GUILTY TX - Alanna Gallagher, 6, Saginaw, 1 July 2013 - #3

[human]

Still haven't asked my son about a body falling out of the truck.

I have another question.

LE did not release the name of the child pending ID by dental records.

Is this common when parents can make the ID?

Do you think there is a reason they could not ID her by looking at her?

 

[kkdj]

Still haven't asked my son about a body falling out of the truck.

I have another question.

LE did not release the name of the child pending ID by dental records.

Is this common when parents can make the ID?

Do you think there is a reason they could not ID her by looking at her?

I never heard that. That would be interesting, considering the time frame. Do you have a link?

 

[Threeplus1]

Still haven't asked my son about a body falling out of the truck.

I have another question.

LE did not release the name of the child pending ID by dental records.

Is this common when parents can make the ID?

Do you think there is a reason they could not ID her by looking at her?

No idea if its common, but I would think that having a parent ID a murdered child would be pretty traumatic. I would think LE would have compassion for the family...especially if they have reason to believe the family is not a suspect (which LE has publicly stated).

Again, no idea what is "normal" but that would be brutal, IMO.

And what if it had turned out to NOT be their child?:facepalm:

 

[jjenny]

Dental records are much more scientific than having a family member to recognize someone.

 

[cluciano63]

In Dylan's case, LE showed the father the few bones they found, apparently and took him to the recovery site a few times. Of course, in that case it may be a pressuring tactic and it certainly was not for ID purposes. I can't imagine showing parents the body of their child, when murdered, is used to ID very often.

 

[Magdalyn]

Dental records are much more scientific than having a family member to recognize someone.

Yes, and I think dental records are often used as a secondary confirmation/validation to a visual ID.

 

[SuperTmo]

No idea if its common, but I would think that having a parent ID a murdered child would be pretty traumatic. I would think LE would have compassion for the family...especially if they have reason to believe the family is not a suspect (which LE has publicly stated).

Again, no idea what is "normal" but that would be brutal, IMO.

And what if it had turned out to NOT be their child?:facepalm:

BBM. The roller coaster of emotions in that moment of realizing that it's not my child, after preparing myself that it WAS going to be my child...might actually stop my heart.

 

[kkdj]

I keep trying to post. So frustrating.
anyway, we have 3 parents, 3 siblings, a body dropped in a neighborhood who knows when, wrapped and bound, discovered approx 7:15 p.m., and that very same child called in as missing approx 9:00 p.m.
We have LE saying its isolated and for people to not be in fear.
imo, LE has it figured out. Imo Its kinda obvious. Jmo
I also imo think there is at least one perp and at least one accomplice for the cover up. Jmo.

 

[kkdj]

I keep trying to post. So frustrating.
anyway, we have 3 parents, 3 siblings, a body dropped in a neighborhood who knows when, wrapped and bound, discovered approx 7:15 p.m., and that very same child called in as missing approx 9:00 p.m.
We have LE saying its isolated and for people to not be in fear.
imo, LE has it figured out. Imo Its kinda obvious. Jmo
I also imo think there is at least one perp and at least one accomplice for the cover up. Jmo.

 

[carbuff]

Are you saying that the defense attorney could request that the child's body be exhumed? Are there any examples where that has happened? I feel like the parents of the victim would have to give permission...

The defense has the right to perform their own independent testing of any evidence the prosecution plans to use against them. That's why bodies are sometimes held for a long time. If they're releasing the body already, it most likely means either there was no forensic evidence there, or they were able to take and preserve samples. Probably other considerations I haven't thought of, as well.

 

[momtective]

I would think it would be very difficult to bind a persons hands and feet with tape, place a Walmart bag over their head, place them in a trash bag and roll them up in a tarp without leaving a single fingerprint, body hair, or droplet of sweat...not to mention cinching the belt. I think LE has this and they're just tying up all the loose ends and waiting on DNA recovered from her body to insure a conviction. I expect we will see an arrest before the end of the week. In the meantime I'm still cruisin' Saginaw on Bing and google maps, mainly because there's nothing else I can do other than read here at WS. :crazy:
I so want this monster found!

 

[jjenny]

ITA. There has to be evidence. This body was recovered quickly, so whatever DNA, fingerprints, etc were there, there was not time for the evidence to disappear.

 

[GingerzMomma]

Hi, new to forum. Live in FW burb not far from Saginaw. This happened night before we left for 4OJ vaca & has been consuming me all week. First, condolences, thoughts, prayers to family, friends, and community.
Next, I've been all over the place w/ respect to suspicions (as it appears we all have), and want to say:
1. Re: time between 5pm last sighting by family & 9'ish missing person report.....I grew up in 70's & as long as I checked in and said where I was going, enjoyed a pretty long leash. Of course, not so much at kindergarten age, but....we don't know where parents thought she was, other than "in & out" (as was I). I can see where if there were regular reports, you were making dinner after work, she didn't show for dinner you'd start looking, calling...sounds like father got involved when he got home & flagged LE that was then canvassing area. Like the time of death, time reported missing is likely more administrative formality in this case than recording of actual events.....
2. Not saying that this is serial, Opal's killer, etc....but: there are times when these perps lie dormant, often after close calls. Some even escalate by taunting, as placement of body (if intentional) implies. BTK took a long sabbatical before essentially reterrorizing his community & flipping LE the bird again.
3. LE has, at best completely figured this out and is simply playing chess now (God, I pray......), or at worst is completely mishandling this considering the contradictory statements they've made.
As for me, I'll be keeping my babies in eyesight. Praying for justice for Alanna......

 

[Linda7NJ]

ITA. There has to be evidence. This body was recovered quickly, so whatever DNA, fingerprints, etc were there, there was not time for the evidence to disappear.

I agree. This wasn't a crime committed by a criminal mastermind. IMO

 

[jjenny]

I agree. This wasn't a crime committed by a criminal mastermind. IMO

LE still has to find someone to compare the evidence to. Unless that person has a criminal record and their DNA/fingerprints are in the database. But this was apparently sloppy (body on the street), so might be a first time offender.
I am not so sure they got any suspects.

 

[Linda7NJ]

LE still has to find someone to compare the evidence to. Unless that person has a criminal record and their DNA/fingerprints are in the database. But this was apparently sloppy (body on the street), so might be a first time offender.
I am not so sure they got any suspects.

I agree.

 

[SuperTmo]

LE still has to find someone to compare the evidence to. Unless that person has a criminal record and their DNA/fingerprints are in the database. But this was apparently sloppy (body on the street), so might be a first time offender.
I am not so sure they got any suspects.

I think I saw on one of those crime drama shows (so, completely 100% accurate, I know!!! :floorlaugh that they took DNA samples from everyone in the victim's home in order to eliminate their DNA from the child's body. Is that something they actually do/did do? Do we know if they took DNA from her family members?

 

[jjenny]

I think I saw on one of those crime drama shows (so, completely 100% accurate, I know!!! :floorlaugh that they took DNA samples from everyone in the victim's home in order to eliminate their DNA from the child's body. Is that something they actually do/did do? Do we know if they took DNA from her family members?

I presume they did.

 

[matou]

Welcome GingerzMomma!

:welcome5:

 

[pferrin]

I think I saw on one of those crime drama shows (so, completely 100% accurate, I know!!! :floorlaugh that they took DNA samples from everyone in the victim's home in order to eliminate their DNA from the child's body. Is that something they actually do/did do? Do we know if they took DNA from her family members?

I am certain they took full profile from family and members of the household. This would be imperative for identification and evidence. They have to be ruled out before LE can begin other work. Imo