GUILTY Turkey - Sarai Sierra, 33, NY woman murdered, Istanbul, 21 Jan 2013 - #2

[Darkman00]

Then why should anyone take your random impressions and anecdotes about crime seriously? If you've decided in your great wisdom that official murder rates are now meaningless?

You don't have to .. and maybe sholdn't

... but i felt like stating my opinion / simply be heard

 

[ToutCa]

It is definitely possible. I really am on the fence about it, but of course, have no idea what she was up to. Problem is even if the police knew any of this, they wouldn't "officially" say, as it is not relevant to put it out there.

Wait though, didn't Ammer state they were just friends? and also if Taylan did too thru his lawyer, then we have less proof she had intimacies with someone else even. I think I saw someone post this earlier about Ammer saying this.

"Just friends" means many things to many people nowadays.

In the immortal words of Biz Markie "and you say he's just a friend/and you say he's just a friend" and then he catches the girl hooking up with said "just a friend" fellows repeatedly.

Very funny song. LINK

 

[CMac2]

Ya.. But the question is: "To be or not to be" ...

No ... the question, actually, is: Did you go to Turkey just as a visitor to see the country .. or did you go there to meet up with somone, while being married .. for a possible "encounter" .. and then visited "questionalbe, shady" areas of Istanbul ... late at night etc etc ...

By .. thanks G*d .. NOT everyone gets raped, murdered etc .... but chit can happen occasiionally .. as was the case here.. (and that's why it made NEWS and came to our attention... otherwise we'd never hear about some female travelling to Turkey or WHEREVER else).

I agree with this, if the point is that we have to be careful no matter where we are. Unfortunately, and while SS definitely didn't deserved to be harmed, let alone killed, she did make some choices that are unconventional at the very least. It's possible that at least one of those decisions led to her murder. I blame no one but the murderer, but I've always felt that sleuthing her actions and decisions- as far as trying to figure out what happened to her- is fair game.

 

[ToutCa]

You don't have to .. and maybe sholdn't

... but i felt like stating my opinion / simply be heard

If the official murder rate says one thing and you say your "opinion" is the opposite...well, my friend, that's as if I am standing out in the pouring rain while you tell me your "opinion" is that it's hot and sunny. It's silly.

 

[CMac2]

"Just friends" means many things to many people nowadays.

In the immortal words of Biz Markie "and you say he's just a friend/and you say he's just a friend" and then he catches the girl hooking up with said "just a friend" fellows repeatedly.

Very funny song. LINK

Oh my. Did the man just throw out Biz Markie to make a point?!

OH BABY, YOU! YOU GOT WHAT I NEEE-EEED!

 

[diamond12]

Ok, true. I would never ever do that but I have friends like that.

We can discuss this.

There were 2 alarming things for me about this:

-That she told her sister she is going to go Asia, of course she might have done that before but when I read it, it sounded like she hasn't been there. Even if she did doesn't make sense that she is going there on her last afternoon.

-Taylan's claim about on 20th she asked him where to go and he said if you haven't been there go to the historic peninsula (old city) and then they decide to go to galata and topkapi. That sounds a bit stupid. A normal tourist who has a week in istanbul would spend at least 2 days there. Its the most touristic place. Even if she wanted to see different things I would expect her to go there first day and then do other things.



--Ok after writing this I think the reason she told her sister that she is going to asia is that she was planning to meet with Taylan?

bbm
I actually thought the exact same thing. She was there for many days and decided to visit such touristic place hours before going to the airport?
That might be explained by her own admission of not knowing much about Istanbul, but still...her IG friend must have suggested her what to do during her trip.

 

[lavy]

welcome back
Turkish press has been unusually silent today...

I expect something big tomorrow...an arrest hopefully and if not at least an alien connection. I won't accept anything less than that.

 

[CMac2]

--Ok after writing this I think the reason she told her sister that she is going to asia is that she was planning to meet with Taylan?

Exactly. I wouldn't have told my family where I was going if I were married, on a trip for photography, and was going to meet up with a man I'd met online. Of course, everyone's relationship with their siblings is different. I wouldn't have gone there with mine. JMO.

 

[tardislass]

I think I'd rather have the wild speculating over the creepy silence. At least when they're throwing theories out there, claiming they're confirmed as fact, we at least have something to sleuth. Grumble.

I think they are waiting for us to come up with some new theories.

 

[ToutCa]

If nice buildings weren't what she was aiming for, it would make sense that she wouldn't know what the Hagia Sophia was. That's why I specifically mentioned Lonely Planet and Rough guide, they're much grittier.


Heck, most people who go to London don't realize that London Bridge is very plain and what they THINK is London Bridge is actually Tower Bridge.

(And yes, my comment about guidebooks is a blatant attempt to stop the oversharing train that is chugging full steam into sexville.)

We really don't have any evidence she knew anything about Amsterdam or Istanbul at all. Except that she thought they were pretty safe, that there was some cool graffiti in Amsterdam, and that there were beautiful buildings in Istanbul to take photos of.

Maybe she had more information, but we don't know about it...anyone else have a sense of what her degree of knowledge was about the cities she was traveling to?

