GUILTY TX - Alanna Gallagher, 6, Saginaw, 1 July 2013 - #12

[Backwoods]

Sunday article form Dallas Morning News . Nothing new, but it's a good read.

Residents on quiet Saginaw street troubled that accused killer was a neighbor

bessie, your link doesn't take me to that article. (I did find it, by googling, but thought you might want to fix it in your post.)

ETA: And, grrrr -- the link I found goes to the story but won't let me read it without subscriber access!! Anybody been able to get around that roadblock...if so, how?

 

[Backwoods]

OK, for anybody who gets roadblocked as I did, try this:

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/crim...oubled-that-accused-killer-was-a-neighbor.ece

 

[Dr. Know?]

Wasn't that video above of TH and his mom getting into the red car the day LE came and took DNA? The arrest warrant stated he was at the LE on 7/5 also giving a statement. I think this was all the same day. He had 18 days to really panic but instead, his home was filled with all of that evidence for 22 days! He was either paranoid he was being watched & wasn't really or he actually was being watched. How did he start the fires then without detection? hmmm Maybe it's just procedure before that charge happens. Tests. Always test. Give me a good mocroscope. j/k..

 

[Backwoods]

From bessie's article:

...Exactly what happened to Alanna over the next few hours and where it happened is unclear. ...

... Police believe suffocation is one of the causes of her death. ...

ONE of the causes??

...Her grandmother... cherishes the memories of the little girl who grabbed a microphone and belted out “God is Bigger than the Boogie Man” at her birthday party, or who pretended to be a princess during her last visit to McDaniel’s home.

God bless that little angel spirit and her family.

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/crim...oubled-that-accused-killer-was-a-neighbor.ece

 

[Dr. Know?]

I have to admit, I thought this LE crew knew more than they said. I'm impressed but sad an officer had to go down in the process. TH had a choice and he knew it. He chose to either go by suicide by cop or killing the cops, right. He lost both ways. At least Austin Siggs admitted his horrible crime. Both 17 years old. That's so hard to imagine because I remember being 17. smh

O/T We had a couple in their 80's brutely murdered in town last week. Ended up, it was their grandson & two other people. The other man that was involved had large (1x2") triangle tattoo's above his eyes and below them. Freaky looking. They didn't change the plates that were veteran plates on the grandparents car they stole & were spotted in Nevada. Grandson, lived with them at times...

 

[Filly]

Wasn't that video above of TH and his mom getting into the red car the day LE came and took DNA? The arrest warrant stated he was at the LE on 7/5 also giving a statement. I think this was all the same day. He had 18 days to really panic but instead, his home was filled with all of that evidence for 22 days! He was either paranoid he was being watched & wasn't really or he actually was being watched. How did he start the fires then without detection? hmmm Maybe it's just procedure before that charge happens. Tests. Always test. Give me a good mocroscope. j/k..

Could it be some of that evidence had to do with making methamphetamine? Last night someone believed there was meth smoking going on. Manufacturing? I found a list and the tubing, and gasoline containers and plastic bottles and gloves are all consistent.

Just a guess.

Here's a list


http://claycountysheriffsoffice.com/departments/narcotics.htm

 

[Dr. Know?]

Could it be some of that evidence had to do with making methamphetamine? Last night someone believed there was meth smoking going on. Manufacturing? I found a list and the tubing, and gasoline containers and plastic bottles and gloves are all consistent.

Just a guess.

Here's a list


http://claycountysheriffsoffice.com/departments/narcotics.htm

I asked a mental health care person today what type bottle with tape and tube it would be used for and they said they smoke everything now, bath salts, the other new drugs? and the old known drugs to get a faster better high, so it could be used for any of the new or old drugs.

