GUILTY Turkey - Sarai Sierra, 33, NY woman murdered, Istanbul, 21 Jan 2013 - #4

[Herat]

Her bag looked 'packed', all her things she would need for her flight are in the room, and to take a long walk instead of getting ready for the flight home has seemed strange from the beginning, except they supposedly have footage of that walk.......but if it's anything like this, I don't believe it.

I noticed that too. The Big Green Bag looked very stuffed in the shot of it in the police car. More than we see when she is usually walking out in NYC or in the cafeteria shots.

That's why I was reviewing flight schedules to try to determine how soon her upcoming departure was - which could lead some insight into how much time she thought she had before departure. Her arrival time was stated as 4:55 pm Jan 22, which means she was on the direct (non-connecting) UAL 905 flight that departs IST Jan 22 at 12:05 pm so she had about 24 hours more in Istanbul from her last reported sighting on the Sekaci or Sayanbunu CCTV.

IF that sighting was correct. You raise a great point about the Jan 21 footage. However, I think LE has a pretty good profile of how she normally appeared and I will trust that they were correct in their identification.

 

[NewYork625]

http://www.health.am/psy/more/homelessness-schizophrenia/


"Unfortunately, some of the most severely ill schizophrenia patients leave a safe place like a hospital or private home and eventually live on the streets. One-third of all homeless people are believed to be mentally ill, and a large proportion of those are schizophrenic."

Some schizophrenics hear voices that tell them to do things. New York's "Son of Sam" comes to mind.

Do we really know if he was one of the trashmen, or simply a homeless man living among the trashmen who sometime participated in their trade? If he was a trashman, where was his trashbin/trash cart?

 

[Herat]

Someone hinted awhile ago on another thread about rapid Dna so I looked it up. I'm not sure they could or did use it in this case but I was shocked to find out how quickly that can process it..90 minutes... http://www.networkworld.com/news/2012/091812-rapid-dna-262569.html with this device..

A machine may be able to run a perfectly preserved and processed sample in 90 minutes, but that does not mean the results are reviewed and interepreted in that time frame.

The samples that walk in the door from a crime scene do not just go onto a machine like your blood sample for a regular medical test does.

This is VERY IMPORTANT DATA and must be scrupulous in it's veracity. The consequences of the identification are so significant they must be reviewed and re-run and revalidated, etc etc.

Disclaimer: I don't do this testing but I have an idea of how scrupulous the process is.

 

[KivaSupporter]

http://www.health.am/psy/more/homelessness-schizophrenia/


"Unfortunately, some of the most severely ill schizophrenia patients leave a safe place like a hospital or private home and eventually live on the streets. One-third of all homeless people are believed to be mentally ill, and a large proportion of those are schizophrenic."

Some schizophrenics hear voices that tell them to do things. New York's "Son of Sam" comes to mind.

Do we really know if he was one of the trashmen, or simply a homeless man living among the trashmen who sometime participated in their trade? If he was a trashman, where was his trashbin/trash cart?

I wonder how big is the cart? Could it be used to transport a body?

 

[ThinkHard]

Interesting theory, but it makes sense to me that a mentally unstable, homeless (self imposed) trash collector/scavenger might possibly have delusions, and/or fanatical views (or he might just be paranoid/schizophrenic), and see Sarai as a member of the CIA who was even more threatening because she had a camera. He may have believed he was doing the right thing killing her, but then some part of him realized he would be in trouble, and he fled. He may have taken her ipad and phone because he thought there was "sensitive" material on them.

LE saying they were afraid people were being scared off may have referred to the homeless in the area who are now missing. The others may have discovered the body, or been told about it by Z, and fled for fear of being implicated.

I hear what you are saying. But we do not know exactly what Ziya's mental health status was/is. So we have no idea if he could have been a paranoid schizophrenic or not. Maybe he has a mental disorder maybe he doesn't. But it is worth noting that the majority of people with mental health issues are not violent.

 

[NewYork625]

I wonder how big is the cart? Could it be used to transport a body?

Interesting...but where is it now?

 

[english]

I noticed that too. The Big Green Bag looked very stuffed in the shot of it in the police car. More than we see when she is usually walking out in NYC or in the cafeteria shots.

That's why I was reviewing flight schedules to try to determine how soon her upcoming departure was - which could lead some insight into how much time she thought she had before departure. Her arrival time was stated as 4:55 pm Jan 22, which means she was on the direct (non-connecting) UAL 905 flight that departs IST Jan 22 at 12:05 pm so she had about 24 hours more in Istanbul from her last reported sighting on the Sekaci or Sayanbunu CCTV.

IF that sighting was correct. You raise a great point about the Jan 21 footage. However, I think LE has a pretty good profile of how she normally appeared and I will trust that they were correct in their identification.

I thought she had not packed and assumed her things had been put into her bags by someone else to remove them.

Is anyone able to make out her bag from the latest pictures released

http://www.internethaber.com/sarainin-olmeden-onceki-son-hali-504455h.htm

 

[NewYork625]

I hear what you are saying. But we do not know exactly what Ziya's mental health status was/is. So we have no idea if he could have been a paranoid schizophrenic or not. Maybe he has a mental disorder maybe he doesn't. But it is worth noting that the majority of people with mental health issues are not violent.

