GUILTY Turkey - Sarai Sierra, 33, NY woman murdered, Istanbul, 21 Jan 2013 - #4

[SandyP]

Definitely similarities, perhaps the cap?

The cap, the nose, the eyes, the wispy beard. C'mon - Ammer is younger yes but they look exactly the same.

And while we are on it - what is it with the caps? Sarai, Steven, Ammer. Is this some kind of Instagram cap cult?

L

 

[SANDOVAL]

The evidence would be her serious injuries.
I did float an idea about a good samaritan 'homeless' person taking her to the cave (knowing she was a goner), watching over the dying traveller, and protecting her until she died.
I don't think that is outlandish and would explain 'missing 2weeks/dead 10 days'.

 

[Yashim]

Are you still suspecting the 14-year old teenage druggie weakling of murdering Sarai? :banghead:

I kinda dropped it.

Two reasons:

1) Druggies would have done a much sloppier job hiding the body. They wouldn't even think of hiding it.

2) If it was a druggie, LE would have found him by now (unless he is dead some place).

My latest theory is again random attack, but I believe the perp is a hobo. And the body hiding is executed by two people. (Cause those plank wood are heavy). When I say hobo, I mean an unemployed, construction worker type of guy. You know like seasonal workers that migrate to Western Turkey for jobs. If that's is the case, they'll find him.

But I think the greatest lead of all is the plank wood that they used to cover the body. Who would know how to get those? They just can't pull them under the rails. They must have know where the extras are kept. Somebody must have seen them carry it.

Somebody's not talking enough. Either the eyewitnesses or LE.

 

[bourne]

NY Times said they stayed w friends of friends of the brother in turkey so it does not appear they had connections, most people except if they are Turkish do not have friends in Turkey.

Of course if he had just hired a hit man to kill his wife, he would not want to broadcast it that he had Turkish connections bc he would want to hide it

We can only judge him on media appearances bc none of us know him. Sometimes the husbands, like Scott Peterson, look guilty on TV, they act too suave and like they do not even care. Steven is not acting like Peterson acted. Or even Drew Peterson- he did not act too upset either. There has been a bunch of cases where husband is not upset at all.

Of course sometimes appearances can be deceiving so just bc the husband acts distraught does not mean they are not guilty. We just have had so many cases where the husband does not even appear to care that the wife is dead and then they are found guilty of her murder...

I don't believe Mr. Sierra is involved in his wife's murder. He looks genuinely in agony and anguish over her death. I read people very well. Have not been wrong yet. I don't believe he killed her or paid a hitman to kill her.

However, I'm willing to entertain the idea if someone finds he recently purchased a million-dollar life insurance policy on his wife.

 

[NewYork625]

I always thought it was kind of strange why her husband and I believe her brother were telling her not to cheat on her husband. Like was she telling people before she went to Turkey that she might cheat on her husband???
Why were they saying that? I don't believe it is something you would want to be known! I don't understand those comments by her husband. It's like they knew she was going to cheat on her husband. My observation only! Where did that come from?

I can't imagine her husband not being somewhat concerned about her going off on a trip where her handsome, single male IG "friends" are also acting as tour guides, and knowing she was sleeping on Ammer's sofa...

I'm a woman and I certainly can't imagine my husband doing the same thing, and me being ok with it......and we've been married 30 years this year!

Most people here seem willing to accept the fact that Sarai was human and that it's only natural to think she might be tempted. I'm sure her husband thought the same thing.

 

[PippaCatherine]

The cap, the nose, the eyes, the wispy beard. C'mon - Ammer is younger yes but they look exactly the same.

And while we are on it - what is it with the caps? Sarai, Steven, Ammer. Is this some kind of Instagram cap cult?

L

LOL, thought the same, what is with the cap thing going on?

 

[Yashim]

It's customary to take off your shoes in any season when visiting a Turkish home.

Up until a year ago. Not anymore.

 

[bourne]

I kinda dropped it.

