GUILTY TX - Alanna Gallagher, 6, Saginaw, 1 July 2013 - #6

[jjenny]

Are her siblings back with the parents? Are the parents back in the home?

Nothing has been reported as far as I can tell.

 

[human]

This is a very short read about a Dr. who was just arrested for some murders, the first one in 2008 and the last one in May.

Sounds like LE knew plenty but not enough to arrest for some reason

http://abcnews.go.com/US/doctor-arr...temybb3.com/showthread.php?tid=1865&pid=46992

 

[jjenny]

This is a very short read about a Dr. who was just arrested for some murders, the first one in 2008 and the last one in May.

Sounds like LE knew plenty but not enough to arrest for some reason

http://abcnews.go.com/US/doctor-arr...temybb3.com/showthread.php?tid=1865&pid=46992

It sounds like they didn't know anything about the suspect in 2008 murders until the murders in May. Only then they connected the dots.

 

[carbuff]

I don't know......there are other cases where arrests have come pretty quickly.....one example is the little girl in Louisiana just this week. I would think that if they had someone in mind and DNA (which is most likely back by now) supported it, we'd have an arrest by now. If there's enough for charges, why wait? They can always add more (charges) later as evidence mounts..... In the event there is more than one perp, it could lead to the others, etc......

I just don't understand why they would wait if they had enough to support charges against someone at that point?

Personally I don't think it's DNA they're waiting on. As you say, that's almost certainly back by now even though they had a lot of it to test and compare. I think it's information about the cause of death, or of fibers or other chemicals that will tell them where the crime was committed, or something like that.

Some jurisdictions don't like to make an arrest until the prosecutor thinks there's enough evidence for a conviction, especially if the suspect isn't considered a flight risk. One of our local DA's has said that arresting someone then adding charges creates an impression in the jurors' minds that LE rushed to judgement and then manufactured evidence to support their preconceived notion.

I'm also not sure Saginaw police are calling all the shots. Seems like they could be waiting for info etc. from the FBI/Texas Rangers/etc. If they think there's a ring, for instance, they might be waiting until arrests can be made in a different jurisdiction before they tip their hand by arresting somebody here.

 

[kkdj]

I agree. If the trash is picked up in the morning, that makes it unlikely he intended her to be picked up.

Does anybody local know whether it's common for tarps etc. to be sitting on the street after the trash pickup has been made? Like do the garbagemen pull them off the waiting trash and leave them behind?

Even though with a standardly early pick up time, could the schedule have changed that day/week due to it being a holiday week? It quite often does in my neighborhood.

 

[Linda7NJ]

This is a very short read about a Dr. who was just arrested for some murders, the first one in 2008 and the last one in May.

Sounds like LE knew plenty but not enough to arrest for some reason

http://abcnews.go.com/US/doctor-arr...temybb3.com/showthread.php?tid=1865&pid=46992

Wow ! Four revenge murders... Even an 11 year old boy!

 

[Linda7NJ]

Personally I don't think it's DNA they're waiting on. As you say, that's almost certainly back by now even though they had a lot of it to test and compare. I think it's information about the cause of death, or of fibers or other chemicals that will tell them where the crime was committed, or something like that.

Some jurisdictions don't like to make an arrest until the prosecutor thinks there's enough evidence for a conviction, especially if the suspect isn't considered a flight risk. One of our local DA's has said that arresting someone then adding charges creates an impression in the jurors' minds that LE rushed to judgement and then manufactured evidence to support their preconceived notion.

I'm also not sure Saginaw police are calling all the shots. Seems like they could be waiting for info etc. from the FBI/Texas Rangers/etc. If they think there's a ring, for instance, they might be waiting until arrests can be made in a different jurisdiction before they tip their hand by arresting somebody here.

I would hope child murder trumps all.
I agree about the child angle. That was a whole lotta computers to go through and I know the FBI is really backed up in that area.

 

[carbuff]

This is a very short read about a Dr. who was just arrested for some murders, the first one in 2008 and the last one in May.

Sounds like LE knew plenty but not enough to arrest for some reason

http://abcnews.go.com/US/doctor-arr...temybb3.com/showthread.php?tid=1865&pid=46992

Egad. That is just freakin' bizarre!

 

[jjenny]

Even though with a standardly early pick up time, could the schedule have changed that day/week due to it being a holiday week? It quite often does in my neighborhood.

I don't live in that area, but around here, schedule doesn't change. If there is a holiday, trash pick up just doesn't show up. Then it shows up on the next scheduled day.

