fairy-tale stage set to her that she really had a hard time grasping danger until it was too late?

Or maybe not. It's at least possible?

But who would travel 6000 miles on a once in a lifetime trip and not even want to know if there were not to be missed things there?

I believe I even saw or read where her husband explained why Istanbul and one of the reasons he gave was that she loved history...

Don't u think that's odd then, if she doesn't know the difference btw Hagia Sophia and a mosque...Hagia Sophia looks nothing nothing like any mosque in Istanbul

 

[lavy]

No more new news should be coming out of Turkey tonight .. as they are ahead of N. America . more likely 7 or 8 hours (or so) ..

They are sleeping in Turkey currently...

.. and we can't bring the murdered woman back unfortunately .. all we can do .. is try and prevent this happening to us and / or our loved ones...

Trust me, last few days this didn't stop them. They were "attacking" us with their speculations any time.

 

[NewYork625]

Was it reported that she was on surveillance walking along the road by the walls, and that was how they found her, or was it the woman who reported seeing something being taken from a car with a hand? If it was surveillance and she was seen walking near the walls, where might she have been killed if not in the area she was found?

 

[Darkman00]

We don't know what kind of relationship the woman and her husband had...

Maybe what he says, should not be taken at full par.

 

[ThinkHard]

LE says she noticed the historical door and crossed the road to take pictures.

I think they assumed she saw that door and that's why she crossed the road, but since they lost her when crossing the road, they'd actually have no clue what her motivation was. I believed they just assumed that because the door was in he same vicinity as where she crossed, not because the camera could actually see her approaching the door. At least that how I took it.

 

[KuriousKev]

First rule of online romances, always have a secret email address. Heck, she might even have a secret facebook profile or instagram account. I know plenty of people who do.

EXACTLY. I seriously doubt her husband knew EVERYTHING and had all of her social media logins. Not buying it.

 

[Rolandred]

:floorlaugh:
I doubt a registered brothel would appreciate a client bringing in a girl that he didn't have to pay for, I'm pretty sure that would be NOT be their ideal business model.

I did not say he brought her to a registered brothel - I said a brothel/bar - (putibar)-a place where there are not necessarily only prostitutes - but other "normal" persons as well. My point was that being intimate in a bathroom is low class and this guy "from a good family" brought an innocent abroad to a place where this could happen - it speaks volumes about his character and hers too ...
It's a seedy low class thing to do and opens up to all kinds of contact with shady characters - scams - blackmail...this happens.

 

[ThinkHard]

LOL...well, I wasn't trying to suggest you'll find a lot of gay men in tiger suits!

The point is, my opinion is no straight guy is going to go through all that effort for a strange woman staying at his place unless he's at least contemplative of some "tiger" on "tigress" activities later on. "I'm your tiger"? "You're my tigress"? I live in hipster central, Brooklyn, USA, and if no hipster couple would put up with that scenario.

The flirting is transparent. If they're both single, of course, no one would care.

Tout what do you live in Bedsty?

 

[NewYork625]

I think they assumed she saw that door and that's why she crossed the road, but since they lost her when crossing the road, they'd actually have no clue what her motivation was. I believed they just assumed that because the door was in he same vicinity as where she crossed, not because the camera could actually see her approaching the door. At least that how I took it.

How far is the door from where she was found?

 

[KuriousKev]

That's why it SUCKS so hard we don't have her iPad. I know NYC chicks, and I would say a couple of things about those who are in relationships but like to play around. First off, their IM's and emails are always going to look as pure as the driven snow. Anything incriminating is immediately deleted. Secondly, they are likely to have alternate IM accounts and email addresses for...ahem...certain folks...

Yep yep. Having been the 'other man' on several occasions I can write a book on the measures women take to hide their dirt from the sig other.

 

[bourne]

Murders per 100,000 people (most recent) by country

Turkey ranked #58 6.9
USA ranked #63 5.9

Turkey ranks higher in number of murders per 100,000 people capita than USA.

*Note: These were stats based in year 2004

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_per_100_peo-murders-per-100-000-people

 

[tardislass]

EXACTLY. I seriously doubt her husband knew EVERYTHING and had all of her social media logins. Not buying it.

Specially if they were separated- no way she'd share that with him.

 

[Darkman00]

Plot thickens in the slaying of Staten Island tourist in Istanbul

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This development comes on the heels of initial reports that a man known as "Taylan," met Ms. Sierra on Jan. 13 by the Galata Tower. Taylan told police that he had sexual intercourse with her. Reports say she developed an "Internet" friendship with the man several months before her trip.

Steven Sierra, Ms. Sierra's husband, told the Advance he was "aware of Taylan," that he was a tour guide for his wife while she was in Turkey.

Read more: http://www.silive.com/news/index.ssf/2013/02/plot_thickens_in_the_slaying_o.html

BBM ......

Ya.. right .. tour guide (?) .. Sure thing, by the looks of it....

Turkey what .. Turkey who....

 

[Rolandred]

EXACTLY. I seriously doubt her husband knew EVERYTHING and had all of her social media logins. Not buying it.

I agree too!

 

[belimom]

Murders per 100,000 people (most recent) by country

Turkey ranked #58 6.9
USA ranked #63 5.9

Turkey ranks higher in number of murders per 100,000 people capita than USA.

*Note: These were stats based in year 2004

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_per_100_peo-murders-per-100-000-people

By one person... That's pretty darn close.

(ETA- I understand statistics - and I understand this is 1 per 100,000. The rate is still only one person off from Turkey.)