True, but some are. He did tell his sister he thought Sarai was with the CIA. Maybe he wasn't ok with that...

 

[Herat]

I wonder how big is the cart? Could it be used to transport a body?

I think LE was quite specific about knowing the body was "dragged" for 100m at least partially because of a trail of blood. I think a car would leave wheel marks and the term "dragged" wouldn't be used, it would be more like "transported". Also, the container would have to be leaking.

(sorry about the gory part)

 

[ThinkHard]

I'm a European female who agrees with you. In my many visits the only time I have ever felt unsafe was that walk along Kennedy Cad.

You make some great points. I too would not feel comfortable walking along those walls alone. Seaside side of the road fine, but even in broad daylight I don't think I would walk on the other side. It's pretty obvious that there is evidence of people inhabiting that area. And I just can't see somebody feeling comfortable walking on the same side, let alone within those walls alone. I just don't think someone would do that. SS was a street smart New Yorker, one thing you learn is to not walk in places alone where you are more likely to be vulnerable. I'm giving SS realistic credit for most likely having the same feeling about walking within those walls alone. I just don't think she would do it. Which is why I really feel she must have been meeting someone there.

 

[NewYork625]

http://psychcentral.com/news/2009/05/21/schizophrenia-does-not-influence-risk-of-violent-crime/6016.html

"Twenty-eight percent of those with schizophrenia and co-occurring substance abuse were convicted of violent crime, compared to eight percent of those with schizophrenia and no substance abuse, and five percent of the general population."

Perhaps he fit in more with the substance abuse addicts in the area?

 

[bet2173]

I wonder how big is the cart? Could it be used to transport a body?

The paper collectors do not use a cart here like the homeless in the States. Instead they carry something like a huge sack on wheels.

 

[ThinkHard]

I can certainly see this as a scenario as well given that he mentioned he mentioned her as a member of the CIA to his sister.

I missed that...can you link the article?

 

[Herat]

I thought she had not packed and assumed her things had been put into her bags by someone else to remove them.

Is anyone able to make out her bag from the latest pictures released

http://www.internethaber.com/sarainin-olmeden-onceki-son-hali-504455h.htm

Oh Oh OH.

Very different outfit than her usual photo getup:

1. No cap.
2. Hair worn loose
3. Is that even the leather jacket
4. Red top we haven't seen
5. Bell-bottom pants
6. Can't tell about the boots
7. Certainly not The Big Green Bag and I don't see a bag, on first review.
8. Why is there something shiny/reflective on the left jacket lapel? A pin? A badge? NYC photo outfits don't show anything on that leather jacket that seem to be shiny.
9. She normally wears a bag on her right shoulder, and we can't really see that right shoulder very well.

My first impression is that this is an outfit you wear to meet someone you know (and like). This is not an outfit you wear to photgraph dirty crumbly old walls strewn with graffiti or railroad lines.

Hmmmmmmm.

 

[NewYork625]

I missed that...can you link the article?

It was in a Turkish article that someone translated yesterday(?). I will look for it.

 

[bet2173]

I wonder how big is the cart? Could it be used to transport a body?

Just To give you an idea

ka - Google Search

 

[english]

You make some great points. I too would not feel comfortable walking along those walls alone. Seaside side of the road fine, but even in broad daylight I don't think I would walk on the other side. It's pretty obvious that there is evidence of people inhabiting that area. And I just can't see somebody feeling comfortable walking on the same side, let alone within those walls alone. I just don't think someone would do that. SS was a street smart New Yorker, one thing you learn is to not walk in places alone where you are more likely to be vulnerable. I'm giving SS realistic credit for most likely having the same feeling about walking within those walls alone. I just don't think she would do it. Which is why I really feel she must have been meeting someone there.

I was walking along the seaside side of the road and felt unsafe which is why I can't imagine she would have walked the other side of the road, even less can I imagine her straying from the path.

 

[ThinkHard]

I thought she had not packed and assumed her things had been put into her bags by someone else to remove them.

Is anyone able to make out her bag from the latest pictures released

http://www.internethaber.com/sarainin-olmeden-onceki-son-hali-504455h.htm

Interesting. Did anyone not the time stamp on the eminonu picture was at 1:29 in the afternoon?

 

[SANDOVAL]

Oh Oh OH.

Very different outfit than her usual photo getup:

1. No cap.
2. Hair worn loose
3. Is that even the leather jacket
4. Red top we haven't seen
5. Bell-bottom pants
6. Can't tell about the boots
7. Certainly not The Big Green Bag and I don't see a bag, on first review.
8. Why is there something shiny/reflective on the left jacket lapel? A pin? A badge? NYC photo outfits don't show anything on that leather jacket that seem to be shiny.

My first impression is that this is an outfit you wear to meet someone you know (and like). This is not an outfit you wear to photgraph dirty crumbly old walls strewn with graffiti or railroad lines.

Hmmmmmmm.

Hmmmm, yes, this is how she presented herself in Amsterdam, more 1960's look....

 

[NewYork625]

I missed that...can you link the article?

Got it! http://www.microsofttranslator.com/BV.aspx?ref=IE8Activity&a=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.memurlar.net%2Fhaber%2F338258%2F

This is the version as translated by Bing. The part about the CIA is towards the end. A Turkish speaking member here verified that it was about the CIA.