 

[GingerzMomma]

This is a very short read about a Dr. who was just arrested for some murders, the first one in 2008 and the last one in May.

Sounds like LE knew plenty but not enough to arrest for some reason

http://abcnews.go.com/US/doctor-arr...temybb3.com/showthread.php?tid=1865&pid=46992

A pathology resident.....here's more info on it from a blog written by a pathologist:

http://pathologyblawg.com/

 

[greenpalm]

I feel so bad for you! I was wondering if you slept with your kids right next to during these times. I know I would!
I think that LE knows who the perp is. Can you just imagine them having made a public announcement that neighborhood is in no danger, if something more were to happen, the liability? So even though nobody has been arrested for this murder, they much have someone they feel sure about. And they will keep him/her/them under surveillance.
However, much as I believe what I am saying, I would sleep next to my kids until someone is actually arrested.
Jmo

I sure hope you're right about LE knowing who did this and where they are. And don't worry about scaring me any more than I already am. I'm not sure it's possible. I am writing this in my bedroom with my kids in bed between me and my husband. Yes, I am over-the-top.

I completely get that. The only time in my life that I slept in my parents' bedroom was the summer my classmate and acquaintance/friend Danielle was murdered a few blocks from my home. I was 14.
http://www.dmagazine.com/Home/1990/01/01/technology_Vs_trimboli.aspx

There was quite a list on here of children who were killed by a parent and left by the road.

I don't know where the list is, but it is on this forum about Alanna somewhere

Yes, many parents leaving children's bodies by the road, but none of them were bound, correct? I think there's an important distinction there. Children who are murdered by a parent may be left by the road so they'll be found quickly. Camden Hughes was covered with his blankie. Newborns who are murdered moments after birth feel like completely different circumstances.

If we're looking for what is unique in this case, it's the combination of being bound and naked, AND being left by the road, but not "displayed," like Samantha Runion, or the Oakland County Child Murders, many of whom were "neatly laid out in the snow" in clear view of the road. They were redressed, some of them had their clothes pressed, they had their skateboards/backpacks etc with them. One victim was in view of a police station, IIRC.

 

[Magdalyn]

Even though with a standardly early pick up time, could the schedule have changed that day/week due to it being a holiday week? It quite often does in my neighborhood.

I believe two local posters on this thread have mentioned that they both happened to drive through the neighborhood on the day Alanna was abducted/found and that they noticed that garbage had not been picked up before 1:30-2:30 pm?

I'll go back and check.

So a possibility is ... the perp might have noticed garbage was running late, or the perp knows garbage comes in the pm for this street?

ETA: Yes, back toward the end of thread #5 poster texashello post #975 says:

Thank you for the welcome! Trash had not been picked up at 1:20 when I was on Bridal Trail on the day of the murder. Alanna's street of Babbling Brook is off of Bridal Trail. There was a very large amount of trash on Bridal Trail at 1:20 pm and it was a trash day.

I don't really know what to think of the red truck. I think it's probably related somehow but I really don't know how.

Another note, the airport that some have mentioned in Saginaw hasn't been active for many years.

There is a hanger and some other buildings there that have been abandoned for many years.

 

[jjenny]

I believe two local posters on this thread have mentioned that they both happened to drive through the neighborhood on the day Alanna was abducted/found and that they noticed that garbage had not been picked up before 1:30-2:30 pm?

I'll go back and check.

So a possibility is ... the perp might have noticed garbage was running late, or the perp knows garbage come in the pm for this street?

Garbage isn't supposed to be left in the middle of the street. Also, by the time she wen missing, it was most likely picked up already. Considering it has been reported that she went missing sometime after 4-5 pm.

 

[Ladylub]

True. Although, I believe this killer likes to brag to himself or show off & watch. Maybe his first real kill of a human being. Youngish. I think they wanted to see and hear the news.

If so, glad the news has stopped. (never did I think I'd ever say that)

jmo

If this perp wants to see his/her horrible crime I wonder if they will feel the need to try to do it again in hopes that the next crime hits the news and stays there. Saginaw may be on high alert this creeper may try in a different area near by though. ( that is why I do not post what city I live in. I do not want to flag them over here saying hey we have kids running free all day till at least 9pm.

Yes, I live three streets from where she was found and Monday is our trash day. I am fairly new to town and am not positive when they do pick up. Thursday is our next trash day so I will be looking out for them and let you know when they come.

Check the passing schedule on Monday. Where I live they pass Wed and Sat. Wed is also recycling day so the recycling truck passes around 10-11 and then the trash pick up is 2-3. On Sat they pick up trash between 830-930. So the times might be different on the second pick up day.

