GUILTY TX - Alanna Gallagher, 6, Saginaw, 1 July 2013 - #6

[cluciano63]

AND:

The days when families 'protect their own' need to be OVER. In my humble opinion MORE HARM has been committed by families AND WIVES IN PARTICULAR who know, KNOW that a family member is sick and due to shame or whatever misguided @#$$%^ they have, they decide to sweep it under the rug and not seek help. Tell no one.

I want to see laws that say if you know you have a family member capable of this and they commit a crime then you face the law as well.


Just last week I had a friend approach me because the in-laws were INSISTING on a sleep over with grandpa and grandma but this friend of mine KNEW that grandpa had been a molester in the past.

WHAT THE :stormingmad: WHHYYYYYYYYYY do families CATER to these sick individuals????? Why do the wives continue to look the other way?

They just named a family member the POI in the case of the little girl who disappeared from her house this weekend, in Louisiana.

 

[Linda7NJ]

AND:

The days when families 'protect their own' need to be OVER. In my humble opinion MORE HARM has been committed by families AND WIVES IN PARTICULAR who know, KNOW that a family member is sick and due to shame or whatever misguided @#$$%^ they have, they decide to sweep it under the rug and not seek help. Tell no one.

I want to see laws that say if you know you have a family member capable of this and they commit a crime then you face the law as well.


Just last week I had a friend approach me because the in-laws were INSISTING on a sleep over with grandpa and grandma but this friend of mine KNEW that grandpa had been a molester in the past.

WHAT THE :stormingmad: WHHYYYYYYYYYY do families CATER to these sick individuals????? Why do the wives continue to look the other way?

IMO because they were probably molested themselves by a family member that was supposed to love and protect them. To survive in the world without treatment or protection, they tell themselves it wasn't so bad. They never learned how to be the good parent they deserved.

I've seen that too many times to count.

 

[human]

As far as a stranger vs family, look at all of the brown haired girls on here that are victims with no perp arrested.

Israel Keyes was a father. And he sure was busy all over the place with no one the wiser.

BTK was a father. Many killers were family men. And then there was the adorable West family in England who killed their own children as well as others. The kidnappers of Jaycee and the ones who kept the girl in a box under their bed. These are just a few families that I can think of that took other people 's children.

So, family has different meanings, say to the West's, for instance.

 

[gitana1]

I was speaking of it in context, that is, as a "science" by which one can ascertain innocence or guilt.

I used to "read" tarot cards...Cold readings are definitely a skilled art form, I too was quite good at it. I totally agree with you. I just do not want it to be used to determine guilt or innocence. A good detective or interviewer uses their instincts in much the same way. While I feel it's a very useful tool, like the polygraph, it's just one of many other tools.

Ok, I got you guys. And I agree. Body language can be interpreted differently depending on who is doing the interpretation. It's meaning can vary depending on context, cultural background, psychology of the subject. It sure shouldn't be treated as an exact science that can determine guilt or innocence!

Interesting about depersonalization, calling the victim "it". In Alanna's case during the 911 call, the caller referred to Alanna's body as "it". I found that odd, IMO. I don't think he knew how to handle the info.

I think it is totally normal to call a body "it.". Especially a young man who just found a little girl. He would want to distance himself from the traumatic reality.

I have to ask, and this is in general

I would much rather see the killer be a family member , rather than some unknown whack job.

Why do people hope that it is an unknown whack job over a family member?

Because if it was family, then Alanna likely never knew peace. She never had a refuge. The last thing she knew wasn't the possibility that mommy or daddy might save her but that the person who should have loved her the most, treasured her and protected her the hardest, instead committed the ultimate betrayal, looked into her beautiful little eyes and snuffed out her light. And if it was family, it makes it very likely that she suffered much pain and fear and terror during much of her little life, before the final horror.

I'm so glad you brought this up.

I earned myself a little 'time out' on ws a while back for bringing 'innocent' people into the conversation.

I would like to add that there was an 18 year old there that was involved in finding her body.

He made a statement something to the effect: "I realized it was a girl and then I dropped to my knees and started crying." (paraphrasing)


I just thought it was an odd statement.



I have teenage boys, I also have been around many people who have been in shock and often times their reaction is not to instantly drop to their knees and start crying.

~

:twocents:


Maybe the reason no one witnessed a vehicle dump her body there was because no vehicle did dump her body there.