Two reasons:

1) Druggies would have done a much sloppier job hiding the body. They wouldn't even think of hiding it.

2) If it was a druggie, LE would have found him by now (unless he is dead some place).

My latest theory is again random attack, but I believe the perp is a hobo. And the body hiding is executed by two people. (Cause those plank wood are heavy). When I say hobo, I mean an unemployed, construction worker type of guy. You know like seasonal workers that migrate to Western Turkey for jobs. If that's is the case, they'll find him.

But I think the greatest lead of all is the plank wood that they used to cover the body. Who would know how to get those? They just can't pull them under the rails. They must have know where the extras are kept. Somebody must have seen them carry it.

Somebody's not talking enough. Either the eyewitnesses or LE.

Why do you keep thinking it's a random stranger? What would be the motive for hobos to bash her face/head in to unrecognizable form?

 

[Yellow]

most people except if they are Turkish do not have friends in Turkey.

I respectfully disagree with much of what you mention, however I don't want to hijack a very important thread. You've somehow misunderstood what I posted in response to your previous comments.

I think you confuse me saying Turkish with saying living in Turkey. But someone can be Turkish and live in another country, you do not have to live in Turkey to be Turkish. Out of the billions of people in the world, most people (in USA, in China, in India, etc) do not know someone in Turkey bc most people do not know anyone outside their home country (especially given the fact that most of the world lives on like a $1 a day, they have no reason nor the means to know someone from a foreign country). Let alone do they know someone well enough to ask to stay w them,

Point is I think it would be extremely unlikely Steven knew anyone in Turkey well enough to ask them to follow around his wife and kill her. Given that he is not Turkish and not a part of the Turkish - American community in NYC, and it appears he did not live in a Turkish neighborhood in NYC, and given we know he never traveled to Turkey on business or pleasure, he likely would only know someone from Turkey if he met them at work, at school or in the neighborhood. But given what he told the Times about having to rely on friends of friends of someone else to set him up, it seems like he knew no one in his circle with Turkish connections.

I am not sure if you are American but we have had a slew of cases where the husband gets on TV barely caring about the wife's murder and it always is found out that the husband did it. Steve is not acting like those people. That is not to say he didn't do it, but he sure would be a great actor if he did kill her, bc he seems pretty upset to me. I live in NYC so I have seen him on local news as well.

 

[SandyP]

Someone had posted the public Fb page of the IG friend from Amsterdam and I went on it awhile ago. He had tons of pics there and he looked nothing like Mr. Sierra.

Bourne I Respectfully disagree. Except for the age difference they look like they could be the same person.

 

[bourne]

Hi there - checking in after a long day at work. It doesn't seem that there is anything new. Or did I miss something? TIA!

Nothing new. Regurgitating old theories and motives. Some newbies suspect the Sierra family of nefarious activities.

 

[Yellow]

In my experience, the last day of a foreign trip is a busy day full of last minute stuff. Shopping to burn off any extra currency or to buy souveniers is a common occurrence. However she doesn't have much money to spend and I just don't see her being interested in buying something like a carpet. First of all, they are relatively expensive. Secondly, they are bulky and heavy to take back. The carpet sellers I've encountered in Morocco are very aggressive and can be really annoying. I don't ever recall being in a shop where one removed one's shoes. If there was an apartment attached to a house, invariably there were women and children there. I think it would be an unusual situation where SS ends up in a shopkeeper's apartment alone.

I have been to Turkey and the carpet people can be very aggressive. they invite you in for tea sometimes and they give a biscuit too sometimes. I doubt she would have bought a carpet, they are all like 2000-3000 but they will mail to your home. Even a small carpet is alot. Like $200-300, so unless she spent that and the carpet was small she would not be carrying it around..

 

[bourne]

Bourne I Respectfully disagree. Except for the age difference they look like they could be the same person.

Did you see the Amstersdam IG guy's FB page?

The one pic shown of him in the news stories does not accurately reflect how he really looks.

 

[NewYork625]

Up until a year ago. Not anymore.

