GUILTY Turkey - Sarai Sierra, 33, NY woman murdered, Istanbul, 21 Jan 2013 - #2

[CMac2]

Ya know what I just realized.

If we find out that this Taylan story is true, meaning not that it actually happened, but if he actually SAID it happened.....

Then we can conclude at least one of two things is true:

-either there was indeed some sort of mutual feelings between him and Sarai

Or

- he killed her.

If the story is true tha he said it. What good reason would he have to lie about having an affair with her? He's accounting for a reason his DNA is there ONLY because he knows that his DND could be found on her. DNA that could prove at least one of these two things is true. He'd have no reason to lie about about how it happened, and there is only two ways it could have gotten there.
Now he could be lying and he never did have a thing with sarai, but the only reason he would have to lie is to cover his tracks at the crime scene.

If they did have an affair that doesn't prove he killed her though.

Exactly. Which is why I want to know when he told LE he'd had sex with her. Did he say it from the beginning, and MSM is only now finding out about it? Or did he say it once he realized they'd recovered semen/DNA from her body?

If he has said to LE all along that they had sex, it tells me at best, he likely had an affair with her. If he only recently made this claim, therefore changing his story from what it was originally, that tells me that once he learned of the DNA evidence he realized he better quickly come up with an explanation for why his stuff is all over her body. In which case, I believe he definitely killed her.

Of course, to be totally honest, if he had an affair with her, I still think he killed her. LOL.

 

[ThinkHard]

Google imaged @taylloo

There was another pic of what I believe was the same guy, but was clearer more Ike a photograph....it was the second pic in from this one. And today it is down. Weird.

http://www.google.com/[email protected]&biw=1024&bih=672#biv=i|0;d|aUFhyE1hI3dnnM:

 

[Yashim]

How do we know that? Sorry.

Not, quite likely that Taylan lives in Sirkeci. Because not many do. Sirkeci and Eminönü are districts where the daytime population is like 2 million, at night time only a few thousand.

 

[bourne]

With all do respect I have to disagree. I don't think there is anything in this crime that related to stoning at all. In stoning its usually mob mentality and the stones would be thrown at random at the victim. She was bashed repeatedly in the head with the same rock.

Additionally I really don't think anyone she would have been hanging out with, because from what we can tell were close to her age, would really be so aghast at the idea of adultery.

I was using stoning as a figurative symbol for punishing her for something.

As I said, something offended the perp(s) and that's why he/they killed her. We don't know what the motive is yet, so all speculations are on the table.

 

[lavy]

No, but her family can Google. She may have been giving them so much detail because she was using the trip also as a teachable moment for her kids. They could have Googled the places she was going. They might even have been "following" along with her. This would both teach them about geography AND have them feel involved in her trip.

Possible.
And even if not Galata is just the name of the bridge and asia is quite obvious.

It is very sad and horrifying (IMO) that her sons can google everything happened to her. Every single detail, in what state she found. All the speculations about drugs, fbi agent, killed by aliens, etc.
Even these conversations.

My heart goes out to them.

 

[ThinkHard]

Who said he's from Sirkeci?

In my experience with Turkish guys (especially those who are allegedly besotted with you), they would come and pick you up, if not from your home, at least at a more central place. Even more so if you're a foreigner and don't know the area that well and are alone.

Unless he works over that way and got off early.

Yes it does seem a bit strange regarding the photos but like I said, maybe she was a perfectionist and wanted to play with her photos before uploading them all. Or maybe she just didn't take many photos at all.

Yes but I was thinking more along the besotted but a little dicey Turkish guys that say things like ( you break my heart) accept with better game.

 

[CMac2]

Really? That's what you think? :floorlaugh:

Sorry, but that makes zero sense. Sarai's a grown 33-year-old woman in good physical shape. You think she wouldn't be able to at least injure her assailant -- like grab a stone herself and pummel a WEAK 14-year-old druggie?

With all due respect, while I don't believe this is the work of a teen druggie, I don't know that we have any information telling us she DIDN'T injure her assailant.

Not directed to anyone in particular (bourne, you just happen to be the lucky person I piggy-backed off of), but can we at least be respectful of everyone's contributions?

It's hard to feel welcome sharing ideas when people either outright laugh at your theories, or become entirely hostile about them. As someone just stated a few minutes ago- we all represent a lot of countries in this thread, and all have different personal/cultural experiences and yes, even biases.

99% of the time our diversity has helped us wind our way through this case and has been an awesome thing. On occasion, however, it's gotten a little mean spirited. We shouldn't attack or make fun of the victim (as was previously discussed) OR each other.

 

[Yashim]

Exactly. Which is why I want to know when he told LE he'd had sex with her. Did he say it from the beginning, and MSM is only now finding out about it? Or did he say it once he realized they'd recovered semen/DNA from her body?

If he has said to LE all along that they had sex, it tells me at best, he likely had an affair with her. If he only recently made this claim, therefore changing his story from what it was originally, that tells me that once he learned of the DNA evidence he realized he better quickly come up with an explanation for why his stuff is all over her body. In which case, I believe he definitely killed her.

Of course, to be totally honest, if he had an affair with her, I still think he killed her. LOL.

We just don't know for sure if he really told the LE that they had sex. Even if he did, maybe he also told them the first time they met at the Starbucks. But LE just didn't reveal this not to destroy a marriage. Since they didn't know SS was dead then.

