GUILTY Turkey - Sarai Sierra, 33, NY woman murdered, Istanbul, 21 Jan 2013 - #4

[CMac2]

This is a prejudicial opinion. You really need to post links to this overgeneralization.

I actually agree with the statement Herat made.

It does seem like quite a few Americans- yes, even a substantial number- don't realize Turkey is not the Middle East. I haven't seen MSM state this, so I don't know what type of link you'd be looking for, but all you have to do is scroll to the comments section of any article that's been posted about this case. People are commenting in droves (not on WS, but on the MSM articles) about what a dangerous, scary, Muslim ( like that fact alone should mean something :banghead: ), Middle Eastern country Turkey is. Some people don't take issue with the notion of traveling abroad, it's the fact that she went to TURKEY, as if that's some backwards tribal zone with nothing to offer an American woman looking to learn about far off lands. People refer to it as a third world country and all kinds of other nonsense. Ignorance, unfortunately, abounds.

It's been one of the more infuriating aspects of this case, honestly.

 

[Herat]

This is a prejudicial opinion. You really need to post links to this overgeneralization.

It's sarcasm, bourne. That is not MY opinion of Turkey.

Read some of the stoopid comments about whether women are allowed out of the house in Turkey, or whether they have to wear headscarves or hijab. Read what some people are writing about Muslim women and applying it to modern day Turkey.

Sarcasm. Sarcasm. Sarcasm :banghead:

 

[Yashim]

In one of the papers it said he was a homeless living around the walls. Personally, I'm not buying this story (Ziya being the murderer) at all. Maybe he took part in helping the murderer but somehow I do not want to believe he is the murderer himself.

I think he got scared like Taylan/ Tarkan when the story got out of control and went to Karabuk.

Well, let's just hope that Ziya is the right guy.

Because I have already made some arrangements to make sure that Ziya enjoys his time in prison to the fullest.

If Ziya is not the perp, my deepest apologies go to the next Ziya that ends up in prison.

 

[bourne]

Latest news being reported

http://www.ensonhaber.com/polis-sierra-icin-6-ilde-27-kisinin-pesinde-2013-02-14.html

Does the following say something about a bloodstained blanket?

"Sarai cinayetinde bulunan battaniyenin de Laz Ziya'ya ait olduğu tespit edilmişti."

 

[CMac2]

Well, let's just hope that Ziya is the right guy.

Because I have already made some arrangements to make sure that Ziya enjoys his time in prison to the fullest.

If Ziya is not the perp, my deepest apologies go to the next Ziya that ends up in prison.

Yashim! :floorlaugh:

I really do not put any stock at all in the Ziya guy being the perp, which is strange, because I'm honestly off my Taylan bandwagon. I have absolutely no idea what happened to this woman.

What I do know, however, is that I've seen absolutely nothing that convinces me Ziya is any more likely to have committed this crime than any of the other folks we've considered. There is also a whole lot of weirdness surrounding the case, just enough to make the idea of a random attack not sit well with me. I need more than what we've been given to convince me otherwise.

 

[Yellow]

This is a prejudicial opinion. You really need to post links to this overgeneralization.

In that hurryiate Turkish newspaper, they have an opinion poll on people's view of Turkey. 85% of Turks have a favorabke opinion of their country, but most other countries do not. For US, it is 43% favorable, 46% unfavorable of Turkey. The survey was not done by that newspaper but they were reporting data from a scholarly source i think. Russia had most favorable 61%. That said, most countries do not have a favorable view of other countries, so it does not mean much!

I think the original poster was not giving his/her opinion, but was just stating that Americans as a whole may have a lot of misconceptions about Turkey & was maybe making a joke about it. We do not see it on the news here much and when it is, it is usually concerning an isolated bombing or earthquake or now, the Syria refugees. Many Americans wrongly probably think it is in the Middle East bc we hear about Turkey often in connection w Syria or some sort of conflict in Middle East (like during Iraw war).

I remember my first time I heard about Tirkey was during the Iranian Hostage crisis when I was 5. I could not understand how their was a country called Turkey! someone posted an article here last week telling about the name and how it got it.

 

[NewYork625]

Does the following say something about a bloodstained blanket?

"Sarai cinayetinde bulunan battaniyenin de Laz Ziya'ya ait olduğu tespit edilmişti."

Is that Ziya's entire name they posted?

 

[bourne]

I actually agree with the statement Herat made.

It does seem like quite a few Americans- yes, even a substantial number- don't realize Turkey is not the Middle East. I haven't seen MSM state this, so I don't know what type of link you'd be looking for, but all you have to do is scroll to the comments section of any article that's been posted about this case. People are commenting in droves (not on WS, but on the MSM articles) about what a dangerous, scary, Muslim ( like that fact alone should mean something :banghead: ), Middle Eastern country Turkey is. Some people don't take issue with the notion of traveling abroad, it's the fact that she went to TURKEY, as if that's some backwards tribal zone with nothing to offer an American woman looking to learn about far off lands. People refer to it as a third world country and all kinds of other nonsense. Ignorance, unfortunately, abounds.