Meth making is something to look into also. I never looked up the shake and bake method? The lantern oil or torch oil, at least one of the bottles & possibly other stuff on the warrant might be the making of the fire at the Gallaghers. I think the memorial was easier to start. Fuel and flame for that one? Who helped or is there tape of the perp? You'd think. What about a launched flame? hmmm

Gas cans again. Damn Jodi, Casey... I do stand by my find on the use of toilet paper rolls though. Fake vj. Makes you want to just scream somedays and tell them like it is. It wouldn't matter. Heartless kid. I hope the typical bully profile fits and he screams for mom. Sorry mom. jmo

 

[MissUnderstood]

Could the unknown liquid covering her body be something the dirtbag thought would get rid of any DNA??? Not a very bright spark is he??? Reading that arrest warrant made me feel physically ill!!

 

[Dr. Know?]

Could be any type liquid. I think most don't want to think of what it could be.

I'll throw out bathroom cleaner fluid. hth

 

[CHERIE.T]

"Witnesses believe he was with one or two other people."

There you go.

There went my chances of sleeping .....
I'm getting to the point where I don't want to know what was done to her. THIS is so heartbreaking.

 

[CHERIE.T]

From bessie's article:

ONE of the causes??

God bless that little angel spirit and her family.

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/crim...oubled-that-accused-killer-was-a-neighbor.ece

WHERE IT happened is UNCLEAR. :banghead:

 

[greenpalm]

I believe it was referring to her purple panties ...

I haven't made up my kind yet about the clothes, but I'm leaning towards them being in the bundle with her. Since the liquid was all over her body, could it have been something thick? Like hand sanitizer, or a bleach gel I use to apply just a tiny spot to laundry stains. Bleach gel is very viscous and it clings. Skin doesn't stay "wet" with water or thin liquids for very long, although it can have droplets on it. A clinging syrupy type of liquid might stick better. Sometimes semen is described as smelling like bleach.

To me this was not premeditated, because for it to be he would have to know before hand she was going to be where she was to plan it.

For a hypothetical. If two were there getting hi, and she came along they could have bound her concealed her in a trashcan and took her to a vehicle parked on the street out of camera range? and went somewhere else very easily and no one would have seen or suspected anything. Because the fact is no one did..........That surveillance camera may have covered the cars in the parking area, but not the front door or the street nearby or it would have been on tape yes?


The above is nothing more than speculation and assumptions. Nothing based on fact unless otherwise known to be. Just waiting for the LEOs to tell us something.......

RSBM BBM

They don't have video of his house. If they did, they'd have a much clearer idea of exactly what happened. They only know his car didn't leave the street because they have video from each end, and there were only two ways out by vehicle.

He had 35 micro disks,

I wonder what was on them.

It just boggles my mind what a mess this kid is. He is like a one man army of crime

I agree that 35 is a lot. They can be used to store things other than photos, but that's what I commonly use them for. My kids' Nintendo DSis have a slot for them, and they put music on them. They will store any kind of data.

 

[greenpalm]

I was thinking about the photo of THs friend with the gas mask device used for concentrating smoke. Could tyler have used the tubes and the Walmart bags in a similar manner to concentrate smoke and therefore drug Alanna?

They haven't released her tox screen yet.

 

[bessie]

bessie, your link doesn't take me to that article. (I did find it, by googling, but thought you might want to fix it in your post.)

ETA: And, grrrr -- the link I found goes to the story but won't let me read it without subscriber access!! Anybody been able to get around that roadblock...if so, how?

I know, I know. I've corrected it. Sorry for the confusion.

Here is is again.

Residents on quiet Saginaw street troubled that accused killer was a neighbor

 

[greenpalm]

I know, I know. I've corrected it. Sorry for the confusion.

Here is is again.

Residents on quiet Saginaw street troubled that accused killer was a neighbor

Thank you! I was able to get past the requirement for a subscription with this one! Gracias!

Holder was one of dozens of men and women who provided voluntary DNA samples in the weeks following Alanna’s murder. “Anybody who was voluntarily giving it, we were taking it,” said Damon Ing, Saginaw police spokesman.

I wonder if they ran every sample they collected, or simply collected them, until they had reason to test it, like in Tyler's case. It would be time consuming and expensive to test all that DNA for people who weren't suspected. Wouldn't they just store those for possible future use?

