GUILTY TX - Alanna Gallagher, 6, Saginaw, 1 July 2013 - #12

[theyamqueen]

yes, I understand that and so do people that have something to hide.
Just not sure it's necessary for the mom to lawyer up, to hire one for him yes, understandable.

I feel like I'd probably want one, too. I mean... look at the way Alanna's parents were targeted. I know it's normal to suspect the parents, but it was vicious. Now that her son is the killer, people are going to turn on her (already have). I think it's smart for anyone who has a search warrant for their property to have a lawyer. Lawyers do more than defend people in court, they also help sway public opinion (or try to). They are damage control. It's good sense.

 

[x_files]

BBM


I just find that highly unlikely. Someone would have remembered that I think.

Everything else I agree with but the transportation of the body is still baffling. Everyone in the community knew TH yet do not remember him that day. He stands out Greenish-faded blond dreads, hulking body and menacing stare.
I think a car was used, but whose?
On the Saginaw News fb page two witnesses remember a car and/or a truck roll the tarp out at the stop sign. But how reliable are the witnesses?
I could imagine they cannot remember the car or the license plate but would remember if a large teen with greenish dread threw a tarp off the side of the road.
But stranger things have happened. Waiting for the updates from LE.

 

[Jo in Calif]

It reads that they took him in to the police station on the 2nd when they were searching the G's house.

Bottom of page 3 to page 4.

http://media.star-telegram.com/smedia/2013/07/24/15/45/1apbCo.So.58.pdf

Doesn't that say the 5th of July?

 

[Midwestmama78]

BBM


I just find that highly unlikely. Someone would have remembered that I think.

I wonder if he had stolen keys to other neighbors vehicles. Perhaps a neighbor on vacation? He could have simply disposed of that key somewhere after.
jmo

Do you mean stole keys and used their vehicle to dispose of Alanna? (Sorry sweetie)

 

[theyamqueen]

BBM


I just find that highly unlikely. Someone would have remembered that I think.

Agreed. If he was the neighborhood "weirdo" or "trouble maker" and he was wheeling something in a tarp around in a wheelbarrow for a mile through residential streets, someone would have reported that to police, would have gone to the media with it. It was nice day in Teas, during summer vacation in a reportedly "busy" neighborhood. His car didn't leave the house. If he did it on his own and on foot, someone would have seen him.

 

[kkdj]

I cant help but think TH must have molested other children before. Going from never having touched a child inappropriately to kidnap rape and murder in a very small period of time just doesnt seem like a beginning crime.
Plus he had children's underwear. I'll bet they find child on his computer.
Jmo

 

[human]

She probably had a record and knew that wouldn't look good, even if she wasn't involved. I think everyone knows the seriousness of being convicted in Texas. Especially if she's been in the system before.

Did someone find a record?

 

[Jo in Calif]

I feel like I'd probably want one, too. I mean... look at the way Alanna's parents were targeted. I know it's normal to suspect the parents, but it was vicious. Now that her son is the killer, people are going to turn on her (already have). I think it's smart for anyone who has a search warrant for their property to have a lawyer. Lawyers do more than defend people in court, they also help sway public opinion (or try to). They are damage control. It's good sense.

They had the warrants the day her son was shot. From the sounds of things she already had him retained or she retained him the day her son was shot. I don't believe she knew before that day that about a SW.

 

[Midwestmama78]

Doesn't that say the 5th of July?

TH was brought to the police station on July 2. That's when LE saw the garden hose pic on TH's phone. The DNA swab was taken on July 5 at TH's home.

 

[BeginnersLuck]

Teen suspect in Saginaw girl’s slaying expected to make “slow recovery”

Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/07/29/5038936/arlington-officer-shot-during.html#storylink=cpy

Police spokesman Damon Ing said Tyler Holder continued to receive breathing assistance after a tracheotomy and cannot speak to investigators. Though Holder is expected to recover from his injury, Ing said it is going to be a “slow recovery.”

*snip


Geisen said he is continuing to pay back child support for his son but after hearing of Holder’s charges, is no longer interested in meeting him.

*snip



Ing said investigators are continuing to comb through evidence seized from Holder’s home and car. He said police have found nothing pointing to an accomplice in the slaying although the investigation is continuing.

