TX - 26 dead, 20 injured in church shooting, Sutherland Springs, 5 Nov 2017 #2

[Cryptic]

Administrative punishments do not include time. NJP is not the same as an administrative punishment.

I guess it just depends on how one uses the term 'administrative'.

Non judicial punishments don't involve juries or judges, and don't need to involve witnesses or probative evidence (though they may well often do include these things). That sounds pretty 'administrative' like to me.

But, yes, the formal term is probably 'Non Judicial Punishment'. In the end, non judicial punishment (administrative by most, but not all definitions of the term) can have a punishment of one year in prison (but that place may not technically be a prison).

 

[Deleted member 158085]

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sbeckett
New Air Force documents: Kelley pleaded guilty to hitting, kicking, and choking his wife, and allegedly threatened her with loaded firearms.
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A friend of mine told me once that men who choke women during domestic violence episodes are statistically more likely to eventually kill them. I need to look into this myself and see if this is the case. Here's one more to add to the studies, if so.

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[bluesneakers]

I cant see this without blowing it up

I do not want to read it tho if there is anything about doggies

is there anything about doggie in this


as my lady love bug is burying her little self under the comforter

Nothing about doggies in that one. Don't know about the earlier pics.

 

[bluesneakers]

A friend of mine told me once that men who choke women during domestic violence episodes are statistically more likely to eventually kill them. I need to look into this myself and see if this is the case. Here's one more to add to the studies, if so.

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This is true, from what I've read as well. The message is "I could kill you." In some states (including Texas) impeding breathing is a felony charge.

 

[CARIIS]

Pls hear me out

This is very hard story

two days ago horrid

yesterday nuance is coming out

Clinician slowly evolving for me

this is a very disturbed young man \\then small town stuff emerges \\

BUT then military stuff evolves

it would be my assumption military stuff would be more mixed group

then as we go he is very disturbed

i can not believe that dudes that he was with were not going to supervisors and telling them CARIIS is in the bathroom screaming at shower walls

he is talking about the devil or whatever

then we have a child skull and god knows what he did to his wife

but she was smart she fled quick

tonight not really sure if I wanna know what he did to her

in civilian life what I know now about the child -- that is not 12 months

we have to recall tho that the first bill passed was to allow mentally ill to get guns

[FONT=&amp]bill earlier this year that rolled back a regulation [/FONT]making it harder for people with mental illnesses[FONT=&amp] to buy firearms


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just saying

 

[neesaki]

My dad called me last night.
He was in the Army and he is mad!
He says the military has "gone soft" and they are a bunch of cowards for not dishonorably discharging him.
He also said he hopes everyone involved in that process is sweating in their boots!

MOO

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Thank you! This has been weighing on my mind all day long, why didn't this violent creep get a Dishonorable Discharge! I simply cannot comprehend it, he should not have been able to legally purchase firearms. There is no excuse for this ****, IMO.

 

[Cryptic]

Thank you! This has been weighing on my mind all day long, why didn't this violent creep get a Dishonorable Discharge! I simply cannot comprehend it, he should not have been able to legally purchase firearms. There is no excuse for this ****, IMO.

He may not have been. If he was convicted judicially in the military system, he could well have been barred from buying weapons. The fact that the FBI was not informed of this only made enforcement more difficult, it did not change the fact that he was legally barred from owning weapons.

 

[kittythehare]

He may not have been. If he was convicted judicially in the military system, he could well have been barred from buying weapons. The fact that the FBI was not informed of this only made enforcement more difficult, it did not change the fact that he was legally barred from owning weapons.

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[neesaki]

The Air Force is saying it didn't follow policy when it didn't alert the federal law agencies about this guy's record, but it sounds like there is also room for some confusion if everyone who's supposed to be following the procedure isn't clear on it. From what it sounds like, there are a few places that could cause confusion:

1. "Dishonorable discharge" versus "bad conduct discharge"
2. The fact that military law isn't the same system of felonies and misdemeanors and same terminology as other federal charges
3. The fact that someone sentenced in the Air Force actually serves time in a Navy prison could have led to confusion over who was supposed to do the reporting

I've thought of all of these possible excuses, but none of them hold any water, the military has been in this business for decades and decades. There is absolutely no excuse for such utter incompetence. It's so unbelievable that they could be so incredibly negligent, allowing this creep to go free to purchase all of these firearms, then go out and murder all of these innocent people. They had to know. They HAD to know, this dude was seriously bad news. I'm totally at a loss, it's so inexcusable and horrendous. They have some serious blood on their hands.