I have dropped to my knees and cried upon seeing a dead body (my grandpa). I think it's totally normal for a sweet, young man to react that way to such a horrific and shocking sight.

 

[menmo]

AND:

The days when families 'protect their own' need to be OVER. In my humble opinion MORE HARM has been committed by families AND WIVES IN PARTICULAR who know, KNOW that a family member is sick and due to shame or whatever misguided @#$$%^ they have, they decide to sweep it under the rug and not seek help. Tell no one.

I want to see laws that say if you know you have a family member capable of this and they commit a crime then you face the law as well.


Just last week I had a friend approach me because the in-laws were INSISTING on a sleep over with grandpa and grandma but this friend of mine KNEW that grandpa had been a molester in the past.

WHAT THE :stormingmad: WHHYYYYYYYYYY do families CATER to these sick individuals????? Why do the wives continue to look the other way?

I married into a family of weirdos and thank God I got out of it. Incest, molestation where the family forbid me to talk to anyone about it. What did I do? I ran to my mom and dad and told them everything. Multiple occasions by different family members had been reported and I know kids were taken out of the home, and it was talked about, but again threatened to never let it go outside of the family. It was a "family matter" they said. It never happened to me or my kid (that I know of or ever was told about, thank God) but I know very well it could have. I had no idea who these people really were when I married into that family. You would never know by looking at them but they are so odd! All of his siblings are successful and look very clean with exception to one who's chosen a hard life. You really just never know about people until you live with them or have them in your closest circle.

MOO

 

[blue22]

I have to ask, and this is in general

I would much rather see the killer be a family member , rather than some unknown whack job.

Why do people hope that it is an unknown whack job over a family member?

This is not something I usually say outloud, but I hope it's family...in one way. I live in the area and have a small child. This preys on my worst fears, as a parent. For little little Alanna, the murderer being family, is something I almost don't want. Thinking someone she loved and trusted could have done this, truly breaks my heart.

I don't know enough to think it's a stranger or a family member. So little information.

 

[human]

As far as suffering at the hands of the parents always, I am not sure Andrea Yates' children always suffered.

Perhaps there are other examples. Maybe a parent descends more and more into an abyss, and the child has not always suffered.

 

[Ladylub]

On the flip side, why do people hope it was the family?

SBM Ill be honest I'm torn.

For murdered children's sake I hope it was someone other then a person they loved and trusted.

For everyone else's safety I know this sounds horrible but I hope it was someone close to the murdered child b/c that means others are more then likely safe.

 

[IBsleuthin]

Ok, I got you guys. And I agree. Body language can be interpreted differently depending on who is doing the interpretation. It's meaning can vary depending on context, cultural background, psychology of the subject. It sure shouldn't be treated as an exact science that can determine guilt or innocence!



I think it is totally normal to call a body "it.". Especially a young man who just found a little girl. He would want to distance himself from the traumatic reality.




Because if it was family, then Alanna likely never knew peace. She never had a refuge. The last thing she knew wasn't the possibility that mommy or daddy might save her but that the person who should have loved her the most, treasured her and protected her the hardest, instead committed the ultimate betrayal, looked into her beautiful little eyes and snuffed out her light. And if it was family, it makes it very likely that she suffered much pain and fear and terror during much of her little life, before the final horror.



I have dropped to my knees and cried upon seeing a dead body (my grandpa). I think it's totally normal for a sweet, young man to react that way to such a horrific and shocking sight.

BBM

As an attorney you understand then how two people can look at the same circumstance and have a very different opinion.


I use to work in the ER and seeing people in shock react by dropping to their knees was not something I saw as a 'normal' or 'common' reaction.

I can bet you dollars to donuts someone else will come on and post that their experience was different.


I've also stood to the side while two extraordinary cardiologists looked at the same EKG and argued about what rhythm a heart was in.

It's a complex mix of culture, experience, mood, mental health, perspective, and transference.

 

[gitana1]

So at what point are people going to start thinking that LE doesn't have a suspect or doesn't have enough evidence to charge him? If this case is still unsolved in six months, are people then going to start thinking there's a predator on the loose in their community?

I don't know. I think they start out fearing a stranger but without more crimes, people tend to relax.

As far as suffering at the hands of the parents always, I am not sure Andrea Yates' children always suffered.

Perhaps there are other examples. Maybe a parent descends more and more into an abyss, and the child has not always suffered.