It's been one of the more infuriating aspects of this case, honestly.

I agree ignorance abounds.

 

[Yashim]

You're probably right.

Judging from some of the comments I've seen made to news stories about the incident, a substantial portion of the US population seems to think Turkey is about as western as Yemen and about as attractive to visit. :sigh:

This totally makes sense.

Considering Yemen was part of Turkey, well the Ottoman Empire, between 1517 and 1864.

On the second thought, where is Yemen anyway?

 

[bourne]

One of my theories is that Ziya did not act alone. SS is reported to have bruises on her wrists, and her pants were off. Also, it was discussed here yesterday that someone it was odd noone heard her.

It's possible it was an attempted gang rape, and she fought back to the point that someone hit her hard enough in the head/face to kill her/disfigure her, and the assailants fled the scene.

The bruises on her wrists could have come from one person restraining her, another could have covered her face with the blanket or covered her mouth with their hand to try to silence her, and another could have removed her boots and pants.

The fact that Ziya was seen by some with blood on himself, and that it was his blanket she was wrapped in, might only mean he was the only one anyone took notice of that day. Any one of the assailants might have wrapped her in Ziya's blanket.

I believe she broke her fingers tumbling down the embankment during the struggle, or when she fell trying to get away from the "gang".

So do you think there was a gang of homeless garbage pickers who assaulted and killed Sarai, and are now fugitives on the run?

 

[bourne]

Is that Ziya's entire name they posted?

I think Yashim explained above that Las is the place where Ziya's from and that Ziya's his first name.

 

[Yellow]

I wouldn't say it's prejudicial, and believe there is some truth there. I would go so far as to say that I think there are Americans who don't know Turkey is an ally, and also couldn't pick Turkey out on a map. Just being honest... :truce:

I know they did a survey a few years ago and it was something like only a quarter of IVY LEAGUe freshman could locate Japan on a map, and a sizeable among could.NOT EVEN LOCATE THE USA! So I imagine the rest of the country is worse. Americans as a whole are very bad w that kind of stuff. Many Americans are very good, and they forget that Americans in general are quite insular.

 

[bourne]

I know they did a survey a few years ago and it was something like only a quarter of IVY LEAGUe freshman could locate Japan on a map, and a sizeable among could.NOT EVEN LOCATE THE USA! So I imagine the rest of the country is worse. Americans as a whole are very bad w that kind of stuff. Many Americans are very good, and they forget that Americans in general are quite insular.

Okay, I'm from two ivy-leagues. Let's not broadstroke here.

 

[CMac2]

So do you think there was a gang of homeless garbage pickers who assaulted and killed Sarai, and are now fugitives on the run?

If Ziya is involved in this, I tend to agree that he did not act alone. When I learned LE was seeking a homeless man in connection to this crime, I wondered if SS could have been killed by someone she knew, but perhaps that person enlisted the help of the homeless man to move/hide her body. If he's homeless and hungry, he may have done any number of things for money/food/drugs- whatever the heck it is that he needs but lacks the resources to obtain on his own. Especially if SS was already dead- moving her body, helping to conceal it isn't going to bring her back.

I'm not saying I'm convinced that this is what happened, but I'm not convinced it didn't happen either.

 

[NewYork625]

So do you think there was a gang of homeless garbage pickers who assaulted and killed Sarai, and are now fugitives on the run?

It's possible. It could have been 2 or more. There are gangs in all kinds of professions...

 

[Yashim]

Is that Ziya's entire name they posted?

No. Ziya is the first name. Laz is the post-nominal of some sort, like nick name.

In English you say "Ivan, the terrible"

We would write that in Turkish in reverse order as Terrible Ivan (Korkunc Ivan)

So Laz Ziya, is actually "Ziya, the Laz".

And this is all we got.

 

[NewYork625]

I think Yashim explained above that Las is the place where Ziya's from and that Ziya's his first name.

The has the Laz, but also what looks like a second name in addition to Ziya.

 

[CMac2]

Okay, I'm from two ivy-leagues. Let's not broadstroke here.

I don't think the point was to broadstroke Ivy Leagues. I think the point is simply that a lot of people have misconceptions about Turkey, and some of those people are not uneducated people.

 

[CMac2]

On the second thought, where is Yemen anyway?

Everybody knows Yemen is an 8th world country located on the continent of Islam. Extremely unsafe. Almost as bad as Turkey, even, but not quite. :fence:

 

[NewYork625]

No. Ziya is the first name. Laz is the post-nominal of some sort, like nick name.

In English you say "Ivan, the terrible"

We would write that in Turkish in reverse order as Terrible Ivan (Korkunc Ivan)

So Laz Ziya, is actually "Ziya, the Laz".

And this is all we got.

I don't want to post it here, but I sent Yashim a pm to see if it is a last name I saw, or just a Turkish word. The Bing translator makes it look like a name.