GUILTY TX - Alanna Gallagher, 6, Saginaw, 1 July 2013 - #3

[ArianeEmory]

If he was young and unexperienced. It would be helpful if any of the stores on that block had surveillance cameras viewed before they were erased, a common error in police work.

It was reported Friday that LE is reviewing video from some nearby homes that have security cameras.

 

[kkdj]

That is something that will scare me even more. Was the perp listening to a scanner so s/he/they knew if she was reported missing? Who would be so bold to place her there with the sun still shining and not knowing if she was reported missing?

Ahhh. But she wasnt reported missing as of yet....

 

[ArianeEmory]

Ahhh. But she wasnt reported missing as of yet....

I think that's what the OP meant--that maybe the perp was aware LE was not officially looking for her, and thus was more brazen about dumping her.

 

[human]

Not really, because you'd have to know things like the speed the truck was moving (do we know it came to a complete stop and then sped off?), and how sharp the turn was if the truck turned, and also I think how far into the bed of the truck Alanna was to begin with. And I was thinking about this...those smooth bedliners vs. an old, rusty truck bed...some surfaces would be much slipperier (is this even a word?) than others.
I've been thinking about the tarp too. I am thinking the tarp could have been more to conceal Alanna's body during transport than anything else. Open beds of trucks are visible to anyone in a taller vehicle.
I will be really surprised if Alanna's body was left in the street on purpose. This is a huge risk to take, in broad daylight on a residential road. You would have to be crazy to do this. But then again, anyone who kills a small child like this isn't all together in the first place.

People have said the speed limit was 20. That is really slow. So, anyone going much faster would stand out. That is perhaps why the truck stood out.

I do not think we could get a totally accurate idea, but I know that if they can figure out how to make engines work, someone can do the calculations on the probabilities where something would land based on different variables.

I am just going by looking, and it looks too close to me. Slowing down. What happens to the body? Speeding up again. What happens?

I do not think it could be a turn because it seems the body would be out more into the intersection.

I am sure LE has the calculations to figure out what happened.

When there is a car accident, they figure it all out , so I think it can be done.

To me, it would indicate accident or on purpose as well as the direction the vehicle would have to travel. Straight vs.,turn

 

[Ladylub]

Ahhh. But she wasnt reported missing as of yet....

Right so either the perp listened to the scanner or they live close enough to have known when it hit the fan that they could not find her. We have all been guessing that maybe the perp needed to get her out fast because someone coming home. Maybe perp realized the time. I'm wondering what would be the normal time for her parents to call her in for the night or to eat.

 

[kkdj]

He was watching her be found since he co
uldn't stand the suspense of waiting to find out what happened if he hid her body. Doesn't it make sense he would be young (brain studies show our youth have a tough time with delayed gratification) and nearby?

I can go with this thinking, but not definitely.
I can think of several different theories, a watcher being one, a stalker of her would fit in that equation too.
but how does one simply leave a bundle at curbside?
Gardners could, carpenters could.
Just trying to grip who would think this looked normal.

 

[Filly]

I also tend to think if I had been aware something nondescript, seemingly tarped up trash or foliage or whatever, fell out of my truck bed, I would stop and put it back up on my truck. Leaving it seems by far more suspicious.
actually, im kinda going more in the direction she was placed there. But why????

To have someone with DNA in your blood line find the body so as to make contact? I know it sounds crazy, but?

Revenge? Anger?

How long were those young men right in that area with the skateboards before actually touching the tarp?

 

[Filly]

I can go with this thinking, but not definitely.
I can think of several different theories, a watcher being one, a stalker of her would fit in that equation too.
but how does one simply leave a bundle at curbside?
Gardners could, carpenters could.
Just trying to grip who would think this looked normal.

Somebody that has lived there in the past could. They'd know what they could and couldn't do.

Maybe the murderer lived close to there and was planning on putting Alanna's body in his house and got waysided by something?

 

[epiphany]

Information given to police has focused on a red truck that authorities described as a “vehicle of interest,” but investigators have also received tips on other information related to the killing of Alanna Gallagher.

http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/07/05/4982905/police-still-receiving-tips-in.html#storylink=cpy

 

[SapphireSteel]

If you listen to the 911 call the speaker clearly says something has been "dropped".

He's not even sure it's a real body but his phraseology is clear - it is something tossed rather than placed.

:cow:

 

[kkdj]

I think that's what the OP meant--that maybe the perp was aware LE was not officially looking for her, and thus was more brazen about dumping her.

Oh I understand. Thats my suggestive point. The perp knew it had not been called in.

 

[SapphireSteel]

SB, who lives a few houses away from the Gallagher family in this community north of Fort Worth, said she remembers seeing Alanna often wander around the neighborhood on her own, though Alanna would come by the B home.

"She was just a smart little girl who loved (classical) piano music," B said.

http://www.elpasotimes.com/texas/ci_23590239/agents-work-reconstruct-girls-last-hours

Again, it appears that Alanna engaged in conversations with the adults in the neighborhood. They "know" her.

