GUILTY Turkey - Sarai Sierra, 33, NY woman murdered, Istanbul, 21 Jan 2013 - #2

[KivaSupporter]

Ya know what I just realized.

If we find out that this Taylan story is true, meaning not that it actually happened, but if he actually SAID it happened.....

Then we can conclude at least one of two things is true:

-either there was indeed some sort of mutual feelings between him and Sarai

Or

- he killed her.

If the story is true tha he said it. What good reason would he have to lie about having an affair with her? He's accounting for a reason his DNA is there ONLY because he knows that his DND could be found on her. DNA that could prove at least one of these two things is true. He'd have no reason to lie about about how it happened, and there is only two ways it could have gotten there.
Now he could be lying and he never did have a thing with sarai, but the only reason he would have to lie is to cover his tracks at the crime scene.

If they did have an affair that doesn't prove he killed her though.

Very interesting points! Thank you. At this point, I am completely confused. Any comment or opinion helps. Please keep them coming.

 

[CMac2]

It just seems more distant rather than personal.

To me it seems more of an opportunity kind of thing- not necessarily a sign that it wasn't personal. Almost an instinctive move to grab something in a fit of rage- whatever happens to be close by, like a rock- and start swinging.

 

[belimom]

GO TO GOOGLE SEARCH TYPE IN "@taylloo" THE SECOND PICTURE IS ONE OF HIS .......AND IT'S FROM THOSE WALLS!!!!!

Are we sure it's the same walls? I don't recall red brick - and they were all lined up, not one on the corner to the left.

OTOH, when you link on the link to view the page, it doesn't exist. So this is a cached version. Hmmm.

 

[CMac2]

I was thinking all the blows were really aggressive and it was accessive more so then it took that many times to deliver a fatal blow.

I was thinking this too. The reports say her face was almost unrecognizable.

 

[ThinkHard]

No, but her family can Google. She may have been giving them so much detail because she was using the trip also as a teachable moment for her kids. They could have Googled the places she was going. They might even have been "following" along with her. This would both teach them about geography AND have them feel involved in her trip.

This is highly doubtful! On her Ista gram account she has a photo of a mosque (yeni cami i believe) and one of hear friends asks if it is Hagia Sophia and she resounded "I have no idea if that Hagia, I am like the most uninformed tourist here"

 

[KivaSupporter]

Yesterday the previous head of Turkish Police (Police commissioner?) said on tv that they know American women earn about 10,000-15000 $ each time for carrying drugs from Europe to Turkey.

-I don't know if its true but it is very specific type of info.

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[necco]

This is highly doubtful! On her Ista gram account she has a photo of a mosque (yeni cami i believe) and one of hear friends asks if it is Hagia Sophia and she resounded "I have no idea if that Hagia, I am like the most uninformed tourist here"

There are nearly 3,000 mosques in Istanbul. Would you necessarily know which one you photographed?

 

[lavy]

Suppose the do have information then we do. And this is true. What if the killer was a woman?

We keep focusing on men especially to specific people for obvious reasons.
Although we can't really say that it is not done by a woman. especially because they took samples from two Iranian women.

I think its been said before, statistically random crime is very low among women. Women tend to kill people that they know and make them feel threatened for some reason. Thats why we were talking about maybe Taylan has a gf/wife who learned that she and Taylan met and got jealous. Still how would she get her there?

About that 2 women they took samples from: I can't see how they could be related.
Have they met with SS? Never heard...
Do they live in the walls? Don't think so if druggies and perverts are there.
Do they live close and have a criminal record for violence or sexual assault? Even this doesn't seem possible. Lets say they have a criminal record for violence. If it is known case must have happened in turkey. If it happened in turkey they probably would be deported. Have no idea why they are suspects. Maybe somebody will have a better guess.