*snip



Costello said he and his wife “were not too thrilled” on discovering that his name and address were on a search warrant inventory of items that police seized from Holder’s home. As a result, Costello said, some have mistakenly assumed he was involved.

“When I first found out, I looked it up on the Internet,” he said. “I guess they have talk forums and people are running all these theories [about me] on forums. That’s a pretty unsettling feeling.”

*snip

BBM (starting with Costello): This is why I said that TH was most likely stealing from vehicles when this conversation came up. It would fit the MO of a teen that is known to cause trouble in the neighborhood. Makes me wonder where he got the kids underwear and other items. I highly doubt they came from a clothes line.

I am a stickler about keeping my car door locked at all times and my house doors locked at all times. I have experienced theft from both. It doesn't matter where you live, theft from unlocked vehicles and homes is rampant everywhere.

 

[Midwestmama78]

I cant help but think TH must have molested other children before. Going from never having touched a child inappropriately to kidnap rape and murder in a very small period of time just doesnt seem like a beginning crime.
Plus he had children's underwear. I'll bet they find child on his computer.
Jmo

bbm I think you're right. Criminals of this type usually start small and escalate, not just jump in at the deep end with both feet.

 

[kkdj]

Do you mean stole keys and used their vehicle to dispose of Alanna? (Sorry sweetie)

Yes.
It makes more sense to me than anybody being willing to help him dispose of the body.
imo

 

[human]

I feel like I'd probably want one, too. I mean... look at the way Alanna's parents were targeted. I know it's normal to suspect the parents, but it was vicious. Now that her son is the killer, people are going to turn on her (already have). I think it's smart for anyone who has a search warrant for their property to have a lawyer. Lawyers do more than defend people in court, they also help sway public opinion (or try to). They are damage control. It's good sense.

The parents are ALWAYS suspect. ALWAYS. There is nothing new with this.

If there is nothing true, they make up stuff that is not true.

It is interesting. Some people want it to be a stranger, Some want it to be the parents.
To me, parents are preferable because that usually means only a family victim.

Outside of family means there could be lots and lots of victims.

Neither is a good choice.

But the G family is nothing new as far as being looked at unfavorably

 

[Jo in Calif]

TH was brought to the police station on July 2. That's when LE saw the garden hose pic on TH's phone. The DNA swab was taken on July 5 at TH's home.

Well I must be a tard because I'm sure reading the 5th is when they met with him at his home and got the DNA swab


Sorry I am a tard, that is what you just said. I didn't think he was home on the 2nd when they knocked on his door. For some reason I thought it was the 11th of July that they had him at the station and looked at his phone.

 

[Karma28]

Excellent point! There has really been some iffy reporting in this case......

Catching up and way behind....

I still think it was probably when police cars started arriving at the G's and neighbors were coming outside and TH was telling everyone AG's body had been found...... before any of that info was widely known.
Nothing to back it up. Just MOO.

 

[Midwestmama78]

Well I must be a tard because I'm sure reading the 5th is when they met with him at his home and got the DNA swab

Yes, that's what I said.

 

[greenpalm]

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[human]

BBM (starting with Costello): This is why I said that TH was most likely stealing from vehicles when this conversation came up. It would fit the MO of a teen that is known to cause trouble in the neighborhood. Makes me wonder where he got the kids underwear and other items. I highly doubt they came from a clothes line.

I am a stickler about keeping my car door locked at all times and my house doors locked at all times. I have experienced theft from both. It doesn't matter where you live, theft from unlocked vehicles and homes is rampant everywhere.

I keep nothing in my car except maybe an empty water bottle and food crumbs.

I would rather have them go in my car and take what they want than smash my car windows.

My trunk is loaded with goodies such as a blanket, collapsible chair, cold weather safety box and umbrella, i guess some weirdo may want any of those items. And they may use them in a crime. My fingerprints are on file because of visas.

So, bummer for me

 

[burbqueen]

ok my question is: If he was the known neighborhood trouble maker and under age didnt anyone go to his mom and complain? I know I would. Some 15-16 year old punk breaking into cars, slashing tires, and carrying pipes and no one talked to the mother??

Besides estranged family where is the mothers co-workers? friends? bf's? Yeah ghost indeed.

I am now convinced that TH did not have an accomplice. I was skeptical about this, but I think we just need TH to give his statement and it will all become clear on how he moved the body.

 

[Jo in Calif]

Yes, that's what I said.

Just edited my post.