 

[gitana1]

He wouldn’t have done near as much damage armed with a pair of nunchucks. Even a hammer or a hatchet or a tire iron or a chainsaw wouldn’t have done a fraction of the damage caused here. Or in Vegas.

The rest of it, I️ agree with. Wholly.


[emoji202]MOO

Undoubtedly true. But people have killed more at one time in trucks than with guns. The coward who blew up the federal building in Oklahoma killed 164 and injured 680. The monster in Nice killed 86 people and injured 458.

So there can still be mass acts of carnage.

 

[kittythehare]

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[CARIIS]

Thank you! This has been weighing on my mind all day long, why didn't this violent creep get a Dishonorable Discharge! I simply cannot comprehend it, he should not have been able to legally purchase firearms. There is no excuse for this ****, IMO.

My dear

folks that are planning to g slaughter dozens are not worrying if it is legal to get a gun

they would get one no matter what

moo

 

[kittythehare]

Undoubtedly true. But people have killed more at one time in trucks than with guns. The coward who blew up the federal building in Oklahoma killed 164 and injured 680. The monster in Nice killed 86 people and injured 458.

So there can still be mass acts of carnage.

true.. not to mention the ingredients for bombs are available at your local hardware store and anybody can buy them..

 

[gitana1]

https://mobile.twitter.com/loisbeckett/status/927694081161154560/photo/1
sbeckett
New Air Force documents: Kelley pleaded guilty to hitting, kicking, and choking his wife, and allegedly threatened her with loaded firearms.

A real winner, right? Gross.

ETA: When it comes to wives and children, in this country you can still practically get away with murder. No way should this have been just a year. Come on.

Here's one way to prevent some of this stuff - keep these jerks off the street longer. he should have done 10 years for breaking a baby's skull, choking his wife and threatening her with a gun. Come on.

 

[CARIIS]

I've thought of all of these possible excuses, but none of them hold any water, the military has been in this business for decades and decades. There is absolutely no excuse for such utter incompetence. It's so unbelievable that they could be so incredibly negligent, allowing this creep to go free to purchase all of these firearms, then go out and murder all of these innocent people. They had to know. They HAD to know, this dude was seriously bad news. I'm totally at a loss, it's so inexcusable and horrendous. They have some serious blood on their hands.

nothing will happen to anyone just the way i t works these days moo

its horrid

 

[jnTexas]

The Air Force and Colorado justice system failed the American people. This guy never should've passed a background check. Fracturing an infants skull, abusing a spouse and abusing an animal and none of it on his background. DISGUSTING! Someone needs to answer to these families on why this fell through the cracks. Beyond ticked off...

 

[gitana1]

The Air Force and Colorado justice system failed the American people. This guy never should've passed a background check. Fracturing an infants skull, abusing a spouse and abusing an animal and none of it on his background. DISGUSTING! Someone needs to answer to these families on why this fell through the cracks. Beyond ticked off...

And only a year for that. One year.

 

[CARIIS]

A real winner, right? Gross.

ETA: When it comes to wives and children, in this country you can still practically get away with murder. No way should this have been just a year. Come on.

Here's one way to prevent some of this stuff - keep these jerks off the street longer. he should have done 10 years for breaking a baby's skull, choking his wife and threatening her with a gun. Come on.

hold tight guys

we may find out he had inpt placements (invol holds )

moo

 

[neesaki]

He may not have been. If he was convicted judicially in the military system, he could well have been barred from buying weapons. The fact that the FBI was not informed of this only made enforcement more difficult, it did not change the fact that he was legally barred from owning weapons.

Ok thanks, so let me reframe my complaint, why didn't the military go through the proper procedures and inform the FBI ? Is there not a procedure to follow regarding this ? TIA

 

[kittythehare]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...-devin-kelley-domestic-abuse-background-check

[FONT=&quot]The air force Office of the Inspector General and the defense department’s Inspector General will conduct a “complete review” of the Kelley case, Stefanek said, as well as a “comprehensive review” of air force records to determine whether other cases have been reported correctly.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The air force also requested a broader review of criminal record reporting across the defense department. The department regularly reports dishonorable discharges to the national background check system. A 2016 report from the FBI listed 10,956 active dishonorable discharge records that the defense department had submitted to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS).[/FONT]