For me it's a tough call without knowing the cause/manner of death and whether she was sexually violated. I have differing thoughts on it depending. I still wonder about her clothes.

Since they have not come out to the public about her clothing I wonder if maybe her clothes were wrapped up with her. Not on her but maybe under her. I have been hoping they would come out with the COD. I think that will help put my mind at somewhat ease. What kind of horrible thing could have happened to Alanna? Slightly off topic but the presser for Ahlittia North was so informative. I think that helped the public know just what they were dealing with. Saginaw still has no clue.

Or she was heavier than the maximum? Or they didn't think the tarp was a disposable container?

Locals in Saginaw do they leave notes when they do not pick it up and why? We have had that happened before. We placed a bunch of good trash out hoping the guys who drove around looking for the good trash would come by before the garbage truck. Garbage truck was earlier then them that day. Got a note stating items x,y,z where not hauled away b/c they did not met the required size/weight.

 

[greenpalm]

Something was preventing the perp(s) from burying her. Lives with others? Rents?

Burying a body is REALLY hard work. It takes a long time and a great deal of strength, stamina effort and endurance.

I buried a cat once, on a warm (not hot) spring day here in Texas, and I was astonished at how much work it was. It took me half the day to dig a hole big enough for a cat.

I recall that in the case of Skylar Neese, the girls who killed her planned to bury her, but were unable to do it, and so covered her in branches instead.

The difficulty and time, and lengthy privacy required to dig a human grave is why murder victims are seldom buried. Rather, they are dumped.

 

[Magdalyn]

Also, IMO, worth bringing forward is texashello's first post on thread #5, post #961:

Hello everybody. I just joined. I live very close to where Alanna lived. I drove through her neighborhood on the day she died. Lots of people cut through that neighborhood.

A few observations:

I drove on Bridal Trail right past her street about 1:20 on the day she died. There was so much trash along the street that at first I thought someone might have been kicked out of a house, but as I continued along Bridal trail most houses had large amounts of trash out. Saginaw doesn't require that trash be put in bins, so it's in bags, boxes, just all over the place.

There is construction very close to her house. A lot of People going from Saginaw to Fort Worth or vice versa cut through the way I did that day, but the neighborhood has complained and they are finally connecting the two parts of Boaz.

They are building houses off of Old Decatur, and I've heard that the Saginaw City Council required them to connect the two parts of Boaz as a condition of building the houses.

There are lots of workers there building roads to prepare to build houses, hopefully LE is looking at those people.

Someone in an earlier thread mentioned ice cream trucks. My neighborhood about two miles away frequently has an ice cream truck going up and down the streets.

I have also seen a small red truck with at least one man in it digging through trash on trash days, someone else mentioned that.

Another observation regarding trucks. With the high price of metal in our area there have been lots of thefts of truck back gates. The bad guy might have had his stolen.

This was way too close to home and I hurt so much for everybody that loved this precious child. May she rest in peace.
Thanks

 

[ArianeEmory]

Yes, I know, I followed the case. I was responding to a comment about whether other killers had left their victim in a more or less public place to be found. I mentioned Jessica's killer because he was an example. I wasn't speculating on the reasons or what either Alanna's killer or Jessica's hoped to accomplish.

Sorry, I quoted the wrong message. (If anything, I was substantiating your points.)

 

[kkdj]

I don't live in that area, but around here, schedule doesn't change. If there is a holiday, trash pick up just doesn't show up. Then it shows up on the next scheduled day.

Trash pick up does not occur here either on a holiday. That is why that week schedule changes for the trash company. But we still get our trash picked up weekly.

 

[jjenny]

Trash pick up does not occur here either on a holiday. That is why that week schedule changes for the trash company. But we still get our trash picked up weekly.

We don't get it picked at all if trash day comes on a holiday day. Then they just show up on the next scheduled day.
Anyhow, July 1st was a regular day. Shouldn't have been any changes on that day.

 

[Magdalyn]

Garbage isn't supposed to be left in the middle of the street. Also, by the time she wen missing, it was most likely picked up already. Considering it has been reported that she went missing sometime after 4-5 pm.

I think there's still confusion as to where exactly she was left (middle of intersection vs closer to the side vs curbside). That, and we don't know when exactly the garbage was finally picked up that day. We've had the rare nearly dinner time pick up ourselves and ours is supposed to be morning.

Also, what if the perp noticed the garbage thing and made it has plan before he abducted her, then, in his haste and rush afterword, failed to notice that other's garbage had been picked up?

Just throwin' spaghetti! :seeya: