TX TX - Alan White, 55, seen leaving LA Fitness, found deceased, Dallas, 22 Oct 2020 #4

[Dre]

It's easy if you imagine suicide less as an event you plan for and more as a constant urge that you keep resisting until you just can't anymore.

Extremely well said!

 

[itsrak]

In my experience, no matter what the facts, family is loath to support a suicide cause of death. That doesn’t mean it wasn’t a murder, just that the brother has been alleging a crime since Alan disappeared. The fact that he’s still alleging a crime doesn’t mean he knows any more than he ever did.

Mr. White's remains were found at the wooded terminus of a dead-end road. An ideal dumping spot. That strongly suggests a cause of death other than suicide, IMO. It very much appears his body was dumped, dragged a short distance into woods/brush, and then his vehicle dumped a few minutes later. Had his body been found in the car, next to the car, next to a park bench, slumped against a tree, etc., rather than in an ideal dumping spot, I'd see it differently.

 

[Altklug]

Every one is running out of ideas, then suicide comes into play! It was not in my opinion - he had plans that day not to forget his nice was visiting! Why kill you self in a run down part of town ?
He was lured to an area and ambushed - MOP is it was a hate crime - I said that from the beginning! No car thief is out at 6 am in the morning and in darkness ! You couldn’t even see the car make!
All my ideas and opinions!

 

[rosesfromangels]

Every one is running out of ideas, then suicide comes into play! It was not in my opinion - he had plans that day not to forget his nice was visiting! Why kill you self in a run down part of town ?
He was lured to an area and ambushed - MOP is it was a hate crime - I said that from the beginning! No car thief is out at 6 am in the morning and in darkness ! You couldn’t even see the car make!
All my ideas and opinions!

Agree

amateur opinion and speculation

 

[Bridger]

Doesn’t the phone being found in the car tend to rule out a murder by someone previously communicating with Alan? And wouldn’t the same argument against early morning carjackers apply just as well to early morning hate crime perps, but maybe more-so? I mean, if you can’t see a car, isn’t it even harder to see a driver and discern his sexual preferences?

I think the key to the case is likely in the car’s interior. If it was wiped down, it argues strongly for a murder. If only Alan’s prints were found on the steering wheel, it’s an equally strong indication of suicide. If there are unknown prints as well as Alan’s, the police need to be checking into previous users of the car and dealership employees to rule them out.

 

[annpats]

Every one is running out of ideas, then suicide comes into play!

Well, I think it should always be considered.....even more so when no evidence of murder has yet been released.

Sleuths can't rule any line of possibility out. Not right now where the case stands, at least until more information comes to us that may clarify cause of death.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Doesn’t the phone being found in the car tend to rule out a murder by someone previously communicating with Alan? And wouldn’t the same argument against early morning carjackers apply just as well to early morning hate crime perps, but maybe more-so? I mean, if you can’t see a car, isn’t it even harder to see a driver and discern his sexual preferences?

I think the key to the case is likely in the car’s interior. If it was wiped down, it argues strongly for a murder. If only Alan’s prints were found on the steering wheel, it’s an equally strong indication of suicide. If there are unknown prints as well as Alan’s, the police need to be checking into previous users of the car and dealership employees to rule them out.

If not a random car jacking (and I agree, that would have to be an ambitious thief to be up that early), I will stick to my first and primary speculation that this all started with interaction (or observation) at the gym.

Allegedly, and amateur opinion and speculation only

 

[RaechelK]

I think the early hour might be an advantage for the perps – there’s an element of surprise. When I’m out and about that early in the morning, especially during the work week, my mind is focused on the day ahead. Contrast that to when I’m out say after midnight but before what feels like “morning” - I’m more aware of the darkness, the silence, the surrounding inactivity, the spookiness. I’m a bit more careful, aware of my surroundings and tuned in to signs of potential danger. I also envision the bad guys having been up all night long rather than setting their alarm clocks for an early morning.

I continue to lean towards robbery as the most likely scenario. That particular RT location is near some very wealthy neighborhoods, but I understand that it also is near some unsavory spots. I’m thinking Alan could have been caught off guard, then he refused to cooperate and perhaps created a commotion that the perps needed to quiet.

The scenario where someone follows Alan from the gym also makes sense to me, but I’m unclear about motive.

The suicide scenario really rings false to me unless Alan was already very familiar with that area near Paul Quinn College. I can’t imagine that Alan would randomly drive 15 miles through rush hour traffic and just stumble upon a location with a history of criminal activity.

All my own speculative thoughts. This case really confuses and troubles me.

 

[itsrak]

If not a random car jacking (and I agree, that would have to be an ambitious thief to be up that early), I will stick to my first and primary speculation that this all started with interaction (or observation) at the gym.

Allegedly, and amateur opinion and speculation only

6am might seem early to most, but might be a late night for a bad guy.

 

[Altklug]

Here is my better explanation what I mean by being lured....
We saw Allen looking and perhaps texting on his phone, twice hesitating to drive off in his car- someone who perhaps knew him in his community, under false pretense had something to show or sell to Allen!
He did not take the usual way home and turned off into a side street not known yet!
I understand there is a little park near by probably dark and no surveillance cameras.
No car no money - doesn’t sound like a robbery to me!
These are all my opinions and ideas! Someone please call LE in Dallas and ask questions!

 

[RaechelK]

No car no money - doesn’t sound like a robbery to me!

<modsnip> I don't know if anyone knows for sure what money and valuables Alan might have had with him before he went missing.

 

[fred&edna]

I think Alan's wallet is missing, but I could be mistaken, or maybe LE simply hasn't disclosed that detail one way or the other. I don't know if anyone knows for sure what money and valuables Alan might have had with him before he went missing.

And, if someone removed the SIM card but left the phone... wouldn't that be significant, also?

 

[SimplyCass]

Every one is running out of ideas, then suicide comes into play! It was not in my opinion - he had plans that day not to forget his nice was visiting! Why kill you self in a run down part of town ?
He was lured to an area and ambushed - MOP is it was a hate crime - I said that from the beginning! No car thief is out at 6 am in the morning and in darkness ! You couldn’t even see the car make!
All my ideas and opinions!

If you've been reading up on true crime long enough, you know that someone having plans, seeming happy or well-adjusted, a family member visiting, or the location where the person was found means NOTHING when it comes to suicide. It can be very, very impulsive. Your points don't really debunk/disprove that theory at all. I don't believe it was suicide, either, but for different reasons.

I don't believe it was random either, given that he was driving a loaner car, but IMO not much more can be speculated on until we get solid/credible reporting on the autopsy/cause of death or the state of the car (was it wiped down, were the windows left open, why park it there, why it wasn't stripped for parts).

 

[RaechelK]

And, if someone removed the SIM card but left the phone... wouldn't that be significant, also?

Definitely, but what could a missing SIM card signify? I’m a total tech dummy. I think a missing/disconnected SIM card means that the location of the phone and therefore the car/person cannot be tracked. And private info such as bank information, credit cards, and lots of other personal information is no longer on the device. But the SIM card sometimes can still be read by another device so the information contained thereon could be of use and value to somebody else.

Also, if someone were trying to eliminate evidence of any contacts Alan may have had prior to his disappearance, wouldn’t the owner of those apps likely have that information on their servers, which I’m guessing is a large part of why LE is apparently going through this arduous warrant process?

Is that anywhere close to what you’re thinking or am I completely lost out in the weeds? If the SIM card is missing it does sound like more than just a run of the mill stick-up.

 

[fred&edna]

Definitely, but what could a missing SIM card signify? I’m a total tech dummy. I think a missing/disconnected SIM card means that the location of the phone and therefore the car/person cannot be tracked. And private info such as bank information, credit cards, and lots of other personal information is no longer on the device. But the SIM card sometimes can still be read by another device so the information contained thereon could be of use and value to somebody else.