I don't do it, but I know plenty of people here in the US who ask visitors to take their shoes off to protect their floors.

 

[ThinkHard]

The evidence would be her serious injuries.
I did float an idea about a good samaritan 'homeless' person taking her to the cave (knowing she was a goner), watching over the dying traveller, and protecting her until she died.
I don't think that is outlandish and would explain 'missing 2weeks/dead 10 days'.

With all do respect, but that theory is completed outlandish....you suggested that they placed her in a "cheifs" home, and questioned whether they had women's restrooms in bars in turkey.

That thought process is way off the mark.

 

[PippaCatherine]

I think you confuse me saying Turkish with saying living in Turkey. But someone can be Turkish and live in another country, you do not have to live in Turkey to be Turkish. Out of the billions of people in the world, most people (in USA, in China, in India, etc) do not know someone in Turkey bc most people do not know anyone outside their home country (especially given the fact that most of the world lives on like a $1 a day, they have no reason nor the means to know someone from a foreign country). Let alone do they know someone well enough to ask to stay w them,

Point is I think it would be extremely unlikely Steven knew anyone in Turkey well enough to ask them to follow around his wife and kill her. Given that he is not Turkish and not a part of the Turkish - American community in NYC, and it appears he did not live in a Turkish neighborhood in NYC, and given we know he never traveled to Turkey on business or pleasure, he likely would only know someone from Turkey if he met them at work, at school or in the neighborhood. But given what he told the Times about having to rely on friends of friends of someone else to set him up, it seems like he knew no one in his circle with Turkish connections.

I am not sure if you are American but we have had a slew of cases where the husband gets on TV barely caring about the wife's murder and it always is found out that the husband did it. Steve is not acting like those people. That is not to say he didn't do it, but he sure would be a great actor if he did kill her, bc he seems pretty upset to me. I live in NYC so I have seen him on local news as well.

I have no idea why you are elaborating, as I didn't specify what I disagreed with. Let's move on

 

[ThinkHard]

Up until a year ago. Not anymore.

In every Turkish home I have personally been in, and its many. This was the expectation.

 

[NewYork625]

Hi there - checking in after a long day at work. It doesn't seem that there is anything new. Or did I miss something? TIA!

We have discussed the possibility that Sarai was murdered in someone's home as evidenced by her not having her coat, handbag, and shoes when she was found. She may have removed her coat, handbag, and shoes (Turkish custom) when entering someone's home, and subsequently been murdered, and then transported to where she was found, possibly being thrown over the wall, or being dragged down the steep hillside, which would account for the extent of her injuries.

Also, this might mean the white car the witness saw (the one with a body being removed) actually existed.

 

[ThinkHard]

I have been to Turkey and the carpet people are very aggressive, they invite you in for tea sometimes. I doubt she would have bought a carpet, they are all like 2000-3000 but they will mail to your home. Even a small carpet is alot. Like $200-300, so unless she spent that and the carpet was small she would not be carrying it around..

Inviting you in for tea is Turkish hospitality, not aggressiveness.

 

[Yashim]

Why do you keep thinking it's a random stranger? What would be the motive for hobos to bash her face/head in to unrecognizable form?

We don't know if they were trying to make her face unrecognizable. They were just trying to kill her or perhaps silence her.

LE said that the blows have made her face (almost) unrecognizable. To suggest that her face was hit that hard and repeatedly.

If somebody had wanted to make her unrecognizable, they would have done it so. But since she was reported missing, that would still be a vain attempt. Every female body discovered around that time was first checked to see if it was SS. And the body would be discovered sooner or later in that cave.

Nobody attempts to kill someone when they know that there is a chance that they may be linked to the crime.

And call me biased, but I don't think Turks are capable of committing crimes.

But even when they do, it's hard to direct such rage towards someone they know unless they are psychopaths. And if this was the case, SS would have avoided them.

Therefore, it's a random act of violence committed by a hobo, age 25-30, weight 60 kg, height 1.70 m.