 

[lavy]

bbm
I actually thought the exact same thing. She was there for many days and decided to visit such touristic place hours before going to the airport?
That might be explained by her own admission of not knowing much about Istanbul, but still...her IG friend must have suggested her what to do during her trip.

Glad that it makes sense.
And even if she haven't read anything before I would expect her (or any tourist) to google something like 10 places to see in istanbul.

 

[ToutCa]

Oh my. Did the man just throw out Biz Markie to make a point?!

OH BABY, YOU! YOU GOT WHAT I NEEE-EEED!

You know we had to have him on this thread!

 

[Darkman00]

ToutCa

CMac2 read me correctly above.. - so why can't you

... and that's all i was trying to say, basically ..

Other than that .. simply looking for answers .. as anyone else here ... that's all

As to some of those stats .. - at the moment, anyhow, i don't give a flying kite about them

Those stats SURELY didn't help SS to remain alive and among us... and that's a fact

 

[Kluver13]

Apologies if this was covered before...I was out preparing for this snowstorm we're getting

The only thing that makes sense to me regarding Sarai's missing clothes is that the perp wanted to remove any evidence that could contain DNA, fingerprints, etc. that's why only her shell was taken, in other words, anything the perp would have touched.

And this fact also removes the druggie attack as possibility. A druggie would not remove her clothes and leave behind the jewelry. Even in a possible rape, the druggie would not take off her shoes. Why would he have to?? He just needs to pull down her pants not take them off.

Somebody that she casually met during her time there could have picked her up in a car during her walk. She was a very trusting person. She would have not given it a second thought to jump in a car with someone who she previously shared a brief exchange with. Perhaps even someone who saw her in the bar the night she had the encounter with Tarkan.

Anyway, that's what I got thus far...

I agree with you. The crime scene (as stated by LE) was far too contrived for this to be a random occurence in my opinion.

 

[ThinkHard]

If nice buildings weren't what she was aiming for, it would make sense that she wouldn't know what the Hagia Sophia was. That's why I specifically mentioned Lonely Planet and Rough guide, they're much grittier.


Heck, most people who go to London don't realize that London Bridge is very plain and what they THINK is London Bridge is actually Tower Bridge.

(And yes, my comment about guidebooks is a blatant attempt to stop the oversharing train that is chugging full steam into sexville.)

I understand what your saying but even lonely planet would have Hagia Sophia mention. I mean the building has been standing since 400 something AD.

I was more commenting on the fact she herself said she was a very uninformed tourist.....which doesn't jibe at least for me with her families claims of extensive research.

 

[ToutCa]

My husband said the same of his international travels (almost 30 countries for his job). He said 'what would YOU think if I went to one country then announced I was traveling 1000 miles to another country to sleep on a woman's couch that I had met online?'. Tru dat. But Ammer doesn't seem like someone who has a dark edge/side to him. Just a dude.

A dude who was more than happy to get down with the lady. Trust.

No guy on god's green earth is gonna get dressed up in a tiger suit for "his tigress" if he's not angling for some action.

No way, no how. (Unless he's gay of course).

 

[ThinkHard]

Ya.. But the question is: "To be or not to be" ...

No ... the question, actually, is: Did you go to Turkey just as a visitor to see the country .. or did you go there to meet up with somone, while being married .. for a possible "encounter" .. and then visited "questionalbe, shady" areas of Istanbul ... late at night etc etc ...

By .. thanks G*d .. NOT everyone gets raped, murdered etc .... but chit can happen occasiionally .. as was the case here.. (and that's why it made NEWS and came to our attention... otherwise we'd never hear about some female travelling to Turkey or WHEREVER else).

No I went there to live for a year just to experience the world, and I went on my own.

So I was much more then just a visitor.

And I found it very friendly and welcoming and not threatening at all as a woman walking around alone. Sure guys hit on you, but you just blatantly ignore them. I wouldn't pay attention to cat calls in ny why would I do that in Istanbul.

 

[tardislass]

bbm
I actually thought the exact same thing. She was there for many days and decided to visit such touristic place hours before going to the airport?
That might be explained by her own admission of not knowing much about Istanbul, but still...her IG friend must have suggested her what to do during her trip.

But didn't that Person who saw her near the Topkapi Palace with card carrying guide see her before the 20th? So she could have visited some of the sites during her stay. I was surprised she didn't go anywhere else in Turkey- even Ephesus for a day. The airfare is incredibly cheap! But maybe she was focused on Istanbul and didn't know much about the country.

 

[diamond12]

Glad that it makes sense.
And even if she haven't read anything before I would expect her (or any tourist) to google something like 10 places to see in istanbul.

Exactly, it really makes me wonder what she did while she was there.
Just like her friend saying she backed out at last minute...

 

[necco]

I understand what your saying but even lonely planet would have Hagia Sophia mention. I mean the building has been standing since 400 something AD.

I was more commenting on the fact she herself said she was a very uninformed tourist.....which doesn't jibe at least for me with her families claims of extensive research.

OF COURSE, it would be mentioned. It's a guidebook. That doesn't mean she was interested in it enough to bother learning which it was. I'm theorizing about her interests and how we could find out why she went to the wall.