Also, if someone were trying to eliminate evidence of any contacts Alan may have had prior to his disappearance, wouldn’t the owner of those apps likely have that information on their servers, which I’m guessing is a large part of why LE is apparently going through this arduous warrant process?

Is that anywhere close to what you’re thinking or am I completely lost out in the weeds? If the SIM card is missing it does sound like more than just a run of the mill stick-up.

I'm not tech-savvy. Actually, I just offered it up as something to consider... I like your thinking

ETA: IIRC the VI suggested (early on) it was thought the SIM card could have been removed.

 

[rosesfromangels]

I'm not tech-savvy. Actually, I just offered it up as something to consider... I like your thinking

ETA: IIRC the VI suggested (early on) it was thought the SIM card could have been removed.

If this is factual, we have a more sophisticated thief who knew something specific about AW's assets I speculate.
This adds a whole new dimension to the case if the SIM card speculation is accurate.

My #1 speculation still remains being targeted from the gym.

Allegedly, and amateur opinion and speculation only

 

[diggndeeperstill]

If this is factual, we have a more sophisticated thief who knew something specific about AW's assets I speculate.
This adds a whole new dimension to the case if the SIM card speculation is accurate.

My #1 speculation still remains being targeted from the gym.

Allegedly, and amateur opinion and speculation only

I don't understand how the quote leads you to believe that taking out the sim card relates to a thief who knew something of AW's assets? I see it as a perp, not necessarily a thief, that thinks they know how not to get caught?

 

[Shamrock1]

I’m not good with tech anything. If the SIM card was removed, would recently-taken pictures/videos disappear? I wonder if he witnessed something and started to record it and got caught? (Or perhaps he witnessed something and those people incorrectly assumed he was recording them).

 

[ElementalLaura]

If this is factual, we have a more sophisticated thief who knew something specific about AW's assets I speculate.
This adds a whole new dimension to the case if the SIM card speculation is accurate.

My #1 speculation still remains being targeted from the gym.

Allegedly, and amateur opinion and speculation only

(Bolded by me above)

MOO: This hypothesis works because it fits some of the unique known aspects of Alan’s disappearance: the time of day, Alan’s schedule that morning, and Alan’s last known locations. I continue to speculate that he was targeted as an individual vs. this being a crime of opportunity.

My additional speculation is that the perpetrator(s) (I think one person) held grievances against Alan that intensified over time, which means there was some sort of contact over time, and you get to know the regulars in a gym situation. It has been reported that Alan adhered to a routine that included a daily early morning workout.

IMO, one person can obsess over a relationship with someone and the intensity of that relationship is completely one-sided. I speculate that’s the situation in this case and that Alan may not have had his guard up around this other person and/or thought that if a disagreement had occurred, it was in the past. My opinion only.

Self-harm or a random crime / carjacking can’t be ruled out. Perhaps his family knew of personal struggles that have not been made public. The carjacking theory fit the fact that Alan was driving a luxury vehicle. However, Alan in general lived a publicly affluent lifestyle — luxury vehicle, high value homes, designer bags, likely designer clothing, etc. IMO, this may have added fuel to a grievance, but profit / robbery was not the motive. My opinion only.

I hope the cause and manner of death is released, and, whatever the findings are, I hope his loved ones find peace.

 

[rosesfromangels]

I don't understand how the quote leads you to believe that taking out the sim card relates to a thief who knew something of AW's assets? I see it as a perp, not necessarily a thief, that thinks they know how not to get caught?

It's a complicated answer, and dependent on what type of device he had. For the more sophisticated Perp, the SIM could be a vehicle to potentially hack in to accounts/holdings. Again, this is a very broad statement, and there are a lot of dependencies, and this requires a more capable Perp. *If* this type of scenario was at play (not my first theory), it would suggest knowledge of something the Perp wanted to access...which starts getting in to fringe theory.

Allegedly, and amateur opinion and speculation only