 

[ThinkHard]

How do we know that? Sorry.

I can't remember I believe it came out in some of the news articles when it came out that's she was last spotted at 1:15 in serkeci. I can't say how true it is as I can't remember the source so that may be speculation, but I def read it somewhere.

 

[KivaSupporter]

I don't think drug mule scenario makes sense. I used to think she even went there to collect her share. But not now. For example, how much's a kg. of cocain anyway? $30K or $40K? What would be her cut? %10? Is $4K really worth it?

With all due respect, and understanding what you are saying, I disagree. I don't know how much any amount of cocaine is worth but if, and I emphasize if, a person is in a bad situation, they might do it for even what is considered a relatively small amount of money. Or not.

That is not to say Sarai would, would not, or did it. I don't know.

Perhaps someone knows more about cocaine trade. I don't.

Diversity is a wonderful thing. MOO

 

[ThinkHard]

This kind of torturous violence to "kill "someone is not quite heard of in Turkey. IMO, the violence of the attack suggests that the killer was relatively weak. That's why he/she obsessively hit her head.

Maybe, a 14-year old druggie.

Where did you hear the part about them being weak? Where they discussing that the person had been weak on Turkish tv?

 

[KivaSupporter]

With all due respect, while I don't believe this is the work of a teen druggie, I don't know that we have any information telling us she DIDN'T injure her assailant.

Not directed to anyone in particular (bourne, you just happen to be the lucky person I piggy-backed off of), but can we at least be respectful of everyone's contributions?

It's hard to feel welcome sharing ideas when people either outright laugh at your theories, or become entirely hostile about them. As someone just stated a few minutes ago- we all represent a lot of countries in this thread, and all have different personal/cultural experiences and yes, even biases.

99% of the time our diversity has helped us wind our way through this case and has been an awesome thing. On occasion, however, it's gotten a little mean spirited. We shouldn't attack or make fun of the victim (as was previously discussed) OR each other.

Hi Cmac, I don't know where you are from but I find myself agreeing with most of what you are saying.

I also appreciate diversity and encourage everyone to participate.

Yes, Cmac, you are right. Sometimes people get upset and a bit mean spirited. Let's try to avoid that and concentrate on helping each other. We have the common goal. Don't we?

 

[lavy]

With all due respect, and understanding what you are saying, I disagree. I don't know how much any amount of cocain is worth but if, and I emphasize if, a person is in a bad situation, they might do it for even what is considered a relatively small amount of money. Or not.

That is not to say Sarai would, would not, or did it. I don't know.

Perhaps someone knows more about cocain trade. I don't.

Yesterday the previous head of Turkish Police (Police commissioner?) said on tv that they know American women earn about 10,000-15000 $ each time for carrying drugs from Europe to Turkey.

-I don't know if its true but it is very specific type of info.

 

[belimom]

Of course, I can't link to the actual image, but it is Ammer's IG account, I just use this while at work:

http://pinsta.me/devonmiles1981

Scroll down to what, 3 weeks ago I think now? Should have the pic of him on train, and the few before that of them at airport hanging out waiting. One is of a bunny/bunny costume I think while they were waiting, where him and Sarai make a joke about it.

I saw one but I thought it was a tiger waiting on the tigress...? Or something like that.

 

[lavy]

I can't remember I believe it came out in some of the news articles when it came out that's she was last spotted at 1:15 in serkeci. I can't say how true it is as I can't remember the source so that may be speculation, but I def read it somewhere.

Turkish LE said they have that footage. They mentioned many times so I guess its true.

 

[belimom]

The thing is I don't think if it was Taylan rape was a motive. I don't think it was about power, I think it was about abandonment. I think the rock was just a handy weapon.

I see what you're saying, but either way - I think that strangulation is more common than hitting someone in the head, for rape or crimes of passion such as abandonment. It is much more personal. Beating someone to death, I can see - just with your bare hands. But it sounds like a blunt object was used? I guess we don't know for sure, but it sounds that way.

I'm not saying that someone who knew her wouldn't use whatever object was near by. It just seems more distant rather than personal.

 

[ThinkHard]

I was thinking all the blows were really aggressive and it was accessive more so then it took that many times to deliver a fatal blow.

I guess you could scientifically be able to tell how much force was applied with each blow by the wounds. That would be interesting.

Suppose the do have information then we do. And this is true. What if the killer was a woman?

 

[belimom]

I've been popping in and out of here today - but the focus seems to be back on Ammer just as much as Taylan. Has something else been released? Thanks...!

 

[ThinkHard]

GO TO GOOGLE SEARCH TYPE IN "@taylloo" THE SECOND PICTURE IS ONE OF HIS .......AND IT'S FROM THOSE WALLS!!!!!

 

[KuriousKev]

Google imaged @taylloo

There was another pic of what I believe was the same guy, but was clearer more Ike a photograph....it was the second pic in from this one. And today it is down. Weird.

http://www.google.com/[email protected]&biw=1024&bih=672#biv=i|0;d|aUFhyE1hI3dnnM:

Yep, it's gone. I posted the @Taylloo google image search in the last thread. I clicked through the images where the missing images was attached, the account belonged to a Turkish woman but (of course) the link between Taylan and the woman was no where to be found.