 

[Yashim]

This is highly doubtful! On her Ista gram account she has a photo of a mosque (yeni cami i believe) and one of hear friends asks if it is Hagia Sophia and she resounded "I have no idea if that Hagia, I am like the most uninformed tourist here"

So few photos do contradict with so much detail. As ThinkHard, I am also curious as to why there are so few photos of Istanbul. If I were a tourist, the first thing I would do would be to take a picture of the Bosphorus and post it. It alone is far more beautiful than any monument in Istanbul. Not just one mosque, but all divided by the river that takes a different shade of blue and green every day. In Mark Twain's words:

"Seen from the anchorage or from a mile or so up the Bosporus, it is by far the handsomest city we have seen. Its dense array of houses swells upward from the water's edge, and spreads over the domes of many hills; and the gardens that peep out here and there, the great globes of the mosques, and the countless minarets that meet the eye every where, invest the metropolis with the quaint Oriental aspect one dreams of when he reads books of eastern travel. Constantinople makes a noble picture."

Innocents Abroad

 

[ThinkHard]

I see what you're saying, but either way - I think that strangulation is more common than hitting someone in the head, for rape or crimes of passion such as abandonment. It is much more personal. Beating someone to death, I can see - just with your bare hands. But it sounds like a blunt object was used? I guess we don't know for sure, but it sounds that way.

I'm not saying that someone who knew her wouldn't use whatever object was near by. It just seems more distant rather than personal.

Do you guys remember the Martha Moxley case in the 70's in Greenwich ct. She was walking home leaving a cousin of the Kennedy's house, Michael skackle I think. And he felt she dismissed him even though they never had a thing, he was also made because she hooked up with his brother. He took a golf club follows her and beat her to death in her front yard (big yards remember it Greenwich.) he finally got convicted 30 yrs after the crime. Something about the rock reminds me of that kind of anger.

 

[necco]

So few photos do contradict with so much detail. As ThinkHard, I am also curious as to why there are so few photos of Istanbul. If I were a tourist, the first thing I would do would be to take a picture of the Bosphorus and post it. It alone is far more beautiful than any monument in Istanbul. Not just one mosque, but all divided by the river that takes a different shade of blue and green every day. In Mark Twain's words:

"Seen from the anchorage or from a mile or so up the Bosporus, it is by far the handsomest city we have seen. Its dense array of houses swells upward from the water's edge, and spreads over the domes of many hills; and the gardens that peep out here and there, the great globes of the mosques, and the countless minarets that meet the eye every where, invest the metropolis with the quaint Oriental aspect one dreams of when he reads books of eastern travel. Constantinople makes a noble picture."

Innocents Abroad

There are several reasonable explanations for why she hadn't posted a lot of pictures:
-Perhaps she liked to do a lot of editing and didn't want to waste her time in Turkey doing it
-Maybe the internet connection at her apartment was lousy
-Maybe she wanted to do something special with them, present them in some sort of complete fashion when her trip was over

 

[CMac2]

We keep focusing on men especially to specific people for obvious reasons.
Although we can't really say that it is not done by a woman. especially because they took samples from two Iranian women.

I think its been said before, statistically random crime is very low among women. Women tend to kill people that they know and make them feel threatened for some reason. Thats why we were talking about maybe Taylan has a gf/wife who learned that she and Taylan met and got jealous. Still how would she get her there?

About that 2 women they took samples from: I can't see how they could be related.
Have they met with SS? Never heard...
Do they live in the walls? Don't think so if druggies and perverts are there.
Do they live close and have a criminal record for violence or sexual assault? Even this doesn't seem possible. Lets say they have a criminal record for violence. If it is known case must have happened in turkey. If it happened in turkey they probably would be deported. Have no idea why they are suspects. Maybe somebody will have a better guess.

I tend to think it isn't a woman because of the semen found on her body. Even if Taylan is telling the truth, and they had sex the night before she went missing, most American women that I know are going to bathe after a night of sex and clubbing. So the semen wouldn't have been on her body when she was found, IMO.

Please note- I'm not saying non-American wouldn't bathe under the same circumstances. I'm simply admitting my ignorance when it comes to this topic and women from other nations. No harm intended!

 

[stmarysmead]

Of course they rely on the Turkish press too much. They have all cut their budgets to the bone and among the first things to go is foreign correspondents.