Among several outstanding questions for police is whether others were involved in Alanna’s murder. Police have said security video on the north and south ends of Holder’s street did not show his vehicle leaving on the day of Alanna’s death.

 

[Mitsana]

"Witnesses believe he was with one or two other people."

There you go.

I just read an article that contained this line. When I read the post I didn't have the context. Reading the article, it sounds to me like TH was with one or two others after the crime was committed and while he was skittishly pacing around as investigators gathered on Alanna's street.

Here's more context for others to decide:


As neighbors and investigators gathered on Alanna’s street, a teen paced nearby. It was Tyler Holder.

“He was acting to me like a caged animal,” said the neighbor who did not want her name used. “He was acting very skittish.”

Witnesses believe he was with one or two other people.

Residents also told police that “Holder was telling them that the body recovered was that of Alanna Gallagher, which had not been revealed yet,” police documents said.


From: http://www.dallasnews.com/news/crim...oubled-that-accused-killer-was-a-neighbor.ece

I may be reading far too much into this, but this snippet makes it sound like one or two people, potentially his accomplice(s), were hanging around with TH on the street after the crime. Do others read this the same way, or does the "with one or two other people" just refer to the actual crime?

 

[greenpalm]

I just read an article that contained this line. When I read the post I didn't have the context. Reading the article, it sounds to me like TH was with one or two others after the crime was committed and while he was skittishly pacing around as investigators gathered on Alanna's street.

Here's more context for others to decide:


As neighbors and investigators gathered on Alanna’s street, a teen paced nearby. It was Tyler Holder.

“He was acting to me like a caged animal,” said the neighbor who did not want her name used. “He was acting very skittish.”

Witnesses believe he was with one or two other people.

Residents also told police that “Holder was telling them that the body recovered was that of Alanna Gallagher, which had not been revealed yet,” police documents said.


From: http://www.dallasnews.com/news/crim...oubled-that-accused-killer-was-a-neighbor.ece

I may be reading far too much into this, but this snippet makes it sound like one or two people, potentially his accomplice(s), were hanging around with TH on the street after the crime. Do others read this the same way, or does the "with one or two other people" just refer to the actual crime?

I actually read it as simply he was standing nearby and talking one or two other people who were also out looking on the street while he was pacing. I assumed they were just more neighbors and gawkers, so they were "with Tyler" as part of a little knot of neighbors standing around talking about the unfolding events. I didn't even think of them as "with him" to mean he brought friends.

I think everyone came out of their homes and were milling about gossiping, and he was there too, and pacing.

I hope that makes sense. I don't think they were accomplices.

 

[sunsetbeach]

From bessie's article:

ONE of the causes??

God bless that little angel spirit and her family.

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/crim...oubled-that-accused-killer-was-a-neighbor.ece

I caught that too.

 

[SCHMAE]

I have to admit, I thought this LE crew knew more than they said. I'm impressed but sad an officer had to go down in the process. TH had a choice and he knew it. He chose to either go by suicide by cop or killing the cops, right. He lost both ways. At least Austin Siggs admitted his horrible crime. Both 17 years old. That's so hard to imagine because I remember being 17. smh

O/T We had a couple in their 80's brutely murdered in town last week. Ended up, it was their grandson & two other people. The other man that was involved had large (1x2") triangle tattoo's above his eyes and below them. Freaky looking. They didn't change the plates that were veteran plates on the grandparents car they stole & were spotted in Nevada. Grandson, lived with them at times...

I absolutely believe 100% he planned on dying that day, thus the ' im sorry mom' note. He never intended to live to face his consequences, which is all the more reason to thank LE for disarming and subduing him without killing him....... and scarring him for life is only a physical side effect that he totally deserves as well ! :rockon: LE !

 

[sunsetbeach]

Fort Worth defense attorney R*se An*a Sal*nas has been appointed to represent Holder, described by some who knew him as socially awkward and prone to inappropriate and sometimes violent comments. Salinas said on Friday morning that she planned to visit her client later in the day. She declined to comment further and did not return a later message

(from the link Bessie provided )

Would an attorney go see a client if he could not communicate by talking or writing?