Well that's true. But when a kid is found mostly naked, wrapped in a tarp and discarded on the road, to me it's less likely she suffered an Andrea Yates type scenario if family was responsible.

 

[IBsleuthin]

I married into a family of weirdos and thank God I got out of it. Incest, molestation where the family forbid me to talk to anyone about it. What did I do? I ran to my mom and dad and told them everything. Multiple occasions by different family members had been reported and I know kids were taken out of the home, and it was talked about, but again threatened to never let it go outside of the family. It was a "family matter" they said. It never happened to me or my kid (that I know of or ever was told about, thank God) but I know very well it could have. I had no idea who these people really were when I married into that family. You would never know by looking at them but they are so odd! All of his siblings are successful and look very clean with exception to one who's chosen a hard life. You really just never know about people until you live with them or have them in your closest circle.

MOO

I'm so very glad you were strong enough and had support enough to get out and away.


Whenever I tell people about self-defense I tell them to think of a crocodile pond. The water looks calm and serene. All is well seemingly from an outside perspective.

The crocodiles you know, they work very hard at maintaining this appearance of serene calm. They ACTIVELY create this outward appearance.


Just underneath the water is a whole different picture. Unfortunately we don't get to see that picture until we are in the water.


You did VERY WELL to get out.

 

[IBsleuthin]

I don't know. I think they start out fearing a stranger but without more crimes, people tend to relax.



Well that's true. But when a kid is found mostly naked, wrapped in a tarp and discarded on the road, to me it's less likely she suffered an Andrea Yates type scenario if family was responsible.

BBM

Agreed. Thinking again to the crocodile pond. A big croc jumps up and snaps a gazelle! The birds fly! The zebras bray and run, the whole crowd is upset, the monkeys throw rocks!!!

Then...well, enough time goes by and someone needs a drink of water and they all relax and pretend that the crocodiles aren't in the water.



~Until it happens again.



~Probably some dang zebra mom saying..."Oh for Heaven's sake you have more chance of being struck by lightning than getting snatched by a crock, I let my kids go down there and drink all the time...THEY SHOULD be able to go down there and drink for crying out loud."

 

[fred&edna]

I don't mean to detract from Alanna, but since the discussion here was about abuse within families, I'm sharing this case which was recently posted on WS:

Grandmother charged w/strangling 8 yr old grandaughter - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

 

[Linda7NJ]

I don't mean to detract from Alanna, but since the discussion here was about abuse within families, I'm sharing this case which was recently posted on WS:

Grandmother charged w/strangling 8 yr old grandaughter - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

I just read that... How can people like that even be considered human?

 

[IBsleuthin]

They just named a family member the POI in the case of the little girl who disappeared from her house this weekend, in Louisiana.

Thank you for this.

I was unaware of this situation.

Perhaps if we could get some honest answers from the types of people who seem to be magnetically drawn to this particular age group, we could then go about figuring out what to do to PREVENT IT.

 

[fred&edna]

I just read that... How can people like that even be considered human?

It's so sickeningly awful, I feel rather bad just sharing it.

 

[wfgodot]

To be human means certain grim things. One must not mistake the pathway we travel for the destination.

Perhaps someday the phrase "to be human" will shine with goodness. We travel to reach that goal.

 

[Linda7NJ]

To be human means certain grim things. One must not mistake the pathway we travel for the destination.

Perhaps someday the phrase "to be human" will shine with goodness. We travel to reach that goal.

IMO humans will never survive as a species long enough to evolve to such goodness.

 

[kkdj]

I don't mean to detract from Alanna, but since the discussion here was about abuse within families, I'm sharing this case which was recently posted on WS:

Grandmother charged w/strangling 8 yr old grandaughter - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

This is sickening. What the heck is wrong with some people!?! That poor little girl!

 

[briTCU]

So at what point are people going to start thinking that LE doesn't have a suspect or doesn't have enough evidence to charge him? If this case is still unsolved in six months, are people then going to start thinking there's a predator on the loose in their community?

I for one am already thinking it. It's scary enough around here now with kids, for the most part, staying indoors (or maybe they're in their backyards). It's a terrifying thought that all too soon they'll be back to roaming the streets unsupervised. Not my children, but they were never allowed to be out unsupervised anyway. I just hope LE will find whoever did this before the monster(s) has/have the opportunity to hurt another living being.