Why do we trust the US media more?

The mainstream ones verify their sources before they go to print. That's really the only reason we have any trust in any of them. Their reporting usually stinks, but the top mainstream chains make an effort to verify their sources.

In order of trustworthiness:

NY Post - not trustworthy (tabloid)
Fox News - not very trustworthy (tabloid-y)
CNN/CBS/ABC/NBC - fairly trustworthy (make attempts to verify sources)

I would ask respectfully that American politics be left out of these discussions too. Many Americans ...almost half of Ametican voters would find just the opposite in "trustworthiness" of our news..with the New York Times being a partisan rag. If our aim is to share and not offend each other, please lets avoid such sweeping comments.

 

[ami]

Yesterday the previous head of Turkish Police (Police commissioner?) said on tv that they know American women earn about 10,000-15000 $ each time for carrying drugs from Europe to Turkey.

-I don't know if its true but it is very specific type of info.

What, just specifically female American citizens earn that?

I still don't see how people think there are drugs involved from Sarai's end. There's nothing that suggests it so far except the media. Maybe the police know something we don't, but so far it feels like a really far-fetched explanation without any evidence, or even hints.

 

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[tardislass]

My two pence worth-

Not ruling out a sexual encounter with Taylan. Sometimes there's an instant attraction and people do things-especially away from home that isnt their norm. No matter what how much sex a woman has does not condone murder.

They may have told the husband what Taylan said- I know I wouldn't share that fact with anyone. Really all we know is when and whereabouts she was killed. The rest is all conjecture. But I don't think her having an affair or hookup makes her a bad person.

 

[Meri]

What if SS agreed to bring some sort of drugs back to Taylan, from Ammer, and then got scared and couldn't bring herself to do it - flushed the drugs? Or, perhaps she was carrying a package that Ammer wanted her to take to Turkey and she didn't know what was really in it and then opened it - was shocked and angry to be put in that position - and flushed it? Whomever she was taking the package to would be very extremely angry about that, maybe even enough to kill her.

 

[ThinkHard]

I see what you're saying, but either way - I think that strangulation is more common than hitting someone in the head, for rape or crimes of passion such as abandonment. It is much more personal. Beating someone to death, I can see - just with your bare hands. But it sounds like a blunt object was used? I guess we don't know for sure, but it sounds that way.

I'm not saying that someone who knew her wouldn't use whatever object was near by. It just seems more distant rather than personal.

Are you familiar with the Martha Moxley story? Greenwich Connecticut in the 70's, she's a teenager, around 10 leaving a neighbors house walking across their yard and hers to get home (big yards its Greenwich after all). One of the neighbors sons comes up and beats her to death with a golf club. He felt she had blown him off, and he was now pissed she was seeing his brother.

 

[belimom]

Do you guys remember the Martha Moxley case in the 70's in Greenwich ct. She was walking home leaving a cousin of the Kennedy's house, Michael skackle I think. And he felt she dismissed him even though they never had a thing, he was also made because she hooked up with his brother. He took a golf club follows her and beat her to death in her front yard (big yards remember it Greenwich.) he finally got convicted 30 yrs after the crime. Something about the rock reminds me of that kind of anger.

Yes... I remember it well. Thanks for reminding me. I'm not saying it doesn't happen - it was just an observation. But you're right - it could have been extreme anger.

FYI, I saw this. I have no idea who this FBI agent is or if he is involved in this case (probably not if he's talking to the media and using his name), but take it for what it's worth - I just thought it was interesting:

....The formal autopsy report will not be released for a week, but former FBI Agent William Daly believes there will be an arrest....

Read more: http://www.myfoxny.com/story/20972864/sarai-sierra-murder-investigation#ixzz2K9qbdBH2​

 

[bessie]

Yesterday the previous head of Turkish Police (Police commissioner?) said on tv that they know American women earn about 10,000-15000 $ each time for carrying drugs from Europe to Turkey.

-I don't know if its true but it is very specific type of info.

That's an interesting fact if it's true. Can you provide a link or some reference to the source so others can find it?