GUILTY TX - Alanna Gallagher, 6, Saginaw, 1 July 2013 - #12

[Wondergirl]

RE: the FB acct.

It was after. I was looking at her FB page after the news came on about the shooting. I would say it was early afternoon (2-4) when it went *poof*
I remember thinking ... So your son has been shot, is in critical condition and your on Facebook?? I wonder what was on her Facebook page that she would want to deactivate her account?
All I could see was a few pictures of her, some guns (not her with the guns), a pic of TH taken on a cruise liner to the Carribbean somewhere and a photo that looked like it was taken on a hunting trip. My husband is a hunter so I'm going by experiance there on that one photo.

BBM: Brings back memories of Terri Horman. Mind you, she may have been getting threats against her or nasty remarks, but, the public wasn't finding her through HIS FB account, because she deleted that particular "friend" way before his arrest. It does truly make you wonder why she did that.

JMO

 

[Wondergirl]

Has anyone found any usernames or emails for Holder?

It would be helpful if one of his former friends would enlighten us to what he went by, I am sure there is a prolific amount of crap on the Internet by him.

 

[ArianeEmory]

Has anyone found any usernames or emails for Holder?

It would be helpful if one of his former friends would enlighten us to what he went by, I am sure there is a prolific amount of crap on the Internet by him.

Hmm, I'm actually not sure about that. He seemed to be barely literate. Someone found his twitter at some point, and there wasn't much more on it than was visible on his FB. By this point in the JR investigation people had found TONS of online/social media stuff for Austin Sigg.

But, to answer your question, I think one of his handles is ironicrayne or ironicxrayne.

 

[ahintexas]

It may be to the pesticide used on the strawberries. I have that, can eat most strawberries fine but if its a batch with a certain pesticide i hive up

Or you could have an allergy to Niacin.

 

[Midwestmama78]

That is interesting as it sounds like quite a big competition. So he had success in his life. I think that would be a pretty big deal and his mother encouraged him in it, probably.

I am astounded that she would be a FB friend and she would not be having a meltdown. But if she was a druggie earlier in life, maybe she thought he would straighten out as well?

The amount of drug usage would scare me to death.

bbm

I hadn't thought of this before, but maybe TH's excessive drug use indicates a sort of veiled death wish on his part. Maybe he didn't care whether he himself lived or died.

 

[seguek9]

Has anyone found any usernames or emails for Holder?

It would be helpful if one of his former friends would enlighten us to what he went by, I am sure there is a prolific amount of crap on the Internet by him.

Yes... Multiple YouTube accounts (including comments made on various posted videos, as well as his own channels)... A very simple google search with his name + YouTube should take you there...assuming LE has not taken them down by now (I haven't checked in the past few days).

 

[menmo]

I'm still wondering how TH had his own car at 17 (or younger?). Drugs? Legit job?

I think it's been talked about here that mom filed for child support when TH was around 13? Maybe the child support helped provide him with a car.
Also, as a single working mom (I'm assuming she works) and him having had a job, he'd need a car to get back and forth.

Respectfully SBM and BBM

2. she was on FB, he was on FB.....she never saw his page?

4. from what we've seen of the family history (granted, I'm as skeptical about estranged family interviews as I am one or two neighbors saying something negative that everyone runs with), I can only imagine what we don't know......unlike Gallaghers, I don't see anyone coming to the defense though, either......as someone else (sorry?) pointed out, there doesn't seem to be much info at all - a home environment where secrecy is the rule? Why?

2. I have friends and family on my FB but I also have lists set up so that certain people can't see everything. I'm thinking he was probably to lazy to set up any list though.
4. Yikes, I can see why no one wants to align themselves with either of them right now. TH is has been arrested for Murder and his mom, KH, raised him. I think many people would back away quickly.
Not real friends though that could say something positive but perhaps KH has told her friends to not comment and they are honoring her request.

I do realize we aren't dealing with the Cleavers. Not even close.

MOO

 

[seguek9]

bbm

I hadn't thought of this before, but maybe TH's excessive drug use indicates a sort of veiled death wish on his part. Maybe he didn't care whether he himself lived or died.

It's just pot AFAWK...and possibly (but more than likely based on SW evidence) hydrocodone...there is no proof of anything majorly hard..,moo.

I don't think it was "drugs" or "mom" or His upbringing"....I think it was just "him"...does that make sense? Sometimes there isn't a cookie-cutter answer. Sometimes the perp is just messed up--period. :cow: MOO. IMO.

 

[Karma28]

RE: the FB acct.

It was after. I was looking at her FB page after the news came on about the shooting. I would say it was early afternoon (2-4) when it went *poof*
I remember thinking ... So your son has been shot, is in critical condition and your on Facebook?? I wonder what was on her Facebook page that she would want to deactivate her account?
All I could see was a few pictures of her, some guns (not her with the guns), a pic of TH taken on a cruise liner to the Carribbean somewhere and a photo that looked like it was taken on a hunting trip. My husband is a hunter so I'm going by experiance there on that one photo.

RBBM
Wow! TH took a cruise to the Caribbean? About what age does he look like in that pic SB?
Considering the cruise and the successful competitions, these are positive, very positive things in his life. What the heck went wrong??? MOO

 

[KALI]

I have come to believe, that child killers/rapists, should be executed. As soon as they are proved guilty.
No plea bargains.
Simple. Rape and kill a child-you are toast.
That would be the only thing in my opinion to stop the killing.
It should be a a Federal law.
Rape and kill a child- you are done.
Done.