The neighbors (tips) + video + evidence from body and "bundle"...

I have faith there will be an arrest in this case.

ITA.

I can almost smell him.

 

[Flutterby80]

People have said the speed limit was 20. That is really slow. So, anyone going much faster would stand out. That is perhaps why the truck stood out.

I do not think we could get a totally accurate idea, but I know that if they can figure out how to make engines work, someone can do the calculations on the probabilities where something would land based on different variables.

I am just going by looking, and it looks too close to me. Slowing down. What happens to the body? Speeding up again. What happens?

I do not think it could be a turn because it seems the body would be out more into the intersection.

I am sure LE has the calculations to figure out what happened.

When there is a car accident, they figure it all out , so I think it can be done.

To me, it would indicate accident or on purpose as well as the direction the vehicle would have to travel. Straight vs.,turn

LE is experienced in recreating these types of things. I thought someone was asking a WS member to figure it out based on physics. I just think we don't have enough input to get it right. I'm sure police have more than we do.

 

[kkdj]

I think that's what the OP meant--that maybe the perp was aware LE was not officially looking for her, and thus was more brazen about dumping her.

Oh I understand. Thats my suggestive point. The perp knew it had not been called in.

 

[Magdalyn]

People have said the speed limit was 20. That is really slow. So, anyone going much faster would stand out. That is perhaps why the truck stood out.

I do not think we could get a totally accurate idea, but I know that if they can figure out how to make engines work, someone can do the calculations on the probabilities where something would land based on different variables.

I am just going by looking, and it looks too close to me. Slowing down. What happens to the body? Speeding up again. What happens?

I do not think it could be a turn because it seems the body would be out more into the intersection.

I am sure LE has the calculations to figure out what happened.

When there is a car accident, they figure it all out , so I think it can be done.

To me, it would indicate accident or on purpose as well as the direction the vehicle would have to travel. Straight vs.,turn

A few of the early articles I've read made it sound as if the boys noticed the tarp 'in the middle of the intersection', though I'm not sure it's been directly quoted. I think it is possible the boys picked up the tarp, realized it was heavier than expected, and moved themselves and her out of the intersection to examine the contents.

Also, not a physics person, but I have seen something come out/fall out of someone's open trunk from the simple act of accelerating minimally after a complete stop.

A few months ago the I noted the car in front of me at a stop light had a full sized shopping cart (I don't know why!) half in/half out of their trunk, no bungee cord holding the cart in/holding the trunk closed. As soon a the light turned green, they accelerated normally, not at a high rate of speed, and the cart tumble out of the trunk (over the lip of the trunk.) They drove on, and I...had to get out of my car and move the cart, lol. Anyway, I think she could have tumbled out of a faulty tailgate/no tailgate, simply from accelerating from a stop.

Also, if I were trying to get rid of a body, and noticed it fell out, I would probably drive off too. While the bundle might look innocent enough, I would know it was not, I'd be panicky and paranoid, and I wouldn't want people to be seeing me running around my truck, see my clothes, my face, my hair color, seeing me place the bundle BACK in my truck. I would drive off and hope no one saw it actually fall out. Maybe I just passed by the bundle, swerved to avoid it, Plausible deniability. If I had stopped to put her back in my truck, and the girl is discovered missing, people would be more likely to remember seeing someone throwing a bundle in their truck bed, and not only would they remember what the truck looked like, but they'd be able to describe me too. :twocents: and MOO. :seeya:

ETA: I must add that I would later be carping my pants after I realized the wealth of evidence I left in that bundle, that I should have picked it back up, but I think my knee jerk reaction would be to drive off.

 

[floridamomma]

If you listen to the 911 call the speaker clearly says something has been "dropped".

He's not even sure it's a real body but his phraseology is clear - it is something tossed rather than placed.

:cow:

i didn't interpret it that way. didn't he say "dropped it off"?

eta... i listened again, he said, "someone dropped it off".

 

[TGIRecovered]

Oh I understand. Thats my suggestive point. The perp knew it had not been called in.

I hear you, and I agree!:twocents:

 

[human]

LE is experienced in recreating these types of things. I thought someone was asking a WS member to figure it out based on physics. I just think we don't have enough input to get it right. I'm sure police have more than we do.

My son is an engineer so I know these things can be figured in a flash. But, he already thinks I should be commited so I don't know if I wamt to add to the list of reasons,

I was so hoping that someone on here could do it simce we have so little info to go on.

I am gearing up to ask him.

 

[Filly]

My son is an engineer so I know these things can be figured in a flash. But, he already thinks I should be commited so I don't know if I wamt to add to the list of reasons,

I was so hoping that someone on here could do it simce we have so little info to go on.

I am gearing up to ask him.

time,if he 302's you I'll get you out. I'm so sorry I laughed at this.

Certainly ask away. You should tell him to log on.He'd have us all commited.

 

[epiphany]

Does Alanna's body released for burial rather quickly tell us anything?

I think it's a good sign...thoughts?