 

[greenpalm]

He is being discussed on the Texas Hunting Forum, they are saying he is a member of the Texas Fishing Forum.

http://www.texashuntingforum.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/4426919/Re_Tyler_Holder_Capital_Murder

 

[Straitfan]

I think it really helps to know your not done when they hit 13! I know way too many people that simply and blindly trust their kids. At that age as if magically they're now perfectly capable of caring for themselves!

My son has a great dad, I'm a stay at home mom.., 12-13 was a little rough! that testosterone is like poison to their little boy brains ... Everything you taught them goes right out the window! Its like invasion of the body snatchers! Terrible twos all over. It's not just mine. I have a friend that raised 6 of em!!! I called her often! She would remind me... He's like a two year old all over, be consistent.. This too will pass. It did! Thankfully! I think many parents get tired or give up. You can't!
Now he's terrific again it was worth it'

So true! Raised 2 boys, it wasnt easy but if you want your children to have a good life in the future you make sacrafices...it pays off in the end..

 

[greenpalm]

When I first saw pics of the cars in their driveway, I assumed the red car was mom's and TH's car was the green kia. It seemed more sporty for a teen. In the back window there are two bumper stickers. One looks like a fish with a slogan and the other is a Browning archery symbol, both seem appropriate for younger people. But, the browning deer head logo is all pink. They are available in many colors and I don't think a boy would choose the pink version of that sticker to display on his car.

When I was 17 I drove a 1977 Pontiac Catalina because it was a hand me down from Mom. She bought herself a Camaro Z28 almost as soon as I got a driver's license. I was the youngest and she was ready to drive a car that wasn't the mom mobile. So… our cars looked "backward" too. The truth is the most sporty and expensive cars I see are driven by middle aged men, because that's who can afford them, although certainly teenaged boys have sports car posters on their walls.

Can anyone get a screen shot, or at least a link of these two decals on the window? or at least a link so I can grab it myself. Is it in the "sneering" at reporters video? It's unclear to me which car has them, from the way you wrote that I wasn't sure, is it the Kia or the Doge Magnum with the fishing and archery stickers? Thanks!

ETA: found it myself: (Click for larger image)


I think the green one on the left is from Fuzzy's Taco Shop. I don't recognize the pink one. But if you say that's archery I believe you.

Here's a sweatshirt and a sticker with Fuzzy's logos similar to the one on the car:

 

[Dora the Explorer]

So true! Raised 2 boys, it wasnt easy but if you want your children to have a good life in the future you make sacrafices...it pays off in the end..

I actually found age 2 very easy - and have twins. Age 3...yikes. Mine are technically 4 now but were micropreemies so effectively we have a few months of 3 left.

 

[sreshowtime]

(never mind, it was taken care of)

 

[manzana]

Originally Posted by sunsetbeach
RE: the FB acct.

It was after. I was looking at her FB page after the news came on about the shooting. I would say it was early afternoon (2-4) when it went *poof*
I remember thinking ... So your son has been shot, is in critical condition and your on Facebook?? I wonder what was on her Facebook page that she would want to deactivate her account?
All I could see was a few pictures of her, some guns (not her with the guns), a pic of TH taken on a cruise liner to the Carribbean somewhere and a photo that looked like it was taken on a hunting trip. My husband is a hunter so I'm going by experiance there on that one photo.

Are you sure?, I saw the page too, just glanced at it but thought the boat pic was from Houston.



Never knew an AR-15 was considered a hunting rifle, that was her brother.

 

[carole]

RE: the FB acct.

It was after. I was looking at her FB page after the news came on about the shooting. I would say it was early afternoon (2-4) when it went *poof*
I remember thinking ... So your son has been shot, is in critical condition and your on Facebook?? I wonder what was on her Facebook page that she would want to deactivate her account?
All I could see was a few pictures of her, some guns (not her with the guns), a pic of TH taken on a cruise liner to the Carribbean somewhere and a photo that looked like it was taken on a hunting trip. My husband is a hunter so I'm going by experiance there on that one photo.

What was Tyler's mother supposed to be doing?? LE would not let her see her son and they would not let her stay at the hospital.

She may have closed her FB account because she didn't want to see any kind of messages, be they caring or nasty, from her FB friends. She couldn't go home because there was a search going on. Maybe she was just trying to keep herself from going completely crazy.

 

[kkdj]

I keep wondering..... if he had an accomplice......why the have charged him with her actual murder...
Is it taped?
Bothers me to even ask!

 

[Brightbird]

I keep wondering..... if he had an accomplice......why the have charged him with her actual murder...
Is it taped?
Bothers me to even ask!

My uneducated guess is that because he was very much involved in luring/abducting her, he raped her, and god knows what else, that is enough to warrant the charge even if an accomplice technically did whatever act caused her to die. If there was an accomplice throughout the whole ordeal, I would expect both to be charged with her murder. I don't think it would matter who actually put the bags over her head (so sorry baby girl), they are both responsible. But I would love to hear from someone with legal knowledge.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

My uneducated guess is that because he was very much involved in luring/abducting her, he raped her, and god knows what else, that is enough to warrant the charge even if an accomplice technically did whatever act caused her to die. If there was an accomplice throughout the whole ordeal, I would expect both to be charged with her murder. I don't think it would matter who actually put the bags over her head (so sorry baby girl), they are both responsible. But I would love to hear from someone with legal knowledge.

I think it would matter. The person who suffocated Alanna would charged with 1st degree murder. The other person would be charged with something else, depending on what he did and what exactly happened. But I don't think they could charge them both with 1st degree of murder unless they had proof that they both actually murdered Alanna. LE would need to determine who did what.